Trump Lawyer Advocating Murder

[RiverDog]

I'm wondering if law enforcement plans on paying a visit to this individual:

A lawyer for President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign said Chris Krebs — the former U.S. cybersecurity chief who defended the integrity of the 2020 election — should be executed.

In a Monday interview on “The Howie Carr Show,” Joe diGenova, part of the Trump campaign’s legal team, called Krebs a “moron” for saying the election was secure and said he should be killed.

“Anybody who thinks that this election went well like that idiot Krebs who used to be the head of cybersecurity — that guy is a class A moron,” he told Carr. “He should be drawn and quartered, taken out a dawn and shot.”

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nat ... 23500.html

I saw Krebs in an interview with Savanah Guthrie this morning and he is definitely planning on suing this individual. I'm also wondering what kind of laws he is breaking, if saying "should be" is a direct enough threat to be considered credible. The actions being advocated are certainly very specific.

[Aseahawkfan]

What in the hell is wrong with some of these people? Is Trump the anti-Christ or something that he can make these people say such stupid things as a show of loyalty? What's next? He going to inspire his followers to suicide bomb people in protest or something crazy.

[RiverDog]

What in the hell is wrong with some of these people? Is Trump the anti-Christ or something that he can make these people say such stupid things as a show of loyalty? What's next? He going to inspire his followers to suicide bomb people in protest or something crazy.

My jaw literally dropped when I saw that quote this morning. This is getting really bizarre, almost surreal. January 20th can't come soon enough.

[c_hawkbob]

Now they are actually advocating "a shooting civil war":

“today, the current threat to the United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history — including the civil war.” Later on, the letter returns to the divide over the election results and cites recent reports of record gun sales in the U.S., stating that, “without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent.”

This sh!t needs to be put down hard, right now! It's sedition now, if they get their way it will be treason (even by your standards Riv) and Trump is neck deep in it!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-backer ... 46889.html

[RiverDog]

Now they are actually advocating "a shooting civil war":

“today, the current threat to the United States by the international and domestic socialist/communist left is much more serious than anything Lincoln or our nation has faced in its history — including the civil war.” Later on, the letter returns to the divide over the election results and cites recent reports of record gun sales in the U.S., stating that, “without a fair vote, we fear, with good reason, the threat of a shooting civil war is imminent.”

This sh!t needs to be put down hard, right now! It's sedition now, if they get their way it will be treason (even by your standards Riv) and Trump is neck deep in it!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-backer ... 46889.html

I disagree that your quote amounts to an advocation of a shooting war. The quote says that they 'fear' that "the threat of a shooting war is imminent." Saying they 'fear' one doesn't sound too threatening to me. In addition, it doesn't say that a shooting war is imminent, only that the threat of one is. It may be just a matter of semantics and the context it was said in could make a difference, but that seems more to me like a prediction than a threat. But I agree 100% that it has to stop. At the very least, they need to be paid a visit by some men in black suits and have a very wary eye kept focused on them.

[c_hawkbob]

BS! Even putting it out there in the current atmosphere, with the Proud Boys "standing by" and Trump suggesting that his "second amendment people" can "do something", amounts to a call to arms for these idiots and they damn well know it.

You go ahead and be fine with whatever they do right up until the shooting starts, I'm not!

[RiverDog]

BS! Even putting it out there in the current atmosphere, with the Proud Boys "standing by" and Trump suggesting that his "second amendment people" can "do something", amounts to a call to arms for these idiots and they damn well know it.

You go ahead and be fine with whatever they do right up until the shooting starts, I'm not!

I am not fine with it! Please quit putting words into my mouth! Did I not say that "I agree 100% that it has to stop. At the very least, they need to be paid a visit by some men in black suits and have a very wary eye kept focused on them?

My only point was that I do not think that it qualifies as a direct threat, certainly not on the same level as saying someone should be "drawn, quartered, and taken out and shot."

[I-5]

Where are the strong mature republican leaders calling this out, and how has it come this far? Not that I'm surprised.

[RiverDog]

Where are the strong mature republican leaders calling this out, and how has it come this far? Not that I'm surprised.

Some have. Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana is one Republican that has condemned the comments and called on the POTUS to condemn them as well. He recalled the Republican softball game where Rep. Steve Scalise was shot to highlight the fact that the danger is real. But not nearly enough of them have, and I don't understand it. Calling out remarks like that is a no brainer, like condemning the Devil. Any rational person would condemn those remarks, and shame on the Republicans for not coming out more forcefully than they have.

Joe diGenova, the Trump lawyer that made the comments, is backing away from them today, claiming that he was being sarcastic and that he wishes Krebs no harm. I don't buy that for a second. The man is an experienced attorney and should know better. Besides, you don't need to be an attorney to know the difference between right and wrong.

[I-5]

There are a lot of big republican names missing in your example, which is what I'm saying.

