c_hawkbob wrote:As compared to his opponent's corruption?
No, it doesn't even move the needle.
curmudgeon wrote:Twitter, Facebook and You Tube selectively censoring free speech. Anyone bothered by this in the least?
curmudgeon wrote:Twitter, Facebook and You Tube selectively censoring free speech. Anyone bothered by this in the least?
c_hawkbob wrote:If they (Facebook, Twitter, You Tube) were government entities I'd be bothered, but as they are private enterprises they have the right to allow and disallow as they see fit. Furthermore I appreciate the effort to minimise disinformation.
c_hawkbob wrote:If they (Facebook, Twitter, You Tube) were government entities I'd be bothered, but as they are private enterprises they have the right to allow and disallow as they see fit. Furthermore I appreciate the effort to minimise disinformation.
RiverDog wrote:I agree, there should be no government regulation, and like you, I appreciate their attempting to minimize disinformation. But as members of the Fifth Estate and considering that they have a considerable impact on society, they should be taking it upon themselves to be as objective and non bias as possible in their presentation of information.
c_hawkbob wrote:And as far as I can tell just from my own personal experience they seem to be doing so. I've checked my timeline to see a couple shares disallowed due to unsubstantiated information myself. Can't say how often it happens to people posting from the right, but I do know for certain they are at least doing something about misinformation from the left as well.from
Aseahawkfan wrote:Trump has invited the attacks on himself. Now he is trying launch his payback. It will likely work with his followers and be ignored by his opponents.
Aseahawkfan wrote:No. I don't care. I view all politicians and wealthy people as participating in the same game. This is nothing more than payback. Same as Trump as a Russian Spy was part of the payback and political game for what he did to Obama with birtherism. You want to compete in high level American or world politics, be prepared for these games. Someone will find and exploit some chink in your armor and blow it up to extreme levels. It's the nature of the political gamesmanship. There are very few rules to this game other than win.
Trump has invited the attacks on himself. Now he is trying launch his payback. It will likely work with his followers and be ignored by his opponents.
Right now I know people who are willing to overlook everything Trump does to vote and support him. I know people willing to ignore everything wrong with Biden to defeat Trump because they hate Trump. I know almost no one that thinks Biden is a great candidate. This entire election is Trump vs. Trump Hate. I barely see it as Trump vs. BIden. Biden just happens to be the guy people can vote for to get rid of Trump. I very rarely hear praise of Biden. Even his election message in Washington State is a fear-mongering message that we are fighting for the soul of our nation and other such crap like we haven't survived far worse than a jackass like Trump. The Democrats couldn't field anyone that could beat Trump on their merits, so they are completely relying on the Hate Trump campaign to win.
So no, this won't move the needle at all. This isn't an election of two candidates against each other on their merits. This is a single candidate election. There is Trump vs. the Trump Haters. Trump vs. Himself. Biden is just a proxy for all those that hate Trump.
It's why I'm not worried about the Republican Party at all. This is going to be a massive reset for them. Even if the Democrats win, the Republicans can find a candidate to beat Biden if he runs for a second term. Since Biden is unlikely to run for a second term, it's basically going to be a reset for both parties where you'll either see a very beatable Kamala Harris against a vetted Republican or two completely new candidates.
A Trump loss is a political reset for both parties. So both the Dems and Republicans are basically in a no lose situation right now. If Trump wins, the Dems need a decent candidate to take the White House back in 4 years. If Trump loses, the Republicans get a political reset and both will likely start at 0 next election.
Hawktawk wrote:Biden 2020. No protest vote this time.
Hawktawk wrote:And i disagree with you about the republican party. It doesn't exist anymore already. The remnants will tear asunder. It will take longer than watergate to repair this damage.Plenty of prominent R Senators are growing a pair now that its too late to primary them. Guys like Ben Sasse. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... angelicals
But I wont support them in 2024. Romney lost me with his vote to confirm ACB with 20 million people having already voted, likely 75% for Biden although his vote is to preserve his viability in 2024. I see no scenario i would ever support an R for president in the near future.I think an entire generation of voters will be permanently repulsed by this Trump apostasy.
Hawktawk wrote:As for Biden corruption please Curmudgeon. Biden has a really great late son Beau and a man skank sleazeball son Hunter. Lets talk about Donnie Jr, Eric and Svetlana Trumps real wife globetrotting around lining their pockets with secret service protection. No we dont care about Hunter Biden.
The Biden/Ukraine scandal is old news. It was a huge conflict of interest that Sleepy Joe should have taken care of when he was VP by insisting that his son not have agreed to sit on the board of directors Burisma, but there's no smoking gun that it ever extended beyond an appearance of impropriety.
Hawktawk wrote:I'd have completely agreed with this a few months ago, maybe even a few weeks ago. But not any more. I wont marginalize Joe Biden like that from here on out. The dueling town halls last night were a stark reminder of the clear choice between competency, dignity and decorum vs anger, chaos, mask denying, spewing QAnoon theories about UBL being killed by seals being a hoax perpetrated by Joe Biden. These things were spewed by an obviously mentally ill man holding the nuclear codes.
