Aseahawkfan wrote:What in the hell is wrong with some of these people? Is Trump the anti-Christ or something that he can make these people say such stupid things as a show of loyalty? What's next? He going to inspire his followers to suicide bomb people in protest or something crazy.
“today, the current threat to the United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history — including the civil war.” Later on, the letter returns to the divide over the election results and cites recent reports of record gun sales in the U.S., stating that, “without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent.”
c_hawkbob wrote:Now they are actually advocating "a shooting civil war":
“today, the current threat to the United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history — including the civil war.” Later on, the letter returns to the divide over the election results and cites recent reports of record gun sales in the U.S., stating that, “without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent.”
c_hawkbob wrote:This sh!t needs to be put down hard, right now! It's sedition now, if they get their way it will be treason (even by your standards Riv) and Trump is neck deep in it!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-backer ... 46889.html
c_hawkbob wrote:BS! Even putting it out there in the current atmosphere, with the Proud Boys "standing by" and Trump suggesting that his "second amendment people" can "do something", amounts to a call to arms for these idiots and they damn well know it.
You go ahead and be fine with whatever they do right up until the shooting starts, I'm not!
I-5 wrote:Where are the strong mature republican leaders calling this out, and how has it come this far? Not that I'm surprised.
I-5 wrote:There are a lot of big republican names missing in your example, which is what I'm saying.
Saying something incendiary, then backing away the next day is something they've all learned, we've all learned, from the fool in the WH. I wish we could take him out immediately, as he is doing as much harm as he can til inauguration day, and I don't see it stopping.
I-5 wrote:There are a lot of big republican names missing in your example, which is what I'm saying.
I-5 wrote:Saying something incendiary, then backing away the next day is something they've all learned, we've all learned, from the fool in the WH. I wish we could take him out immediately, as he is doing as much harm as he can til inauguration day, and I don't see it stopping.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
What do you mean? McConnell has acknowledged the new administration. Even William Barr said he found no election fraud. Mitt Romney and a few others congratulated Biden. Republican governors were giving Biden updates behind the scenes. Trump finally gave his approval to start the transfer of power. You think Republican leaders didn't tell him to start it or else?
About the only courtesy they are giving Trump right now is not arguing with him in public, which is a very Republican way of business. Do not let the dirty laundry out in public. But don't worry, they let him know. It's why he's moving, even while he's whining.
All the people acting like psychopaths are not Republican power leaders. They are Trump sycophants.
Don't worry. Republicans are keeping the jackass under control behind the scenes. And after December 14th, the controls on him will get even stronger.
c_hawkbob wrote:Why were these protesters not rounded up and jailed? This is the type of sh!t that can get real bad real fast if not dealt with immediately.
RiverDog wrote:
Probably because they were taking their cues from the pols that didn't round up and jail the protesters this summer in places like Portland and Seattle. I'm not sure what the difference is between marching on the personal residence of the Mayor of Seattle and the acts described above.
RiverDog wrote:
Probably because they were taking their cues from the pols that didn't round up and jail the protesters this summer in places like Portland and Seattle. I'm not sure what the difference is between marching on the personal residence of the Mayor of Seattle and the acts described above.
Hawktawk wrote:Excuse me? These are armed protesters in a fanatical cult packing heat surrounding an elections official with her kids in her private residence. Nobody cared for the violent protests after all the police brutality last year but at least they had something legitimate to protest. And with a president who was a fascist wanna be and more cops all the time found to be involved with QAanon and proud boys they fomented the violence much like trump and the same cast of actors is fomenting this violence.
It became a protest of him with his comments and especially lafayette square. My guess is if and when Biden gest sworn in the inner city violence involving excessive force killings will calm down. I never saw protests last more than a few weeks under Obama.
These guys are trying to overturn a not very close presidential election with intimidation of government officials based on armed force. way different deal.Most cops are pro trump and will probably look the other way until someone gets killed.
Hawktawk wrote:You're undercooking this by quite a bit. McConnells conduct is despicable. He's not acknowledged Biden won a single time by directly saying that his supposed good friend Biden has won or is the president elect or god forbid congratulating a guy he's supposedly going to work with the next 4 years. His mealy mouthed "there will be an orderly transition and WHAT WE SAY has very little to do with it" is a lie.
It matters greatly that there is deafening silence from our republican leaders when the president is using the trappings of his office to commit out and out sedition on a daily basis, poison american minds in ways that cannot be healed, creating hazardous conditions for poll workers who are literally being tracked down along with members of their families . Mcconnell is a senate majority leader who keeps a pretty tight rein on his caucus. If he would have done the right thing, the courteous thing, the american thing his senate would likely mostly fall in line.