Saying something incendiary, then backing away the next day is something they've all learned, we've all learned, from the fool in the WH. I wish we could take him out immediately, as he is doing as much harm as he can til inauguration day, and I don't see it stopping.

[Aseahawkfan]

There are a lot of big republican names missing in your example, which is what I'm saying.

Saying something incendiary, then backing away the next day is something they've all learned, we've all learned, from the fool in the WH. I wish we could take him out immediately, as he is doing as much harm as he can til inauguration day, and I don't see it stopping.

What do you mean? McConnell has acknowledged the new administration. Even William Barr said he found no election fraud. Mitt Romney and a few others congratulated Biden. Republican governors were giving Biden updates behind the scenes. Trump finally gave his approval to start the transfer of power. You think Republican leaders didn't tell him to start it or else?

About the only courtesy they are giving Trump right now is not arguing with him in public, which is a very Republican way of business. Do not let the dirty laundry out in public. But don't worry, they let him know. It's why he's moving, even while he's whining.

All the people acting like psychopaths are not Republican power leaders. They are Trump sycophants.

Don't worry. Republicans are keeping the jackass under control behind the scenes. And after December 14th, the controls on him will get even stronger.

[RiverDog]

There are a lot of big republican names missing in your example, which is what I'm saying.

Agreed, and I think I said as much. As a conservative, it's a huge embarrassment that more conservatives haven't come out and said something. My only explanation is that everyone is laying low due to the Senate elections in Georgia, but that's a piss poor excuse IMO.

Saying something incendiary, then backing away the next day is something they've all learned, we've all learned, from the fool in the WH. I wish we could take him out immediately, as he is doing as much harm as he can til inauguration day, and I don't see it stopping.

Saying something incendiary and backing off the next day didn't start with Trump, but he's certainly been the most egregious and has made it a lot more acceptable to engage in that kind of behavior. He's lowered the bar.

I wish we never elected him, but that's beside the point.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-ele ... SKBN28H137

Georgia elections officials (republicans) are being threatened. The sec of states wife has been receiving sexually charged threats on her personal cell phone. I've unfriended several Trump supporters who I've always considered great people because they are indeed advocating a shooting war over this election on social media.

This is an evil satanic cult straight outta the pit of hell. Good people, very good people can get sucked in to a cult but once they start supporting continuously unacceptable unamerican conduct as OK they ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE ANYMORE. The 50 million or so americans and 245 congressmen in the R party supporting this assault on america are evil, unpatriotic people.

[c_hawkbob]

Why were these protesters not rounded up and jailed? This is the type of sh!t that can get real bad real fast if not dealt with immediately.

[Hawktawk]

What do you mean? McConnell has acknowledged the new administration. Even William Barr said he found no election fraud. Mitt Romney and a few others congratulated Biden. Republican governors were giving Biden updates behind the scenes. Trump finally gave his approval to start the transfer of power. You think Republican leaders didn't tell him to start it or else?

About the only courtesy they are giving Trump right now is not arguing with him in public, which is a very Republican way of business. Do not let the dirty laundry out in public. But don't worry, they let him know. It's why he's moving, even while he's whining.

All the people acting like psychopaths are not Republican power leaders. They are Trump sycophants.

Don't worry. Republicans are keeping the jackass under control behind the scenes. And after December 14th, the controls on him will get even stronger.

You're undercooking this by quite a bit. McConnells conduct is despicable. He's not acknowledged Biden won a single time by directly saying that his supposed good friend Biden has won or is the president elect or god forbid congratulating a guy he's supposedly going to work with the next 4 years. His mealy mouthed "there will be an orderly transition and WHAT WE SAY has very little to do with it" is a lie.

It matters greatly that there is deafening silence from our republican leaders when the president is using the trappings of his office to commit out and out sedition on a daily basis, poison american minds in ways that cannot be healed, creating hazardous conditions for poll workers who are literally being tracked down along with members of their families . Mcconnell is a senate majority leader who keeps a pretty tight rein on his caucus. If he would have done the right thing, the courteous thing, the american thing his senate would likely mostly fall in line.

Its despicable conduct by a failed psychotic president being enabled by the overwhelming MAJORITY of the party leadership at a perilous time for america. I know lots of people want republican control of the senate but no longer me. McConnell deserves to rot in hell, not have the reigns of power in this country a single minute longer.Hes one of the most despicable sleazy political animals I've ever seen.

Trumps nuts, he cant help himself. McConnell knows what's the right thing to do. Senator Ron Johnson was caught on a phone call last week saying everyone knows Biden won, Trump is an asshole but saying it publicly is career suicide.But publicly Johnson is actually FANNING THE FLAMES.

I've never seen anything like this in 61 years of life. Trash america down the dumpster and throw a match in it to save your GD political hide

[RiverDog]

Why were these protesters not rounded up and jailed? This is the type of sh!t that can get real bad real fast if not dealt with immediately.

