Vote Covid 45 super spreader! Thin the herd!!!

[RiverDog]

When you have a president who acts like wearing a mask is some kind of infringement on his manhood, then sure, Americans will follow suit. Put a president in office who makes it a social duty to wear a mask, more will comply. A jackass in the White House politicizing mask wearing is a big part of the problem.

Agreed. There still would have been way too many non conformists, but not nearly as many had Trump not been out there openly defying it. Of all his antics during his 4 year tenure, his defiance of the mask recommendations are by far his worst as his behavior has cost thousands of lives.

[Hawktawk]

I read an article today that said Trump would act super paranoid if anyone had a cough and was constantly wiping his hands but would drop F bombs if anyone donned a mask in his presence. The simplest thing, the most effective was the most rejected out of narcissism. "its a bad look". The scary thing is Trump is president for 3 more months regardless. We may face utter calamity as a nation if he is left in charge. His attempts to run as the covid fatigue?Covid denier insure nothing will be done wit this runaway train as long as he's in office.

We need a national mask mandate and national central control over this. We need to be funneling money directly to restaurants, nightclubs, gymns, bowling alleys, paying for things like plexiglass. Its clear who the winners and losers are. My golf course/resort are is blowing up, busiest ever. My buddy who owns 7 MCD stores says they have never made this much money and they dont even have lobbies open. Wwe need to figure out how to control this virus till a cure and target moneys to the most affected and yeas Joe tax the living hell out of the ultra billionaires to do it.

[RiverDog]

We need a national mask mandate and national central control over this. We need to be funneling money directly to restaurants, nightclubs, gymns, bowling alleys, paying for things like plexiglass. Its clear who the winners and losers are. My golf course/resort are is blowing up, busiest ever. My buddy who owns 7 MCD stores says they have never made this much money and they dont even have lobbies open. Wwe need to figure out how to control this virus till a cure and target moneys to the most affected and yeas Joe tax the living hell out of the ultra billionaires to do it.

There is no legal authority for the President to issue a nation wide mask mandate. The best he could do is issue one for federal property. The way the Constitution is written, anything not specifically called out in the Constitution is left up to the states. The way the federal government gets states to comply with anything, such as drinking age requirements, highway speed limits, and DUI thresholds, is through coercion, to threaten them with the loss of federal funds if they don't comply. I don't think that strategy would work for a President that's basing his campaign on one of unity and partnership.

I'm not sure how plexiglass is going to help a nightclub, but I do agree with getting them and other businesses some sort of assistance so they can pay the bills while the pandemic is forcing their closure.

[Hawktawk]

So now Chief of staff Mark Meadows has the covid 19 along with several of his aides. He's notorious for not wearing a mask, mocking them. Reportedly he knew he was infected at the election night celebration but was not wearing a mask. He has told his aides not to say anything. Super spreader party....Oh well they already know they are getting the good dope like Trump that nobody else gets. and 45% say YEAH TRUMP!!!!! I just don't understand .

[Aseahawkfan]

So now Chief of staff Mark Meadows has the covid 19 along with several of his aides. He's notorious for not wearing a mask, mocking them. Reportedly he knew he was infected at the election night celebration but was not wearing a mask. He has told his aides not to say anything. Super spreader party....Oh well they already know they are getting the good dope like Trump that nobody else gets. and 45% say YEAH TRUMP!!!!! I just don't understand .

How the hell do you not understand? I thought you used to watch Fox News?

When Fox News is putting every Democrat they can on TV talking about all white people are racist, defunding the police, protesting and causing chaos, and pushing AOC as the face of the Democrats ,how can you not see that frightening conservatives enough to cause them to vote for Trump? Trump stoked and preyed on every fear of the right.

I have a friend who literally believes Democrats hate America and that all the stuff he watches on Fox News is true. He's not well-read and goes almost completely off emotion, much like you do, except believing all the right wing crap. Why would he vote for Democrats if he believes they hate this nation, want to tear it down, and want to turn everything into a race discussion with him, a white guy, as the villain? Why would he vote for that?

If you can' understand these propaganda news agencies are terrible for this nation because they push this crap, then I don't know what to tell you. You yourself bought almost everything the media sold you as bad about Trump. Well open your mind to the idea that people like yourself exist and believe everything Fox News and right wing media is selling them that the Democrats are evil, hate white people, and hate America. Then they go to polls believing it.

I've tried to convince these same people like I've tried to convince you that this is utter BS. This fear-mongering, Armageddon politics is total trash. Yet neither of you wants to read any evidence against what you believe as you are almost purely driven by emotion. Emotion is not rational. That's how Trump got as many votes as he did: by appealing to the irrational fears of his base.