A candidate who puts forth plans for things like the economy, tax code, the pandemic vs a guy who has been there 4 years and has no plan, literally no platform for his second term except making America super duper greater than great.
Biden 2020. No protest vote this time. The trump party needs a silver bullet in the heart staring with the feckless amoral orange baboon.
And i disagree with you about the republican party. It doesn't exist anymore already. The remnants will tear asunder. It will take longer than watergate to repair this damage.Plenty of prominent R Senators are growing a pair now that its too late to primary them. Guys like Ben Sasse. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... angelicals
But I wont support them in 2024. Romney lost me with his vote to confirm ACB with 20 million people having already voted, likely 75% for Biden although his vote is to preserve his viability in 2024. I see no scenario i would ever support an R for president in the near future.I think an entire generation of voters will be permanently repulsed by this Trump apostasy.
As for Biden corruption please Curmudgeon. Biden has a really great late son Beau and a man skank sleazeball son Hunter. Lets talk about Donnie Jr, Eric and Svetlana Trumps real wife globetrotting around lining their pockets with secret service protection. No we dont care about Hunter Biden.
I-5 wrote:I agree 100% with you on this, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised that Trump's and his crew are determined to make this an issue, even if warned that Giuliani is being used as a tool by Russia. It shows that they really don't have anything else on Joe, otherwise they would have spent much more energy and time on it that they are using instead to chase the Hunter Biden story as far as they can take it. If I were them, I would have tried to tie Joe to Obama and tear him down that way by how they spin the accomplishments of the last administration (or lack of it), but I guess they don't believe that's a strong enough argument to make.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Why do you think McConnel is going to lose Riverdog? What poll are you looking at?
I heard Lindsay is close, but pretty far from a guarantee loss.
So not sure what you're looking at there.
c_hawkbob wrote:Kentucky voting is already breaking records, they're expecting a million or more early votes, and from what I gather most of those early votes are Dems, although there are no exit polls so who actually knows. The point is, record turnout always bodes well for Democrats.
I don't think polls here can be trusted. There are more registered Democrats in KY than Republicans, but it's a very red state, a friend (that grew up here) told me they register Dem so they can vote in the primary for the weaker candidate. Deception is the norm here.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Trump looks like he's going to lose, but the moron pulled it out last time. So far the bombs they're trying to drop on Biden aren't working. The mail in voting changes a lot. But supposedly Republican voter registrations are surging. We shall see. My buddy is voting for the first time in 20 years for Trump. He thinks the left is more dangerous for the nation, so he's voting for Trump. Me and my other buddy are likely going independent. One other buddy voted for Trump 2016 and loves him now, thinks myself and my other buddy are wasting our votes not voting for a major party. No idea why people think that as voting should be a representation of the manner you think the nation should be run, not some kind of battle between two evils. I will never buy into this garbage that either of these candidates are going to destroy our Democracy or ruin nation. That's just BS. America been here for 240 plus years and Trump or Biden are going to take us down? I don't think so. I won't buy into that garbage.
I-5 wrote:As much as I would love see McConnell finally out in Kentucky, I have a hard time seeing it, even with the high turnout. I sure hope I’m wrong.
I watched a video of people with black lung in Kentucky that are alive today for no other reason than they have Obamacare, otherwise the treatment at $6k a month is downright impossible to afford. But guess who they voted for president in 2016? Yup. They probably will vote for Trump again, even if it goes against their very lives. That’s how ingrained the party is. It’s completely insane...and sad. The only reason one can give is that Trump promised to ‘repeal and replace’, but does any serious person think Trump or the republican party is actually going to do that if they haven’t done so already? I would have made that bet during his first term, and if he gets a second term, I’d still be willing to bet that all he ever will do if allowed to is to kill it, and not replace it, especially for those with pre-existing conditions. It’s simply not part of the platform, no matter how much Trump says so.
https://youtu.be/3etsGxdaBUM
I-5 wrote:As much as I would love see McConnell finally out in Kentucky, I have a hard time seeing it, even with the high turnout. I sure hope I’m wrong.
I-5 wrote:I watched a video of people with black lung in Kentucky that are alive today for no other reason than they have Obamacare, otherwise the treatment at $6k a month is downright impossible to afford. But guess who they voted for president in 2016? Yup. They probably will vote for Trump again, even if it goes against their very lives. That’s how ingrained the party is. It’s completely insane...and sad. The only reason one can give is that Trump promised to ‘repeal and replace’, but does any serious person think Trump or the republican party is actually going to do that if they haven’t done so already? I would have made that bet during his first term, and if he gets a second term, I’d still be willing to bet that all he ever will do if allowed to is to kill it, and not replace it, especially for those with pre-existing conditions. It’s simply not part of the platform, no matter how much Trump says so.
https://youtu.be/3etsGxdaBUM
I don't like the idea of moving the goal posts on people without a viable alternative. I don't want to be the person that pulls the carpet out from underneath some poor sucker.
When I listen to the Democrats talk, it feels like they are so dependent on the far left for votes that all they seem to be wanting to sell America is handout programs, social engineering, and ideas of race and identity that seem to be leading to more division and strife.