Probably because they were taking their cues from the pols that didn't round up and jail the protesters this summer in places like Portland and Seattle. I'm not sure what the difference is between marching on the personal residence of the Mayor of Seattle and the acts described above.

[Hawktawk]

Probably because they were taking their cues from the pols that didn't round up and jail the protesters this summer in places like Portland and Seattle. I'm not sure what the difference is between marching on the personal residence of the Mayor of Seattle and the acts described above.

Excuse me? These are armed protesters in a fanatical cult packing heat surrounding an elections official with her kids in her private residence. Nobody cared for the violent protests after all the police brutality last year but at least they had something legitimate to protest. And with a president who was a fascist wanna be and more cops all the time found to be involved with QAanon and proud boys they fomented the violence much like trump and the same cast of actors is fomenting this violence.

It became a protest of him with his comments and especially lafayette square. My guess is if and when Biden gest sworn in the inner city violence involving excessive force killings will calm down. I never saw protests last more than a few weeks under Obama.

These guys are trying to overturn a not very close presidential election with intimidation of government officials based on armed force. way different deal.Most cops are pro trump and will probably look the other way until someone gets killed.

[RiverDog]

Probably because they were taking their cues from the pols that didn't round up and jail the protesters this summer in places like Portland and Seattle. I'm not sure what the difference is between marching on the personal residence of the Mayor of Seattle and the acts described above.

Excuse me? These are armed protesters in a fanatical cult packing heat surrounding an elections official with her kids in her private residence. Nobody cared for the violent protests after all the police brutality last year but at least they had something legitimate to protest. And with a president who was a fascist wanna be and more cops all the time found to be involved with QAanon and proud boys they fomented the violence much like trump and the same cast of actors is fomenting this violence.

It became a protest of him with his comments and especially lafayette square. My guess is if and when Biden gest sworn in the inner city violence involving excessive force killings will calm down. I never saw protests last more than a few weeks under Obama.

These guys are trying to overturn a not very close presidential election with intimidation of government officials based on armed force. way different deal.Most cops are pro trump and will probably look the other way until someone gets killed.

It doesn't matter what people are protesting. When they pursue public officials to their private residence the police should immediately break up the protest and protect the lives of private citizens and their property. I see no difference in protesters gathering outside the MI election official's home and protesters gathering outside of Mayor Durkin's home last summer. Both are a direct threat to their personal safety and that of their families and it should not be tolerated. If they do not disperse immediately they should be arrested and jailed.

My point is that we should be outraged at all of these incidents, and there were plenty this past summer, the aforementioned Mayor of Seattle being just one. For some reason, our elected officials have developed this tolerance of protesters threatening law abiding private citizens and their property.

As far as most cops being Trump supporters and willfully putting people's lives at risk by looking the other way, nothing could be further from the truth. Most cops are dedicated public servants that risk their lives to protect the citizens they serve. It's the politicians.... the mayors and governors...that make the call, not the cops on the ground.

[Aseahawkfan]

And taking over 6 city blocks in Seattle while the governor of Washington State and the Mayor of Seattle act like it's no big thing that a police precinct was driven out of Seattle by protesters. But Hawktawk's ok when that happens because they weren't Trump supporters. Where was his vitriol when citizens were being attacked by protesters in Seattle and Portland? Where was his patriotism?

The fact is that the current politicians on both sides have allowed this cancel culture, violent protests, and the like to get out of hand on their watches. It should never be allowed by either sides protesters to engage in violence like taking over city blocks, fire bombing police precincts, shooting cops, threatening election officials, or any of this trash.

[Aseahawkfan]

You're undercooking this by quite a bit. McConnells conduct is despicable. He's not acknowledged Biden won a single time by directly saying that his supposed good friend Biden has won or is the president elect or god forbid congratulating a guy he's supposedly going to work with the next 4 years. His mealy mouthed "there will be an orderly transition and WHAT WE SAY has very little to do with it" is a lie.

It matters greatly that there is deafening silence from our republican leaders when the president is using the trappings of his office to commit out and out sedition on a daily basis, poison american minds in ways that cannot be healed, creating hazardous conditions for poll workers who are literally being tracked down along with members of their families . Mcconnell is a senate majority leader who keeps a pretty tight rein on his caucus. If he would have done the right thing, the courteous thing, the american thing his senate would likely mostly fall in line.

Its despicable conduct by a failed psychotic president being enabled by the overwhelming MAJORITY of the party leadership at a perilous time for america. I know lots of people want republican control of the senate but no longer me. McConnell deserves to rot in hell, not have the reigns of power in this country a single minute longer.Hes one of the most despicable sleazy political animals I've ever seen.