[RiverDog]

I've tried to convince these same people like I've tried to convince you that this is utter BS. This fear-mongering, Armageddon politics is total trash. Yet neither of you wants to read any evidence against what you believe as you are almost purely driven by emotion. Emotion is not rational. That's how Trump got as many votes as he did: by appealing to the irrational fears of his base.

I agree with most of that, except that I'm not prepared to say that it's how Trump got as many votes as he did. There are A LOT of very rational, decent, non racist, intelligent people that voted for Trump. Hillary claimed that 1/2 of Trump's base were "deplorables", ie racists, and that's not been my experience at all. Our good friend Mack is a classic example.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree with most of that, except that I'm not prepared to say that it's how Trump got as many votes as he did. There are A LOT of very rational, decent, non racist, intelligent people that voted for Trump. Hillary claimed that 1/2 of Trump's base were "deplorables", ie racists, and that's not been my experience at all. Our good friend Mack is a classic example.

Did you read Mack's reasons? All of them were emotionally based on what he had seen in the media that the Democrats were doing. I'm not saying they aren't decent rational people.

I am saying the media drove this fear-mongering, race-baiting BS. Not just Fox, but both sides.

Right now I could tell you how every white cop and black shooting will play out. CNN/MSNBC will push the white cop shot unarmed black man racist white cop narrative. Fox News will push the cops are good and blacks commit more crimes BS. They will go back and forth and back and forth accomplishing almost noting but fueling race conflict.

People watching Fox News will start to see Democrats as cop haters. People watching CNN and MSNBC will see white cops as racist. Most reasonable people will be ignored by the opposing network. Any one having an crazy opinion will be blasted on the opposing network to drown out rational thought and push fear. Then it will be taken up by the citizens watching.

Tell me this dog and pony show doesn't happen nearly every time on these opposing networks whether it's socialism, white cop shooting black man, wealth gap, or what not.

Even a rational person watching these media arms would have difficult voting rationally based on such biased and propaganda driven "news."

[Hawktawk]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"

How the hell do you not understand? I thought you used to watch Fox News?

When Fox News is putting every Democrat they can on TV talking about all white people are racist, defunding the police, protesting and causing chaos, and pushing AOC as the face of the Democrats ,how can you not see that frightening conservatives enough to cause them to vote for Trump? Trump stoked and preyed on every fear of the right.

I have a friend who literally believes Democrats hate America and that all the stuff he watches on Fox News is true. He's not well-read and goes almost completely off emotion, much like you do, except believing all the right wing crap. Why would he vote for Democrats if he believes they hate this nation, want to tear it down, and want to turn everything into a race discussion with him, a white guy, as the villain? Why would he vote for that?

If you can' understand these propaganda news agencies are terrible for this nation because they push this crap, then I don't know what to tell you. You yourself bought almost everything the media sold you as bad about Trump. Well open your mind to the idea that people like yourself exist and believe everything Fox News and right wing media is selling them that the Democrats are evil, hate white people, and hate America. Then they go to polls believing it.

I've tried to convince these same people like I've tried to convince you that this is utter BS. This fear-mongering, Armageddon politics is total trash. Yet neither of you wants to read any evidence against what you believe as you are almost purely driven by emotion. Emotion is not rational. That's how Trump got as many votes as he did: by appealing to the irrational fears of his base.[/quote]

Asea I shut off Faux halfway through 2016 after being glued to it from its inception.I saw who they were for the first time after watching them rag incessantly on obama and then shepard Trump though crisis after crisis, scandal after scandal strictly for ratings.
And all I need from any media outlet is just to report the FACTS of his corruption, his unfitness. He's on tape with Bob Woodward admitting he knew in Feb how bad this virus was but 9 months later he's still lying. Did you catch his first debate?Yeah I want that guy in charge of what exactly? Just observe his current conduct unparalleled in any election aftermath in modern era US presidential history by a mile.

I haven't been brainwashed into anything, quite the opposite. I'm the least of the brainwashed along with my fellow never trumpers. This most unfit president, this man with no redeeming qualities, a soulless sick man, no that's just who he is and thank god enough americans saw through it, barely .

And no I don't understand one bit of his support though I have many friends including my best childhood friend and my only brother who did till the end and still probably buy this utter nonsense about a stolen election. I'm ashamed, embarrassed for them. Bewildered.They are at least as screwed up as the radical left mentally.They are too wrapped up in this disgusting cult of personality they can't differentiate between scare tactics over ideology and a nut who is a danger to the entire planet.

[Hawktawk]

https://theweek.com/speedreads/948834/b ... ve-covid19
Nice reward for endorsing Trump about 10 days after being compared to a child molester by him...

[Aseahawkfan]

Asea I shut off Faux halfway through 2016 after being glued to it from its inception.I saw who they were for the first time after watching them rag incessantly on obama and then shepard Trump though crisis after crisis, scandal after scandal strictly for ratings.
And all I need from any media outlet is just to report the FACTS of his corruption, his unfitness. He's on tape with Bob Woodward admitting he knew in Feb how bad this virus was but 9 months later he's still lying. Did you catch his first debate?Yeah I want that guy in charge of what exactly? Just observe his current conduct unparalleled in any election aftermath in modern era US presidential history by a mile.