I-5 wrote:
I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. You might fashion yourself an independent, but your obvious disdain for anyone left of center makes you look pretty far to the right of Riv, who seems to be more of a moderate based on multiple posts. I'm not saying you're far right because I don't know you, but the more you talk about dems, that's how you sound. I may not like most of the republican party right now, but I have plenty of republican friends who I respect, even the ones who might vote for Trump. I don't villify them for their perspective. And If the dems win in Nov 3, it's moderates and the 'suburban moms' that are going to take them there....not the far left. Not even close.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
It will be 4 years if Biden wins until you are proven wrong. Maybe we'll both be on here. We shall see.
You remember what I wrote. The Republican Party won't experience even a bump in the road from Trump. What you don't seem to get is that Trump was elected because of how insane the Democratic left is. Once super crazy Trump is out of office, the insanity of the Socialist, borderline Communist moderate to extreme left will be on full display again. A moderate Republican will be welcomed back into office by America.
You have been so focused on Trump hate, you have completely ignored how the left has moved so far left with defund the police, tearing down statues, and the like that they have huge problems with their platform that will show up like sore thumbs once Dumb as Dirt out of office.
Remember what I wrote here. We'll see what happens in four years.
Your personal viewpoint is not at all representative of even close to a majority of rational human beings. You weren't rational when you were a Republican. You aren't rational now that you are against them. You don't understand politics. All you understand is your personal opinion which you seem to think affects the price of tea in China.
I don't like the idea of moving the goal posts on people without a viable alternative. I don't want to be the person that pulls the carpet out from underneath some poor sucker.
I-5 wrote:I don't like the idea either...but that is exactly the republican plan. They say 'repeal and replace' but are you willing to bet your life that they'll replace? They show no track record of doing such a thing. And based on the video I watched, it's only due to Obamacare some of these people are still breathing, so I don't think Medicaid covers to that extent.
Hawktawk wrote:My personal viewpoint regarding this POTUS is shared by a majority of americans.
Hawktawk wrote:Biden bypassed on Warren, Abrams etc for a candidate with experience in law enforcement.
Hawktawk wrote:No rational person supports riots in the streets but I dont remember year long riots under Obama or GW or Clinton.
Aseahawkfan wrote:So we can't trust the polls when a Republican is winning, but we can when a Democrat is winning? Ok.
I personally doubt McConnell will lose. He's not as associated with Trump as people on here seem to think. I heard his office doesn't even associate much with Trump because he has different coronavirus rules. I rarely him speak well of Trump. McConnell seems to steer clear of Trump. I don't think he likes him myself.
Not sure on Graham, that race is close. Graham has a lot of very bad material on him. He runs his mouth too much. He's clearly been overly supportive of Trump.
Trump looks like he's going to lose, but the moron pulled it out last time. So far the bombs they're trying to drop on Biden aren't working. The mail in voting changes a lot. But supposedly Republican voter registrations are surging. We shall see. My buddy is voting for the first time in 20 years for Trump. He thinks the left is more dangerous for the nation, so he's voting for Trump. Me and my other buddy are likely going independent. One other buddy voted for Trump 2016 and loves him now, thinks myself and my other buddy are wasting our votes not voting for a major party. No idea why people think that as voting should be a representation of the manner you think the nation should be run, not some kind of battle between two evils. I will never buy into this garbage that either of these candidates are going to destroy our Democracy or ruin nation. That's just BS. America been here for 240 plus years and Trump or Biden are going to take us down? I don't think so. I won't buy into that garbage.
RiverDog wrote:
No one openly supports riots in the street, but there are damn sure a lot of otherwise rational people that aren't uncomfortable with them enough to put a stop to them. To a lot of people, the riots are nothing more than collateral damage, like when Timothy McVeigh rationalized his killing of children when he bombed the federal building in OKC. No pain and sacrifice is too great for someone else to bear.
As far as year long riots not occurring under Clinton, Bush, or Obama, they never had a crisis anywhere near the proportion that this pandemic has put upon this country over the past 9 months. We can blame Trump for a lot of things, but we can't blame him for the riots.
c_hawkbob wrote:Well at least he pays his taxes in China.
Hawktawk wrote:I have to disagree. Pandemic weirdness aside the fascist actions of this president in Lafayette square shortly after the Kenosha shoot turbocharged these protests and ended any chance of reconciliation. Embarrassed by accounts he had gone to the white house bunker the evening before during protests and violence he had riot police literally smash peaceful protesters, gas them, shoot them with rubber bullets so he could walk across the street and hold up a bible flanked by the AG and military leadership. Not give a speech or make any statement. Just hold up a bible.
Hawktawk wrote:I stick by my theory to the 80% at least but you have a point . Domestic abuse has skyrocketed. I saw a report that all deaths are up by 300k meaning 100 k deaths have been collateral damage , ods murders, people not going to doctors etc. it’s a mess but when we are banned from Canada it’s not been handled well . Hence the riots are ultimately largely Trumps fault assuming this pandemic is a factor . His mask denying Covid truther lunacy has made a big problem far worse .
Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 8 guests