Trumps nuts, he cant help himself. McConnell knows what's the right thing to do. Senator Ron Johnson was caught on a phone call last week saying everyone knows Biden won, Trump is an asshole but saying it publicly is career suicide.But publicly Johnson is actually FANNING THE FLAMES.

I've never seen anything like this in 61 years of life. Trash america down the dumpster and throw a match in it to save your GD political hide

The fact is that McConnell is right and Trump gets to pursue all legal avenues until December 14th when the electoral vote is taken. McConnell doesn't care what you think. You're not a Republican any more. McConnell is purely focused on managing the political situation and keeping the Senate. He has little regard for what you consider right or wrong. It's how you get power like McConnell has. He has 73 million Republican Trump voters to manage to ensure the Republican Party isn't torn apart by in-fighting until the jackass is out of office. That's McConnell's focus.

I can't believe after all these years in America that you can't see how this stuff works. Your 61. You been watching these political games for decades.

[Hawktawk]

And taking over 6 city blocks in Seattle while the governor of Washington State and the Mayor of Seattle act like it's no big thing that a police precinct was driven out of Seattle by protesters. But Hawktawk's ok when that happens because they weren't Trump supporters. Where was his vitriol when citizens were being attacked by protesters in Seattle and Portland? Where was his patriotism?

The fact is that the current politicians on both sides have allowed this cancel culture, violent protests, and the like to get out of hand on their watches. It should never be allowed by either sides protesters to engage in violence like taking over city blocks, fire bombing police precincts, shooting cops, threatening election officials, or any of this trash.

I said nobody liked it, certainly not me. Not Biden either who said "rioting is not protesting". I completely agree these people should have been rounded up sooner at the state and local level, but Trump sending in masked stormtroopers to attack and kidnap activists in unmarked vans , eavesdrop electronically on their communications turbocharged the protests.When you say your anti fascist and the president a fascist nobody is ever going to back off. Polls show the two mens approach to the protests helped Biden in the voting. The other guys been dumping gas on the fire for 4 years and you can't deny it, never more than this year.

Regardless there is a huge difference between a rag tag band of thugs tearing it up with proud boys and vandalizing stuff in some liberal outhouse and convincing 50 million people armed to the teeth the election was stolen. And now armed trumpanzees are hunting down and menacing patriotic americans doing a thankless job. They are openly advocating a shooting war.

No comparison whatever other than both are illegal.This is far more dangerous for the entire future of the nation.

[RiverDog]

I said nobody liked it, certainly not me.

You also said at least they had something legitimate to protest and Most cops are pro trump and will probably look the other way until someone gets killed. That indicates a dramatic difference in your position between the two factions and that it's being driven by your political POV.

Not Biden either who said "rioting is not protesting".

Biden is not in a position of authority, so he can say just about anything. The problem is that those that are/were in positions of authority, with police departments and national guard units at their command, mostly Democrats, stood by and let the violence, looting, and vandalism go unchecked for months. Additionally, one can argue that it was the tepid response to that violence that emboldened the far right wing groups and led them to believe that it was now OK to commit acts of violence and threaten public officials. IMO it's one of the reasons why this election, which everybody and their dog thought was going to be a landslide, was as close as it was and why the Dems fared so poorly in the down ballot contests. Whether it's fair or not, there were a lot of people that hung the label of being weak on law and order around Biden's, and the Dems in general, necks.

Regardless there is a huge difference between a rag tag band of thugs tearing it up with proud boys and vandalizing stuff in some liberal outhouse and convincing 50 million people armed to the teeth the election was stolen. And now armed trumpanzees are hunting down and menacing patriotic americans doing a thankless job. They are openly advocating a shooting war.

No comparison whatever other than both are illegal.This is far more dangerous for the entire future of the nation.

50 million people armed to the teeth? Is your argument so weak that you feel the need to exaggerate like that?

[Hawktawk]

The fact is that McConnell is right and Trump gets to pursue all legal avenues until December 14th when the electoral vote is taken. McConnell doesn't care what you think. You're not a Republican any more. McConnell is purely focused on managing the political situation and keeping the Senate. He has little regard for what you consider right or wrong. It's how you get power like McConnell has. He has 73 million Republican Trump voters to manage to ensure the Republican Party isn't torn apart by in-fighting until the jackass is out of office. That's McConnell's focus.

I can't believe after all these years in America that you can't see how this stuff works. Your 61. You been watching these political games for decades.

No I CAN see how it works and at 61 I've lived long enough to know it doesn't have to be this way and wasn't in the past. I know McConnel doesn't give a rip what i or anyone in and out of his party thinks. Its what Mitch thinks. He will meet his maker one day and it wont be pretty.Hes an evil power mad man, truly an enemy of the people.