I haven't been brainwashed into anything, quite the opposite. I'm the least of the brainwashed along with my fellow never trumpers. This most unfit president, this man with no redeeming qualities, a soulless sick man, no that's just who he is and thank god enough americans saw through it, barely .

And no I don't understand one bit of his support though I have many friends including my best childhood friend and my only brother who did till the end and still probably buy this utter nonsense about a stolen election. I'm ashamed, embarrassed for them. Bewildered.They are at least as screwed up as the radical left mentally.They are too wrapped up in this disgusting cult of personality they can't differentiate between scare tactics over ideology and a nut who is a danger to the entire planet.

You're the "least brain washed"? Where have I heard that before?

If you don't want to see why something happens, then you don't have a very good perspective. I'm quite aware of why people voted for Trump. They hate the left and what it represents and feel Trump was offering a better vision of America. That's it. They ignored all his warts because to them the warts of the left were worse.

Just like you built Trump into some kind of super dictator and lashed out endlessly at him, even though he's just a man. An annoying, narcissitic jackass of a man.

The system worked to restrain him, just like so many of us told you and I5 ages ago. America is going to be fine. Neither party is destroyed. The world goes on with or without Trump as president. I wonder if your life will feel empty now that the supervillain in your life is gone.

[Hawktawk]

You're the "least brain washed"? Where have I heard that before?

LOL good one, Like least racist etc. Gotta hand it to you .
Im secure in the fact I am not brainwashed or low information in the least regarding Trump and many very smart people are both brainwashed and intentionally low information or simply in denial.Hes a danger to the planet until he's gone. I've compared it to the frog in the pot of boiling water before. Half of americans have been so dumbed down to the disqualifying behavior of the president that gets more erratic by the minute they would literally defend him if he walked out the front door of the white house stark naked. Those are the brainwashed ones. Oh and I feel ecstatic the baboon is flailing in his death throes,. proving how tiny a man he is, what a miserable excuse for a human being. he never grew in the job as president kinda hard to think he will as a loser.

Its scary thinking of the next 70 days for sure when he's firing his 3rd defense secretary by tweet as a lame duck. What's gonna happen next hour? I'm sure that was well planned. Ill really rest easy when he's escorted out by secret service and hopefully directly into police custody.Not before

[RiverDog]

Its scary thinking of the next 70 days...

We've gone 1390 days with Trump in office, and so far, we're all still living to tell about it. Surely we can make it another 70 days.

You should be out turning cartwheels like so many other Americans that were celebrating Biden's election this weekend, not wringing your hands in agony.

[c_hawkbob]

I totally understand his trepidation. I've had to follow a disgruntled outgoing group into a power plant that was sold and a whole new crew being brought in, seen the kind of damage they can do on the way out. Trump is just petty and vindictive enough to cause a great deal of serious harm on his way out entirely intentionally. That hasn't been the case for 1385 of your 1390 days.

[Hawktawk]

That’s my point Chawk bob. These will be days like none of the others . This is a beaten man who is not right between the ears , extremely vindictive who just fired the God Damn Sec of Defense via tweet in the middle of more menacing behavior by our greatest geopolitical foes in a long time , China has never been this bellicose or militarily powerful to back it up. Between his business interests , his friends and enemies and his fear of incarceration it is a scary time . He should be removed immediately and pence installed for the remainder of the term for the safety of the American people and really the entire planet .

[RiverDog]

I totally understand his trepidation. I've had to follow a disgruntled outgoing group into a power plant that was sold and a whole new crew being brought in, seen the kind of damage they can do on the way out. Trump is just petty and vindictive enough to cause a great deal of serious harm on his way out entirely intentionally. That hasn't been the case for 1385 of your 1390 days.

The difference between the past 5 days and the coming 70 days vs. the previous 1385 is that Trump is a lame duck. That fact places a lot of limitations of what he can do. Indeed, all of the world leaders now recognize Biden as the man they have to deal with.

Cheer up, you two! You're acting like you lost the election.

[Aseahawkfan]

I never seen a blowhard narcissist elicit so much angst.

I don't care about Trump. He's all done. He might at best do some questionable pardons. That's about it. He is going to be primarily concerned with escaping The White House without ending up in jail at this point as he lost all his power. He'll probably work to cut some kind of deal to protect himself from further investigations. Trump is a selfish narcissist, but a cagey one. He's not some self-sacrificing jackass willing to end up in jail to do some petty mean garbage. I expect he'll see soon his lawsuits won't work. He'll accept defeat with some snide comments to the Dems. Then behind the scenes he'll try to make some deals to get out of the White House without the Dems crawling up his ass still. We'll see if that works. That is what I expect to happen.

