RiverDog wrote:The guy that claimed the government can't and shouldn't force people take a vaccine to stop a pandemic advocates forced rehab. Right.
I am not nearly as tolerant of the "glossy eyed beggars" as you make me out to be. If they are threatening others, they should be arrested and jailed. My position on drug use is strictly related to non violent users. If they aren't bothering anyone or encroaching on other's property, then I have no right to insist that they live their lives in a certain manner. It's their body, they can do what they want to it so long as it's no skin off my behind.
I'm for making every practical opportunity available to chronic drug users/homeless to rid themselves of their affliction, but if we've learned one thing in treating substance abuse, it's that there is almost no chance of recovery if the subject doesn't want help. If they genuinely want to clean themselves up, then I have no problem spending taxpayer money to help them. But forcing someone who doesn't want it to accept treatment would be a huge waste of money and resources. The minute they're turned loose they'd be back on the streets shooting up. They have to want help and want to live a normal life. Many don't, and that's fine with me.
You're right, I don't have to deal with the types you described. The closest I come to a "glossy eyed beggar" is when I'm driving out the supermarket parking lot. I live in a semi rural neighborhood, 1 acre lots, some really nice $1M+ homes mixed in with a few hillbilly palaces. I wouldn't live in the Seattle area for all the tea in China.
I already admitted they can force someone to get vaccinated.
People on heroin do not make rational decisions. That is why forced rehab for heroin is what should be done. Why you think a heroin addict can make a rational decision, I do not know.
I completely agree that jail time is useless. Throwing someone who is addicted into jail is a pointless endeavor that does next to nothing. Rehabilitation is not jail. It is a detox program to get them cleared of the addictive substance, so they at least have a fighting chance of making a rational decision to quit. They have zero chance of making a rational decision to quit while wandering the streets high on heroin or meth. They just continue to commit crime, debase themselves further, and hang out with other drug addicts further cementing their awful life choices.
I'm talking forced rehabilitation centers cut off from the addictive substance until they can get detoxed, clear their minds, and have a fighting chance of recovery. It is something that has not been tried to my knowledge. The only avenues I have seen attempted are jail time which is useless and ignoring their drug habit which also doesn't work.
If you continuously force rehabilitation funding the rehabilitation programs through tort law used against drug dealers and companies who allow these drugs to fall into general use, we can give these drug abusers a fighting chance while at the same time disincentivizing profiting off the sale of such substances. Why are you so hot to try some program like decriminalization which leaves these drug zombies walking the streets debasing themselves, committing petty crime, and engaging in all kinds of terrible behavior that society has to bear the cost of rather than a rigorous and constant rehabilitation program combined with lawyers using tort law to punish drug dealers who irresponsibly allow this to happen.
This seems like a far more intelligent and effective use of our resources. This whole you need to want to get off drugs is bunk. You don't make rational decisions why using this junk. The more times you get clean the better chance you have of making that rational decision to stay clean. Tort law has been far more effective a means to keep negative actors in society from scumbaggery than making something completely illegal.
It's not right to subject citizens to clean shooting zones using their taxpayer dollars to allow people to shoot up on heroin, wander around the streets high, and just overlook everything like they are implying. Is your preference really to pay for these people to shoot up heroin and let them wander around high looking for money to fuel their habit? That seems like the better idea than continuous forced rehabilitation?