I remember a thing called watergate. A president with some brilliant accomplishments,reelected in a landslide , a well spoken man with a sense of humor had the dignity to resign rather than force his own colleagues to vote him out of office. The crimes as i recall were primarily related to covering up a break in at a psychiatrists office. I think one potential article was misleading the american public (imagine that)and I believe siccing the IRS on an opponent.


These pale in comparison to trumps crimes in and out of office which are compounded by the day. The difference is there were guys like Howard Baker "what did the president know and when did he know it" who let him know he was leaving one way or another. They knew damn well what was going to happen to them next election but the country, the constitution, the rule of law was more important.Now we have Moscow Mitch who would defend trump if he walked out of the white house naked.
There was John Dean who turned states evidence and helped bring Nixon down. Trump has had at least 3 or 4 guys of the equivalent of John Dean in terms of proximity come forth but it doesn't matter anymore. only 27 Rs have acknowledged Bidens win a month after it was called. They are cowards, eunuchs, despicable excuses for human beings.

It's an embarrassment before a disbelieving world along with our catastrophic failure with the virus as Trump pays zero attention to it. Its placed america's national security at great risk.

I really dont need to be educated on how it used to be vs how it is. How it is is BS. Its not OK.It DOES matter what he says and doesn't say whether he cares or not. Not sure why it doesn't matter to everyone.

[Hawktawk]

50 million people armed to the teeth? Is your point so weak that you feel the need to exaggerate like that?

Yeah its actually a very strong point. I just do the math. 74 million give or take voted for trump. Id bet 90 % at least are gun owner Fox watcher Rush listeners and many consume ever further right conspiracy theories such as QAanon. Of that 74 million 70 something % have said they believe the election was stolen so that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 million armed people, yeah.Yes sir.And most I know have a gun safe bristling with assault weapons, high capacity magazines, multiple firearms by most 2nd amendment fanatics(the ones who think they should have zero oversight)

Would they really take to the streets? who the hell knows. Id never have believed any american would put up with this at this point.

[c_hawkbob]

Even if you reduce all those assumption by half that's still a massive force willing to take up arms against their own friends and neighbors. and those halved numbers don't look like all that great a stretch from down here.

[RiverDog]

50 million people armed to the teeth? Is your point so weak that you feel the need to exaggerate like that?

Yeah its actually a very strong point. I just do the math. 74 million give or take voted for trump. Id bet 90 % at least are gun owner Fox watcher Rush listeners and many consume ever further right conspiracy theories such as QAanon. Of that 74 million 70 something % have said they believe the election was stolen so that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-50 million armed people, yeah.Yes sir.And most I know have a gun safe bristling with assault weapons, high capacity magazines, multiple firearms by most 2nd amendment fanatics(the ones who think they should have zero oversight)

OK, let's do the math. Surveys show that about 3 out of 10 adults in the United States own a gun:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... ed-states/

There are aprox. 280 million American adults. 30% of 280 is 84 million people, so in order for you to get to your "50 million armed to the teeth" statement, you'd have to assume not only that 60% of those people are more heavily armed than a person like me that has a 12 gauge shotgun for hunting pheasants, those that have a .22 for shooting squirrels and tin cans, or a .38 for self defense, not exactly "armed to the teeth", you'd also have to assume that they are as politically inclined as you are claiming them to be and willing to take up a cause such as overthrowing an election. Your statement is preposterous.

[Aseahawkfan]

No I CAN see how it works and at 61 I've lived long enough to know it doesn't have to be this way and wasn't in the past. I know McConnel doesn't give a rip what i or anyone in and out of his party thinks. Its what Mitch thinks. He will meet his maker one day and it wont be pretty.Hes an evil power mad man, truly an enemy of the people.

I remember a thing called watergate. A president with some brilliant accomplishments,reelected in a landslide , a well spoken man with a sense of humor had the dignity to resign rather than force his own colleagues to vote him out of office. The crimes as i recall were primarily related to covering up a break in at a psychiatrists office. I think one potential article was misleading the american public (imagine that)and I believe siccing the IRS on an opponent.


These pale in comparison to trumps crimes in and out of office which are compounded by the day. The difference is there were guys like Howard Baker "what did the president know and when did he know it" who let him know he was leaving one way or another. They knew damn well what was going to happen to them next election but the country, the constitution, the rule of law was more important.Now we have Moscow Mitch who would defend trump if he walked out of the white house naked.
There was John Dean who turned states evidence and helped bring Nixon down. Trump has had at least 3 or 4 guys of the equivalent of John Dean in terms of proximity come forth but it doesn't matter anymore. only 27 Rs have acknowledged Bidens win a month after it was called. They are cowards, eunuchs, despicable excuses for human beings.

It's an embarrassment before a disbelieving world along with our catastrophic failure with the virus as Trump pays zero attention to it. Its placed america's national security at great risk.

I really dont need to be educated on how it used to be vs how it is. How it is is BS. Its not OK.It DOES matter what he says and doesn't say whether he cares or not. Not sure why it doesn't matter to everyone.