I thought the right was the only one caught up in conspiracy theories about what the left was capable of, but Trump certainly proved the left eats that crap up just as much as the right.

American system of governments and elections work. Checks and balances on power work. Trump was held in check as expected.

American intelligence agencies aren't dumb enough to allow America to have a puppet ruler installed by Russia or a non-citizen loyal to Muslim nations installed as president. Stop buying into horsecrap from propaganda driven media talking heads. We install puppet leaders, we don't have them installed on us. We're the most powerful nation out there, not Russia.

We have enough problems to fix and deal with without someone writing fictional propaganda about presidents.

So now you have people on the left freaking out about Trump's last few months.

The people on the right are complaining about stolen elections, vaccine news being withheld to hurt Trump's re-election, and thinking Biden is going to be a puppet of the progressive left who will take away their guns, make us socialist, and sell us out to China.

Americans, you would think they weren't living about as well as you can live in the world barring perhaps a handful of nations in Western Europe. Astounding how much Americans like to make mountains of molehills.

[c_hawkbob]

I totally understand his trepidation. I've had to follow a disgruntled outgoing group into a power plant that was sold and a whole new crew being brought in, seen the kind of damage they can do on the way out. Trump is just petty and vindictive enough to cause a great deal of serious harm on his way out entirely intentionally. That hasn't been the case for 1385 of your 1390 days.

The difference between the past 5 days and the coming 70 days vs. the previous 1385 is that Trump is a lame duck. That fact places a lot of limitations of what he can do. Indeed, all of the world leaders now recognize Biden as the man they have to deal with.

Cheer up, you two! You're acting like you lost the election.

Cheer up? The Seahawks lost man!

Other than that though, if I got any cheerier they'd have me committed! I'm ecstatic!, and get more so every time I hear him sounding so presidential ... which seems odd; 4 years ago I'd have been bored with the whole "saying just the right thing ... how convenient" thing. I had no idea how much I had missed that though after 4 years of this orange baboon fling feces at everyone he didn't see as loyal to him.

[Aseahawkfan]

Cheer up? The Seahawks lost man!

Other than that though, if I got any cheerier they'd have me committed! I'm ecstatic!, and get more so every time I hear him sounding so presidential ... which seems odd; 4 years ago I'd have been bored with the whole "saying just the right thing ... how convenient" thing. I had no idea how much I had missed that though after 4 years of this orange baboon fling feces at everyone he didn't see as loyal to him.

Fully agree on this. No tweets. President talking about unified nation. Man acting presidential again and understanding he represents the entire nation. A president not treating the oval office like his personal reality TV show.

First time in years I listened to a presidential speech just to get the stupid from Trump out of my head. And actual plans to coordinate the nation on a pandemic, like music to the ears.

Now I just gotta wait until my right wing buddies swallow that sour medicine that will actually be good for them and the left to stop worrying about the big bully supervillain Trump somehow damaging American with two months to go while everyone sits around letting it happen (yeah, right), then I'll be good. My buddies will get stimulus to help them. Vaccines will come through. Governors of all states will coordinate. The national dialogue won't be determined by the jackass president thinking he's gotta fight with every opponent. Twitter won't matter near as much.

Life will be as good as it can be during a global pandemic. I'm sleeping better already with this tiresome jackass a few months from being a footnote in history. The Left's Great Boogeyman is gone.

[I-5]

Indeed, all of the world leaders now recognize Biden as the man they have to deal with.

Surprise surprise...the Free World’s leaders have recognized Biden...that means Putin, Xi, Erdogan, Assad, of course haven’t. Wonder what’s stopping them?

Other than, I’m pretty happy with Biden, Fauci, Pfizer back in the headlines for the right reasons. Even some parts of Fox News seems to be waking up to reality. I fully expect Trump to act exactly as he’s been acting, which means he will be a lame duck president like none before him. It’s not a doomsday prediction, it’s just how he does everything everyday. What’s mildly surprising is to see how far Graham, Barr, and now even McConnell are willing to stick their necks out on his behalf, when they know his accusations are without merit. What are they doing?

[Aseahawkfan]

Surprise surprise...the Free World’s leaders have recognized Biden...that means Putin, Xi, Erdogan, Assad, of course haven’t. Wonder what’s stopping them?

Other than, I’m pretty happy with Biden, Fauci, Pfizer back in the headlines for the right reasons. Even some parts of Fox News seems to be waking up to reality. I fully expect Trump to act exactly as he’s been acting, which means he will be a lame duck president like none before him. It’s not a doomsday prediction, it’s just how he does everything everyday. What’s mildly surprising is to see how far Graham, Barr, and now even McConnell are willing to stick their necks out on his behalf, when they know his accusations are without merit. What are they doing?