Its despicable conduct by a failed psychotic president being enabled by the overwhelming MAJORITY of the party leadership at a perilous time for america. I know lots of people want republican control of the senate but no longer me. McConnell deserves to rot in hell, not have the reigns of power in this country a single minute longer.Hes one of the most despicable sleazy political animals I've ever seen.
Trumps nuts, he cant help himself. McConnell knows what's the right thing to do. Senator Ron Johnson was caught on a phone call last week saying everyone knows Biden won, Trump is an asshole but saying it publicly is career suicide.But publicly Johnson is actually FANNING THE FLAMES.
I've never seen anything like this in 61 years of life. Trash america down the dumpster and throw a match in it to save your GD political hide
Aseahawkfan wrote:And taking over 6 city blocks in Seattle while the governor of Washington State and the Mayor of Seattle act like it's no big thing that a police precinct was driven out of Seattle by protesters. But Hawktawk's ok when that happens because they weren't Trump supporters. Where was his vitriol when citizens were being attacked by protesters in Seattle and Portland? Where was his patriotism?
The fact is that the current politicians on both sides have allowed this cancel culture, violent protests, and the like to get out of hand on their watches. It should never be allowed by either sides protesters to engage in violence like taking over city blocks, fire bombing police precincts, shooting cops, threatening election officials, or any of this trash.
Hawktawk wrote:I said nobody liked it, certainly not me.
Hawktawk wrote:Not Biden either who said "rioting is not protesting".
Hawktawk wrote:Regardless there is a huge difference between a rag tag band of thugs tearing it up with proud boys and vandalizing stuff in some liberal outhouse and convincing 50 million people armed to the teeth the election was stolen. And now armed trumpanzees are hunting down and menacing patriotic americans doing a thankless job. They are openly advocating a shooting war.
No comparison whatever other than both are illegal.This is far more dangerous for the entire future of the nation.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
The fact is that McConnell is right and Trump gets to pursue all legal avenues until December 14th when the electoral vote is taken. McConnell doesn't care what you think. You're not a Republican any more. McConnell is purely focused on managing the political situation and keeping the Senate. He has little regard for what you consider right or wrong. It's how you get power like McConnell has. He has 73 million Republican Trump voters to manage to ensure the Republican Party isn't torn apart by in-fighting until the jackass is out of office. That's McConnell's focus.
I can't believe after all these years in America that you can't see how this stuff works. Your 61. You been watching these political games for decades.
RiverDog wrote:
50 million people armed to the teeth? Is your point so weak that you feel the need to exaggerate like that?
RiverDog wrote:50 million people armed to the teeth? Is your point so weak that you feel the need to exaggerate like that?
Hawktawk wrote:Yeah its actually a very strong point. I just do the math. 74 million give or take voted for trump. Id bet 90 % at least are gun owner Fox watcher Rush listeners and many consume ever further right conspiracy theories such as QAanon. Of that 74 million 70 something % have said they believe the election was stolen so that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 million armed people, yeah.Yes sir.And most I know have a gun safe bristling with assault weapons, high capacity magazines, multiple firearms by most 2nd amendment fanatics(the ones who think they should have zero oversight)
Hawktawk wrote:No I CAN see how it works and at 61 I've lived long enough to know it doesn't have to be this way and wasn't in the past. I know McConnel doesn't give a rip what i or anyone in and out of his party thinks. Its what Mitch thinks. He will meet his maker one day and it wont be pretty.Hes an evil power mad man, truly an enemy of the people.
I remember a thing called watergate. A president with some brilliant accomplishments,reelected in a landslide , a well spoken man with a sense of humor had the dignity to resign rather than force his own colleagues to vote him out of office. The crimes as i recall were primarily related to covering up a break in at a psychiatrists office. I think one potential article was misleading the american public (imagine that)and I believe siccing the IRS on an opponent.
These pale in comparison to trumps crimes in and out of office which are compounded by the day. The difference is there were guys like Howard Baker "what did the president know and when did he know it" who let him know he was leaving one way or another. They knew damn well what was going to happen to them next election but the country, the constitution, the rule of law was more important.Now we have Moscow Mitch who would defend trump if he walked out of the white house naked.
There was John Dean who turned states evidence and helped bring Nixon down. Trump has had at least 3 or 4 guys of the equivalent of John Dean in terms of proximity come forth but it doesn't matter anymore. only 27 Rs have acknowledged Bidens win a month after it was called. They are cowards, eunuchs, despicable excuses for human beings.
It's an embarrassment before a disbelieving world along with our catastrophic failure with the virus as Trump pays zero attention to it. Its placed america's national security at great risk.