No, you don't remember. Or you haven't bothered to read or you're willfully omitting the past. Nixon was pardoned by a VP he put in there specifically to pardon him for spying on opponents to win an election. Clinton lied on a witness stand and was not removed from office. Kennedy derailed the Bay of Pigs invasion to retake Cuba because he didn't agree with it. Oliver North took the hit on the Iran-Contra hearings so Bush and Reagan didn't have to for their corrupt dealings with the Salvadoran rebels that killed schoolchildren.

You willfully overlook past presidents actions because you like them and they were more polite and subtle than the Narcissistic Jackass. But make no mistake, Trump ain't worse, he's just dumber and less subtle. He don't have the juice to do what needs to get done and he's losing his mind.

The only substantial difference between then and now is Trump's big mouth and stupidity. If he weren't so dumb and loud, all of this would be getting swept under the carpet as both parties have done many times for their presidents and prominent politicians in the past.

But Trump is too damn stupid to manage things at this level. Too damn loud. And absolutely pathetic politician who thinks he can get his way because he has money like he's always done. Surprise, surprise Trump. There are lots of rich and powerful people involved in politics and they're going to push back on your sorry ass. He's all done and he can't stand it. I bet his remaining sycophants are trying to appease him with this 2024 BS that is never going to happen. Mark my words the Republican power brokers won't let that narcissistic jackass within sniffing distance of the nomination again. Trump is done.

[Aseahawkfan]

Even if you reduce all those assumption by half that's still a massive force willing to take up arms against their own friends and neighbors. and those halved numbers don't look like all that great a stretch from down here.

Not a single Trump supporter I know is willing to take up arms agains their neighbors. Whine a lot? Sure, but not take up arms. And I know a lot of Trump supporters. Sideline cheerleaders the majority of them with no backbone.

These groups are just small groups looking to grandstand. My main hope is they don't do some insane evil before it's done.

I don't worry about large uprising. It's the mass shooter nutjobs I worry about.

[c_hawkbob]

Not a single Trump supporter I know is willing to take up arms agains their neighbors

You're not down here.

[Aseahawkfan]

You're not down here.

Are you serious? How dumb can they be to think ripping up the country for a ridiculous jackass like Trump is a good idea? Even my Trump supporting buddies haven't reached that level of dumb yet. The closest is the guy buying guns because he's afraid that defunding the police is going to lead to increased crime that will require him to protect his home more effectively.

[RiverDog]

You're not down here.

Are you serious? How dumb can they be to think ripping up the country for a ridiculous jackass like Trump is a good idea? Even my Trump supporting buddies haven't reached that level of dumb yet. The closest is the guy buying guns because he's afraid that defunding the police is going to lead to increased crime that will require him to protect his home more effectively.

I have to agree with ASF. I don't know what it is that's causing you guys to become inflicted with it, but you certainly have a raging paranoia about the vast majority of Trump supporters.

[Hawktawk]

They are surrounding lawmakers house armed. Its already a problem and the electors dont vote for a few more days. Orange jackwagon has been bombarding republican state officials from every swing state he lost with personal phone calls demanding they appoint faithless electors. He's been telling his supporters they are victims, they were robbed. I've never seen anything like this and nobody has. But minds are being changed from approximately 3% of all voters who thought Biden won immediately after the saturday call by AP to around 70% of Trump voters believing he was robbed. I haven't checked with my best friend who is an avid trump supporter .The words Trump and Biden dont come up, I see him as reasonable.

My own brother who owns probably a couple dozen firearms has said it will be a shooting war. Several former facebook friends have advocated violence with firearms against the "socialists". As for pew research I've heard the number of gun owners in america is more like 180 million but they are not going to tell anyone from pew about it. 2nd amendment fanatics are some of the most paranoid people in the country in terms of identifying themselves as gun owners or being in some survey. The number of guns in america is over 300 million. I have one I inherited and nobody's ever interviewed me about it.Nobody but family knows I have it( and you now)

I'm honestly probably more with asea. Do I think there may be 50 million american gun owners who believe Trump lost? Yes.The more fervent, the more Trump party they are the more likely to own multiple firearms. Will they all go to the streets? Not likely but when this thing is done and over Im afraid some and maybe many will. And I have a hard time believing some fanatical Trump supporter isn't going to kill a poll worker or someone else involved with elections.Im paranoid for sure but id rather expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised than be a pollyanna.Im really worried about all of this.

[NorthHawk]

This is an interesting thread.
I can believe that people in differing areas of a vast country will come across pockets of concern for normal people.
If you just look at the numbers it could paint a dangerous picture.