Let me answer that for you since you don't keep track per usual:

Assad: Can't recall him ever being mentioned calling anyone in the United States for elections. Assad is an ally of Iran. You apparently think Iran is a country we should continue to have a deal with that doesn't actually prevent them from creating nuclear weapons, while allowing them to sell their oil on the open market to increase their funds for sowing dissension against us in Iraq and Afghanistan. But you don't pay attention to that because you're too busy worrying about Trump being a Russian plant.

Putin: Apparently he is preparing for an adversarial relationship with Joe Biden. So he must think Biden won.

Xi: China's stocks just shot up. So I imagine Xi is waiting to be sure Trump is done, then he will be ecstatic that China is back doing easy business in the United States and world. They will have a much easier time against Biden than Trump. So why care.

Erdogan: I am not sure what relationship America will have with Turkey. Maybe what they had with America prior to Trump. Erdogan took over and adjusted the Turkish government to hold power indefinitely. I know he wants to expand Turkish power in the region. He did his best to breach the relationship between America and Saudi Arabia by setting the Saudi Prince up for a huge PR hit by killing Jamal Khashoggi. The power play by Erdogan obviously didn't work because America can't afford to breach the Saudi Arabia relationship yet to keep their status as the reserve currency strong.

You keep thinking you're making clever statements and living with your head in the dirt. The Democrats and Republicans rely on American stupidity to maintain their foreign policy in America. Biden knows the game. He's been in it for years. You'll see a return to American foreign policy prior to Trump. Maybe they'll try to push the TPP again to make it easier to do business in Asia, so our big businesses can more easily outsource jobs, hire Asian workers to bring to America, and generally do what they want. There is a reason Big Tech backed Biden and it isn't because they like his policies for the working man.

[I-5]

Let me answer that for you since you don't keep track per usual:

Assad: Can't recall him ever being mentioned calling anyone in the United States for elections. Assad is an ally of Iran. You apparently think Iran is a country we should continue to have a deal with that doesn't actually prevent them from creating nuclear weapons, while allowing them to sell their oil on the open market to increase their funds for sowing dissension against us in Iraq and Afghanistan. But you don't pay attention to that because you're too busy worrying about Trump being a Russian plant.

Putin: Apparently he is preparing for an adversarial relationship with Joe Biden. So he must think Biden won.

Xi: China's stocks just shot up. So I imagine Xi is waiting to be sure Trump is done, then he will be ecstatic that China is back doing easy business in the United States and world. They will have a much easier time against Biden than Trump. So why care.

Erdogan: I am not sure what relationship America will have with Turkey. Maybe what they had with America prior to Trump. Erdogan took over and adjusted the Turkish government to hold power indefinitely. I know he wants to expand Turkish power in the region. He did his best to breach the relationship between America and Saudi Arabia by setting the Saudi Prince up for a huge PR hit by killing Jamal Khashoggi. The power play by Erdogan obviously didn't work because America can't afford to breach the Saudi Arabia relationship yet to keep their status as the reserve currency strong.

You keep thinking you're making clever statements and living with your head in the dirt. The Democrats and Republicans rely on American stupidity to maintain their foreign policy in America. Biden knows the game. He's been in it for years. You'll see a return to American foreign policy prior to Trump. Maybe they'll try to push the TPP again to make it easier to do business in Asia, so our big businesses can more easily outsource jobs, hire Asian workers to bring to America, and generally do what they want. There is a reason Big Tech backed Biden and it isn't because they like his policies for the working man.

Thanks for stating the obvious. Again. No one is saying what you presume, and no one is trying to be clever. Riv was saying the entire world recognized Biden's win. Obviously not the entire world.

Apparently he is preparing for an adversarial relationship with Joe Biden.

Yes, we know this, since he couldn't ask for a better lap dog than what he's had the past 4 years, which I demonstrated the strange leverage or mysterious behaviour Trump showed on behalf of Russia (I listed the items, but you didn't respond). Thanks for stating the obvious again.

As my brazilian friends would say, 'fica calma'. Calm down.

[Hawktawk]

Firing SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Mark Esper who to his credit had a spine via Twitter is another gift to Putin as esper was doing his best to slow walk the nato weakening moves Trump kept curiously ordering throughout his term.Esper is quoted as saying "Who is going to come behind me? some yes man and then GOD HELP US"

Who knows how many more destabilizing things Trump will attempt before he is (maybe) removed. Cause now there is this https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-d ... on-probes/

Barr AKA the walrus is wading in in unprecedented fashion with the full weight of the DOJ investigating election *crimes* on behalf of the taxpayers.

Michael Cohen said months ago "he's not going to leave" if he loses.