I really dont need to be educated on how it used to be vs how it is. How it is is BS. Its not OK.It DOES matter what he says and doesn't say whether he cares or not. Not sure why it doesn't matter to everyone.
c_hawkbob wrote:Even if you reduce all those assumption by half that's still a massive force willing to take up arms against their own friends and neighbors. and those halved numbers don't look like all that great a stretch from down here.
Not a single Trump supporter I know is willing to take up arms agains their neighbors
c_hawkbob wrote:You're not down here.
c_hawkbob wrote:You're not down here.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Are you serious? How dumb can they be to think ripping up the country for a ridiculous jackass like Trump is a good idea? Even my Trump supporting buddies haven't reached that level of dumb yet. The closest is the guy buying guns because he's afraid that defunding the police is going to lead to increased crime that will require him to protect his home more effectively.
NorthHawk wrote:This is an interesting thread.
I can believe that people in differing areas of a vast country will come across pockets of concern for normal people.
If you just look at the numbers it could paint a dangerous picture.
Using your numbers that 70% of Trump voters think he was robbed of the election and let's for argument say 10% would go to the extreme, that means about 5 million
will be extremists and be ready to be violent. If of those 5 million 10% would actually take that step, it means about 500,000 people who are ready to take up arms.
With the advent of the Internet and ability for people to virtually gather and share views or arrange to meet in person, it becomes more dangerous for society. As
we've seen in some of the singular events, like the shootings in DC at the Senate baseball practice or the guy in Texas who shot up a Wal-Mart who came from a few
hundred miles, some of these people will travel a long way to commit their acts.
It has the potential to be a bad scene and maybe when Trump has lost the bully pulpit it will wane, but it might be a scary time.
How to mitigate their concerns especially from so called socialism? Flip the tax breaks so of the $1 Trillion cuts from Trump, instead of $250 Billion going to 350 million
people, and %750 Billion going to the hundreds of millionaires and billionaires, make it so anyone making less than $500,000 per year gets the max tax cut. This would mean
for many for every $100 they got in a tax break they would get $300; for every $1000 in a tax break they now get $3000.
I believe that by helping the average Trump supporter, it would take some of the vitriol out of the conversation. As well, it would act as a stimulus without adding to the
deficit as those under the $500,000 limit will for the most part spend the extra money on products locally which will help small and medium sized businesses the most. It's
not the full answer, but it might take some of the pressure off of this situation.
NorthHawk wrote:This is an interesting thread.
I can believe that people in differing areas of a vast country will come across pockets of concern for normal people.
If you just look at the numbers it could paint a dangerous picture.
Using your numbers that 70% of Trump voters think he was robbed of the election and let's for argument say 10% would go to the extreme, that means about 5 million
will be extremists and be ready to be violent. If of those 5 million 10% would actually take that step, it means about 500,000 people who are ready to take up arms.
With the advent of the Internet and ability for people to virtually gather and share views or arrange to meet in person, it becomes more dangerous for society. As
we've seen in some of the singular events, like the shootings in DC at the Senate baseball practice or the guy in Texas who shot up a Wal-Mart who came from a few
hundred miles, some of these people will travel a long way to commit their acts.
It has the potential to be a bad scene and maybe when Trump has lost the bully pulpit it will wane, but it might be a scary time.
How to mitigate their concerns especially from so called socialism? Flip the tax breaks so of the $1 Trillion cuts from Trump, instead of $250 Billion going to 350 million
people, and %750 Billion going to the hundreds of millionaires and billionaires, make it so anyone making less than $500,000 per year gets the max tax cut. This would mean
for many for every $100 they got in a tax break they would get $300; for every $1000 in a tax break they now get $3000.
I believe that by helping the average Trump supporter, it would take some of the vitriol out of the conversation. As well, it would act as a stimulus without adding to the
deficit as those under the $500,000 limit will for the most part spend the extra money on products locally which will help small and medium sized businesses the most. It's
not the full answer, but it might take some of the pressure off of this situation.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't think it is even 1%. I think the main concern is a handful of loons that might do something evil on a small scale. I hope the FBI is on top of that. I trust them to move as fast as possible on any scum looking to harm people in some show of "protest."
Hawktawk wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/09/oath-keepers-far-right-group-infiltrate-local-government-texas-443773
I hope you're more than right RD but it will be a miracle if nothing happens with this fomenting of sedition over a month after a clear defeat. Note the line about how LAW ENFORCEMENT,SOLDIERS and VETS are in this group.Kind of makes the point for antifa and BLM in a way doesn't it?
Hawktawk wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/09/oath-keepers-far-right-group-infiltrate-local-government-texas-443773
I hope you're more than right RD but it will be a miracle if nothing happens with this fomenting of sedition over a month after a clear defeat. Note the line about how LAW ENFORCEMENT,SOLDIERS and VETS are in this group.Kind of makes the point for antifa and BLM in a way doesn't it?
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