Using your numbers that 70% of Trump voters think he was robbed of the election and let's for argument say 10% would go to the extreme, that means about 5 million
will be extremists and be ready to be violent. If of those 5 million 10% would actually take that step, it means about 500,000 people who are ready to take up arms.
With the advent of the Internet and ability for people to virtually gather and share views or arrange to meet in person, it becomes more dangerous for society. As
we've seen in some of the singular events, like the shootings in DC at the Senate baseball practice or the guy in Texas who shot up a Wal-Mart who came from a few
hundred miles, some of these people will travel a long way to commit their acts.

It has the potential to be a bad scene and maybe when Trump has lost the bully pulpit it will wane, but it might be a scary time.
How to mitigate their concerns especially from so called socialism? Flip the tax breaks so of the $1 Trillion cuts from Trump, instead of $250 Billion going to 350 million
people, and %750 Billion going to the hundreds of millionaires and billionaires, make it so anyone making less than $500,000 per year gets the max tax cut. This would mean
for many for every $100 they got in a tax break they would get $300; for every $1000 in a tax break they now get $3000.
I believe that by helping the average Trump supporter, it would take some of the vitriol out of the conversation. As well, it would act as a stimulus without adding to the
deficit as those under the $500,000 limit will for the most part spend the extra money on products locally which will help small and medium sized businesses the most. It's
not the full answer, but it might take some of the pressure off of this situation.

[Hawktawk]

https://theweek.com/speedreads/953930/a ... stop-steal
The hits keep a comin....Is this America anymore?

Trump called this a third world election. He's right but its 100% his fault. And yes north I heard an account of a black female state legislator from michigan who was part of the questioning of Giuliani and his witness. She's received hundreds of harassing calls,vulgar slurs. death threats, threats of lynching. She said the calls are coming to her personal cell and most are from OUT OF STATE. IMO its the national out of state bad actors stirring up the majority of problems in these swing states.None more than trump whose constant pressure and threats are exposing cracks in the unity of republican legislators in states Biden won.

Even the heroic Georgia Sec of state Brad Rafellsburger has adopted a pivot line blaming the mistrust in Georgia on Stacy Abrams Gov campaign who refused to concede to Brian Kemp for 10 days in 2012. Kemp of course had suppressed the black vote as a man in position of authority to do so, cutting I've hear in the tens of thousands from voter rolls in democratic areas.

Now he's Trumps whipping boy and even being called an idiot and a nut job by Trump he still pressures Raffelsberger to conduct a 4th hand signature audit count although he admits he doesn't have that authority. I agree Abrams looked bad, she knew what the voter rolls were when the vote happened. But cmon man? a ten day holdout with a concession compared with a defeated President calling republicans like him the enemy of the people. Fires off phone calls asking state pols to commit illegal acts?

At least Krebs is fighting back https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... ld-be-shot

[Aseahawkfan]

This is an interesting thread.
I can believe that people in differing areas of a vast country will come across pockets of concern for normal people.
If you just look at the numbers it could paint a dangerous picture.

Using your numbers that 70% of Trump voters think he was robbed of the election and let's for argument say 10% would go to the extreme, that means about 5 million
will be extremists and be ready to be violent. If of those 5 million 10% would actually take that step, it means about 500,000 people who are ready to take up arms.
With the advent of the Internet and ability for people to virtually gather and share views or arrange to meet in person, it becomes more dangerous for society. As
we've seen in some of the singular events, like the shootings in DC at the Senate baseball practice or the guy in Texas who shot up a Wal-Mart who came from a few
hundred miles, some of these people will travel a long way to commit their acts.

It has the potential to be a bad scene and maybe when Trump has lost the bully pulpit it will wane, but it might be a scary time.
How to mitigate their concerns especially from so called socialism? Flip the tax breaks so of the $1 Trillion cuts from Trump, instead of $250 Billion going to 350 million
people, and %750 Billion going to the hundreds of millionaires and billionaires, make it so anyone making less than $500,000 per year gets the max tax cut. This would mean
for many for every $100 they got in a tax break they would get $300; for every $1000 in a tax break they now get $3000.
I believe that by helping the average Trump supporter, it would take some of the vitriol out of the conversation. As well, it would act as a stimulus without adding to the
deficit as those under the $500,000 limit will for the most part spend the extra money on products locally which will help small and medium sized businesses the most. It's
not the full answer, but it might take some of the pressure off of this situation.

I don't think it is even 1%. I think the main concern is a handful of loons that might do something evil on a small scale. I hope the FBI is on top of that. I trust them to move as fast as possible on any scum looking to harm people in some show of "protest."

[RiverDog]

This is an interesting thread.
I can believe that people in differing areas of a vast country will come across pockets of concern for normal people.
If you just look at the numbers it could paint a dangerous picture.