The administration is holding back GSA funding and intelligence briefings for the incoming administration, delaying their legitimacy and ability to transition in a time of peril for our nation. The system has not yet worked.Its as broken as any other check and balance that could never have anticipated a Donald Trump presidency and its brain eating capability on his sycophants. McConnel is sounding much like a man willing to keep this in limbo till these runoffs which is 6 weeks. Its evil. We may need to go to the white house as americans to demand his ouster ala Ferdinand Marcos, fill the streets,dispatch the despot.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics ... index.html
ROFLMAO now the leader of the legal team has it

[RiverDog]

Cheer up, you two! You're acting like you lost the election.

Cheer up? The Seahawks lost man!

Hehe! But we're still in first!

Other than that though, if I got any cheerier they'd have me committed! I'm ecstatic!, and get more so every time I hear him sounding so presidential ... which seems odd; 4 years ago I'd have been bored with the whole "saying just the right thing ... how convenient" thing. I had no idea how much I had missed that though after 4 years of this orange baboon fling feces at everyone he didn't see as loyal to him.

Agreed. Normally I'd be upset if a President elect said something like Biden did when he said that his cabinet was going to "look like America" as it suggests that his number one priority is the demographical composition rather than qualifications, but it pales in comparison to Trump's selection process, which was more like some sort of blood oath sworn by members of the Mafia to their don.

More so than Trump's agonal death throes, what concerns me the most is making it through the winter without our hospitals getting completely overwhelmed by the virus. The news on the vaccine was tremendous as that high of efficacy means that fewer people need to get vaccinated in order to get it under control. There's also good news on the treatment front, where they've brought the mortality rate down from 7% in March and April to about 1.5% recently. Nevertheless, it's going to be a long winter. I worry about my daughter being in the front line trenches of this war.

[Aseahawkfan]

It would interesting if this got really insane where Trump sits in office until it's time for Biden to take over, surrounds himself with a few looney sycophants, and goes out like Scarface in The Oval Office. I don't expect it, but it sure would be an interesting end to a strange chapter in American political history and make for a great movie.

[Aseahawkfan]

As my brazilian friends would say, 'fica calma'. Calm down.

Sure, why you two sides of the looney coin go back and forth, America is supposed to remain calm. I can't recall this level of looney on both the left and right in my lifetime. Which is one of the main reasons I'm glad Trump is gone. He encourages this level of looney behavior on both sides of the political spectrum.

I heard a lot of looney during Bush Jr. and Obama, but neither of them encouraged the looney like Trump. He loves to spin everyone up. And people for some reason can't ignore him, wait for him to take his toys and go home, while this transition happens.

Even in his last few months people keep thinking he's going to do something to "ruin the nation", when a president doesn't have that power. That power does not exist within our Constitution for a president to act in a unilateral manner to the ruination of the nation. Only nations like North Korea and similar dictatorships have that kind of power, not American presidents.

Stop believing the C.I.A., F.B.I., and our other intelligence agencies are loyal to the president to the point of destroying the nation. It's foolishness and BS.

Trust in American institutions. They work.

[I-5]

Stop believing the C.I.A., F.B.I., and our other intelligence agencies are loyal to the president to the point of destroying the nation. It's foolishness and BS.

Who said that? I certainly don't think that. Sometimes I think you're arguing with no one.

Pompeo is in the State Dept, not CIA or FBI. He's definitely resisting the transition.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/su ... s-n1249079
So much for this ho hum 6-3 no big deal right wing court....Like all the perfect storms the last few years the death of RBG and the rushed confirmation of this little stealth religious kook ACB is making this pandemic worse. If this is how its gonna go with this scotus in the pandemic response forget any type of mask mandate, vaccine mandate, anything.

Coupled with Alitos hyper partisan political remarks regarding pandemic restrictions just last week its clear packing the court may be the only way to keep america safe.Not even Roberts can protect us from this evil cult anymore.

These religious cultists say they are worshipping god but they are worshipping evil lies. They couldn't spell god if you spotted them the G, the O and the D.

[Aseahawkfan]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-blocks-ny-enforcing-covid-limits-churches-n1249079
So much for this ho hum 6-3 no big deal right wing court....Like all the perfect storms the last few years the death of RBG and the rushed confirmation of this little stealth religious kook ACB is making this pandemic worse. If this is how its gonna go with this scotus in the pandemic response forget any type of mask mandate, vaccine mandate, anything.

Coupled with Alitos hyper partisan political remarks regarding pandemic restrictions just last week its clear packing the court may be the only way to keep america safe.Not even Roberts can protect us from this evil cult anymore.

These religious cultists say they are worshipping god but they are worshipping evil lies. They couldn't spell god if you spotted them the G, the O and the D.

You did read what they wrote? The supporting opinion claimed there was unequal enforcement, which there is. Some people consider going to Church an essential part of their life.