Using your numbers that 70% of Trump voters think he was robbed of the election and let's for argument say 10% would go to the extreme, that means about 5 million
will be extremists and be ready to be violent. If of those 5 million 10% would actually take that step, it means about 500,000 people who are ready to take up arms.
With the advent of the Internet and ability for people to virtually gather and share views or arrange to meet in person, it becomes more dangerous for society. As
we've seen in some of the singular events, like the shootings in DC at the Senate baseball practice or the guy in Texas who shot up a Wal-Mart who came from a few
hundred miles, some of these people will travel a long way to commit their acts.

It has the potential to be a bad scene and maybe when Trump has lost the bully pulpit it will wane, but it might be a scary time.
How to mitigate their concerns especially from so called socialism? Flip the tax breaks so of the $1 Trillion cuts from Trump, instead of $250 Billion going to 350 million
people, and %750 Billion going to the hundreds of millionaires and billionaires, make it so anyone making less than $500,000 per year gets the max tax cut. This would mean
for many for every $100 they got in a tax break they would get $300; for every $1000 in a tax break they now get $3000.
I believe that by helping the average Trump supporter, it would take some of the vitriol out of the conversation. As well, it would act as a stimulus without adding to the
deficit as those under the $500,000 limit will for the most part spend the extra money on products locally which will help small and medium sized businesses the most. It's
not the full answer, but it might take some of the pressure off of this situation.

I don't think it is even 1%. I think the main concern is a handful of loons that might do something evil on a small scale. I hope the FBI is on top of that. I trust them to move as fast as possible on any scum looking to harm people in some show of "protest."

Way less than 1% IMO.

There were over 74 million people that voted for Trump. 1% is 740,000, and I don't think there's anywhere close to that number that would go to such extreme measures.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... xas-443773

I hope you're more than right RD but it will be a miracle if nothing happens with this fomenting of sedition over a month after a clear defeat. Note the line about how LAW ENFORCEMENT,SOLDIERS and VETS are in this group.Kind of makes the point for antifa and BLM in a way doesn't it?

[c_hawkbob]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/09/oath-keepers-far-right-group-infiltrate-local-government-texas-443773

I hope you're more than right RD but it will be a miracle if nothing happens with this fomenting of sedition over a month after a clear defeat. Note the line about how LAW ENFORCEMENT,SOLDIERS and VETS are in this group.Kind of makes the point for antifa and BLM in a way doesn't it?

And it ain't just the Oathkeepers, there are far right gun carrying nutjob groups like that all over the country (though I suspect much more here than out west, except maybe Idaho and Utah). It is an attitude that is pervasive in red states. These people are ready to start shooting on a word from Trump. You can downplay it and deny it all you want but you don't live among it.

Look, I'm 90% sure Biden will be inaugurated and things will calm down in due course, but that 10% possibility of sh!t going sideways that I see is not just paranoia.

[RiverDog]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/09/oath-keepers-far-right-group-infiltrate-local-government-texas-443773

I hope you're more than right RD but it will be a miracle if nothing happens with this fomenting of sedition over a month after a clear defeat. Note the line about how LAW ENFORCEMENT,SOLDIERS and VETS are in this group.Kind of makes the point for antifa and BLM in a way doesn't it?

You're looking at some random, fringe groups that have always existed. It does not indicate a general, grass roots uprising numbering in the millions as you fear. Do you remember these guys?

In April 1993, some 75 members of the millennial sect known as the Branch Davidians—including their messianic leader, David Koresh—perished in the blaze that destroyed their compound near Waco, Texas, after a 51-day siege by federal agents. The Branch Davidians fell from public view after the disastrous raid of their compound, but they still have a presence in Texas—and around the world.

And these folks?

On March 25, 1996, a “Christian Patriot” group called the Montana Freemen began an 81-day standoff with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

Or these lunatics?

On Aug. 31, 1992, white separatist Randy Weaver surrendered to the FBI, ending an 11-day standoff on Ruby Ridge in Idaho that left three people dead.

Or more recently, how about these folks?

Cliven Bundy, the patriarch of the Bundy family, said Tuesday the arrests of his two sons and a shootout between federal authorities and armed militia members who had been occupying an Oregon wildlife refuge was a “wake up call.”

“This will be a wake up call to America,” Mr. Bundy said in an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “This whole battle is over a constitutional issue where the federal government has no rights within the state or at least rights in a sovereign state.”

There exists a very small percentage of our population that are lunatics and rebels without a cause. They are not some kind of modern day Pied Piper attracting millions to dance merrily behind them as they push the country into a civil war.

[Hawktawk]

Those examples are not reflective of the situation now . Most of those groups were a fringe of a fringe , a fraction of the population . With this cult leader spewing lies to people brain dead enough to listen this is a 50 million strong group believing an election was stolen . That’s just a fact . Living in
Eastern Washington I know lots of people talking about going to the streets . I hope you and asea are right and it’s all talk but we never had a president tell white supremacists to stand back and stand by. Until now .