You already know I'm not a big religious believer, but at the same time you can't have this unequal treatment of religious services. It's wrong. You can't let people protest under the 1st amendment, while you tell religious people to not gather and exercise freedom of religion under the same amendment. Politicians have to show some consistency, not limit people because you think those people won't do anything about it.

Why do you think that is ok for elected officials to let protests and such gatherings go on, while religious services are shut down? A court opinion is not wrong because of who appointed the judges. You have to look at what the legal issue is.

[RiverDog]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-blocks-ny-enforcing-covid-limits-churches-n1249079
So much for this ho hum 6-3 no big deal right wing court....Like all the perfect storms the last few years the death of RBG and the rushed confirmation of this little stealth religious kook ACB is making this pandemic worse. If this is how its gonna go with this scotus in the pandemic response forget any type of mask mandate, vaccine mandate, anything.

Coupled with Alitos hyper partisan political remarks regarding pandemic restrictions just last week its clear packing the court may be the only way to keep america safe.Not even Roberts can protect us from this evil cult anymore.

These religious cultists say they are worshipping god but they are worshipping evil lies. They couldn't spell god if you spotted them the G, the O and the D.

You did read what they wrote? The supporting opinion claimed there was unequal enforcement, which there is. Some people consider going to Church an essential part of their life.

You already know I'm not a big religious believer, but at the same time you can't have this unequal treatment of religious services. It's wrong. You can't let people protest under the 1st amendment, while you tell religious people to not gather and exercise freedom of religion under the same amendment. Politicians have to show some consistency, not limit people because you think those people won't do anything about it.

Why do you think that is ok for elected officials to let protests and such gatherings go on, while religious services are shut down? A court opinion is not wrong because of who appointed the judges. You have to look at what the legal issue is.

Not only that, but Justice Roberts said in his dissenting opinion that he saw no need to take this action, because the state has revised the designations of the affected areas, and none of the houses of worship that sought relief now face numerical restrictions and can hold services up to 50 percent capacity.

So it was a moot decision. New York had already revised their restrictions.

[Hawktawk]

Lets just see what comes down the pike with this SCOTUS in the pandemic cause everyone is gonna want to rush their case to them right away now.

It's so hard to make these flat earth society people who need a house to believe in god understand they really are worshipping a golden cow.

"Who am I that I need a house built by human hands, for heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool"
"where 2 or 3 are gathered together in my name there I am also".

Does not stop the pastor from passing around the plate an extra time for that new power point system or surround sound stereo or a pay raise.

Religion absolutely does not exist in my life and hasnt for quite a while. My relationship with God, my faith is strong.I just bypass the flat earth society Trumpanzee party BS that's infiltrated most mainstream religious organizations in america. Anyone who needs to go spread Covid 19 to worship god is gonna burn as hot as charles manson cause they dont have a clue about god,truly.

Box stores are essential cause we gotta eat . Plus they are mask mandatory, generally pretty open air and people get in and get out. Same with protests, they are outdoors and i saw a lot more mask compliance than any Trump/pence or republican candidate rally.

Churches are sweaty singing people a few feet apart, no masks for 2 plus hours. An example was 300 persons in a choir who met for practice resulting in 80 plus infections and 11 deaths at the time of publication.But hey its about their rights. Only during a pandemic their freedom could mean my doom.

Say goodbye to states rights I guess. Welcome to the theocracy.

[RiverDog]

I'm not a deeply religious man, either. The only time I ever go into a church is for a wedding or funeral.

But you have to admit that some of these restrictions are not being done in an equitable manner. My gym, for example, was able to skirt the restrictions by doing nothing more than re-naming themselves as a wellness center. I went in there the other day and most were the same faces that I had seen many times before, nothing physically wrong with them that would have required physical therapy, several with their masks around their necks as they were breathing heavily on ellipticals and treadmills.

The other thing that was important in the case that you cited was that there were no infections that were traced back to the churches that were petitioning the court. It sounds to me that at least these churches and their members were being very cautious and compliant with COVID protocols, so let's stop with this assertation of yours that there are crowed, sweating bodies singing just a few feet apart.

[NorthHawk]

Like anything, some Churches will abuse the privilege and overcrowd.
Responsible ones care for their supporters, others only seem to care about money.

[Hawktawk]

I'm a little hot under the collar from the church I saw in Moses Lake last sunday with probably 400 people inside. The problem in grant Co is the politics, the sheriff who I know quite well personally will not direct his deputies to enforce any of this.

The scotus ruling is a big deal if it sets precedent. Its more fuel on the fire for these trumpanzees to pack the churches again. The government is not fail safe, no plan is perfect but again, RD there's no comparison between even a gym with a few people working out and a church with pew chairs impossible to distance, singing,laying on of hands for prayer.A choir and worship band belting out music from the stage. I've been in plenty of them. And just because a particular church has not reported covid deaths or infections that's kind of the point of closing them with a disease than goes from zero to 100 in a second.Imagine if some of these mega churches that hold thousands get a ruling to open..

[NorthHawk]

I'm a little hot under the collar from the church I saw in Moses Lake last sunday with probably 400 people inside. The problem in grant Co is the politics, the sheriff who I know quite well personally will not direct his deputies to enforce any of this.

What bothers me about those types of attitudes is they don't realize that they are in fact changing the laws by consciously not enforcing laws.
If you take it to the absurd, what if a police chief told his deputies to not investigate murder? It would effectively permit that crime. I guess
what I'm saying is it's not the Police's job to determine what laws to enforce - it's up to the courts and gov't to get that straight.

[RiverDog]

I'm a little hot under the collar from the church I saw in Moses Lake last sunday with probably 400 people inside. The problem in grant Co is the politics, the sheriff who I know quite well personally will not direct his deputies to enforce any of this.

I understand and agree with you.

The scotus ruling is a big deal if it sets precedent. Its more fuel on the fire for these trumpanzees to pack the churches again. The government is not fail safe, no plan is perfect but again, RD there's no comparison between even a gym with a few people working out and a church with pew chairs impossible to distance, singing,laying on of hands for prayer.A choir and worship band belting out music from the stage. I've been in plenty of them. And just because a particular church has not reported covid deaths or infections that's kind of the point of closing them with a disease than goes from zero to 100 in a second.Imagine if some of these mega churches that hold thousands get a ruling to open..

So where was it that you saw that these churches were engaging in singing and in pew chairs where it was impossible to distance? It would seem to me if none of these churches had a traceable infection that they were doing an admirable job of complying with the protocols and protecting their worshipers. I'm good with restrictions so long as the data and science support them. But at least in this case, these particular churches seemed to be doing a good job of protecting their worshipers and their community. You're making a heck of a lot of assumptions.

As far as it setting a president, that's highly unlikely. First of all, this pandemic isn't going to last forever. If all goes well, by this time next year, it will all be forgotten. Secondly, the issue had already been resolved before the court ruled. Even Governor Cuomo said in his reaction to the decision that the ruling “was really just an opportunity for the court to express its philosophy and politics.”

[RiverDog]

I'm a little hot under the collar from the church I saw in Moses Lake last sunday with probably 400 people inside. The problem in grant Co is the politics, the sheriff who I know quite well personally will not direct his deputies to enforce any of this.

What bothers me about those types of attitudes is they don't realize that they are in fact changing the laws by consciously not enforcing laws. If you take it to the absurd, what if a police chief told his deputies to not investigate murder? It would effectively permit that crime. I guess what I'm saying is it's not the Police's job to determine what laws to enforce - it's up to the courts and gov't to get that straight.

I agree with that, too. Last year, there was a mini rebellion of sheriffs in eastern Washington that refused to enforce I-1639, the gun control measure, on the account that they thought that the law might be unconstitutional. Our sheriff made what I thought was a reasonable compromise by saying that they would document any violation and forward them to the prosecutor for possible future action in the event that the law was determined to be constitutional but that they would not arrest or charge anyone with a violation at the time.

We have elected officials, county commissioners, that are encouraging businesses and citizens to break the law. IMO that's no better than some members of the Seattle City Council giving out confidential information to demonstrators.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm a little hot under the collar from the church I saw in Moses Lake last sunday with probably 400 people inside. The problem in grant Co is the politics, the sheriff who I know quite well personally will not direct his deputies to enforce any of this.

The scotus ruling is a big deal if it sets precedent. Its more fuel on the fire for these trumpanzees to pack the churches again. The government is not fail safe, no plan is perfect but again, RD there's no comparison between even a gym with a few people working out and a church with pew chairs impossible to distance, singing,laying on of hands for prayer.A choir and worship band belting out music from the stage. I've been in plenty of them. And just because a particular church has not reported covid deaths or infections that's kind of the point of closing them with a disease than goes from zero to 100 in a second.Imagine if some of these mega churches that hold thousands get a ruling to open..

400 people? Man, that's stupid.

I wish people would show more sense. But we had an idiot for a president treating the coronavirus like a PR issue that he politicized. I hope once he's sorry ass is out, we'll see some sense return.

I'm hoping this court ruling doesn't do much more than force some conversation and sensible talk. It was nearly impossible to have any kind of sensible talk with Dumb as Dirt in office. He wasn't having it. It was his way or no way. That idiot.

[Hawktawk]

I heard a sheriff in a panhandle county a few weeks ago say he wouldnt be enforcing mask and distancing measures because he was "focused on law enforcement and public safety issues".!!!!

Maybe we need an IQ test for some of these cops....Now the panhandle is blowing up with restrictions in place and trumpanzees revolting.

Ill say it again. The people protesting these lockdowns the loudest are causing them..