Aseahawkfan wrote:I bet McConnell and Thune are regretting not voting this PoS out of office when they had the chance.
I-5 wrote:Here's another one: Trump wielding his waning power to veto the bipartisan National Defense Authorization Act....this will only hurt the US, and help its enemies. Who is pulling this guy's strings? He probably doesn't even know what's in the bill. I have a guess...
I-5 wrote:Here's another one: Trump wielding his waning power to veto the bipartisan National Defense Authorization Act....this will only hurt the US, and help its enemies. Who is pulling this guy's strings? He probably doesn't even know what's in the bill. I have a guess...
Why do you think this guy who listens to no one but himself, not his family, not other Republicans, not his military, not anyone, listens to some foreign nation?
NorthHawk wrote:With Trump it's all about Ego and Money. If he lost his money he would be shattered and there's a case for the money pointing to Russia.
It might be a good idea to list what we know.
Trump couldn't get loans from western banks.
Eric Trump has openly stated they get most of their money from Russia.
There are loans through DeutcheBank.
It's been alleged that Russian Mafia has laundered money via DeutcheBank.
Putin controls the Russian Mafia.
Trump has loans of at least $400 million coming due soon and some have said his loans are more like $700 million to $1 Billion.
Trump has had secret meeting with Putin and acquiesces to Putin on a regular basis and to the detriment of the US and western world.
Trump is called "Our man in Washington" by the Russians.
Trump has an image of being very wealthy and successful. If Russia should pull the loans or threaten to foreclose on the Trump business,
that could be a lot of leverage against Trump and his sense of self as he is is business. There doesn't seem to be much to separate the two.
NorthHawk wrote:With Trump it's all about Ego and Money. If he lost his money he would be shattered and there's a case for the money pointing to Russia.
It might be a good idea to list what we know.
Trump couldn't get loans from western banks.
Eric Trump has openly stated they get most of their money from Russia.
There are loans through DeutcheBank.
It's been alleged that Russian Mafia has laundered money via DeutcheBank.
Putin controls the Russian Mafia.
Trump has loans of at least $400 million coming due soon and some have said his loans are more like $700 million to $1 Billion.
Trump has had secret meeting with Putin and acquiesces to Putin on a regular basis and to the detriment of the US and western world.
Trump is called "Our man in Washington" by the Russians.
Trump has an image of being very wealthy and successful. If Russia should pull the loans or threaten to foreclose on the Trump business,
that could be a lot of leverage against Trump and his sense of self as he is is business. There doesn't seem to be much to separate the two.
RiverDog wrote:I think that's a very plausible explanation. Ego, money, and sex are the only things that has ever motivated Donald Trump. We know he's not favoring them because they make good vodka.
RiverDog wrote:I think that's a very plausible explanation. Ego, money, and sex are the only things that has ever motivated Donald Trump. We know he's not favoring them because they make good vodka.
Aseahawkfan wrote:He's favoring them because he likes Russia. He likes going there and doing business there. Pretty simple. He's certainly not favoring them because they have some secret crap on him. Because if that got Trump to do what you wanted him to do, more than Putin would have him by the balls. He's done a lot of shady crap over the years. A lot of it has come out, he didn't seem to roll over for that. Not sure why he would roll over for any of it.
According to a new report, ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president declared martial law. ... Although experts do not believe the unprecedented move is possible, a report claims the military is still preparing for the unknown. According to a Newsweek exclusive story, the Pentagon is on red alert and ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president decided to declare martial law. One officer anonymously detailed the nature of the planning.
“I’ve been associated with the military for over 40 years and I’ve never seen the discussions that are being had right now, the need for such discussions,” the unidentified source said.
c_hawkbob wrote:Evidently HT isn't the only one that thinks that Trump could go completely off the rails and declare martial law:
"According to a new report, ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president declared martial law. ... Although experts do not believe the unprecedented move is possible, a report claims the military is still preparing for the unknown. According to a Newsweek exclusive story, the Pentagon is on red alert and ranking officers have discussed what they would do if the president decided to declare martial law. One officer anonymously detailed the nature of the planning.
“I’ve been associated with the military for over 40 years and I’ve never seen the discussions that are being had right now, the need for such discussions,” the unidentified source said."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/military-ale ... 00241.html
Crazy times.
c_hawkbob wrote:No, I do not recall anything close to the Pentagon being on red alert over concerns that Nixon might declare martial law. The whole Nixon situation never came close to this. And I even read Hunter S Thompson. In fact I see Trump as the embodiment of Hunter's worst case imaginings of Nixon.
I-5 wrote:I was 6 years old in 1973 when Nixon resigned, so I don't have any personal recollections about politics of that period or any talk of Martial Law. What was actually said during that time regarding Nixon and Martial Law? In hindsight, Watergate now seems like such a genial affair, although it almost brought down the country, and Nixon himself, although vilified, still had the class to say this after reluctantly accepting a full pardon from his successor Ford (though he didn't want to issue a full apology):
"I was wrong in not acting more decisively and more forthrightly in dealing with Watergate, particularly when it reached the stage of judicial proceedings and grew from a political scandal into a national tragedy. No words can describe the depth of my regret and pain at the anguish my mistakes over Watergate have caused the nation and the presidency, a nation I so deeply love, and an institution I so greatly respect."
c_hawkbob wrote:Nixon was the visible iceberg, Trump is what's lurking beneath.
It's my recollections of Nixon and Watergate, during a time that at least on the international front was much more precarious than it is today, that has caused me to be relatively confident that there are responsible people within the government that have inserted themselves to serve as a circuit breaker between Trump and an order that he might give that would declare that martial law be imposed.
Hawktawk wrote:The evidence of Trump being beholden to Russia is overwhelming . Not sure how some of the smartest people on this forum and elsewhere don’t see it .
Candidate Trump defended Putin . President Trump blessed the overthrow of Crimea that had occurred . He denied any involvement by Russia in his election.
Went as far as to throw Dan Coates and our intelligence community under the bus in Helsinki answering a reporters question about Putin’s involvement while standing next to the man . “ I know Dan Coats says he did it but he has denied it very strongly . I have no reason to believe he did it”. Coats says Putin has something on him . I think he’s got financial leverage and hes also got at least 1 tape of Trump with prostitutes in 2013 at the Moscow ritz Carlton . I’ve read articles suggesting he’s also on tape in St Petersburg . Dude is on Putin’s leash. He says nothing as Russia menaces unlike any time since the Cold War . His recent break with everyone on the planet regarding this hack just continues to confirm it. Stevie wonder can see it .
Hawktawk wrote:I think trump on film doing what’s alleged which is aquatic in nature , perverse, would at a minimum net him a divorce and utter humiliation. I believe it exists regardless of its value blackmail wise . I rely on the sworn testimony of long time bodyguard Keith Schiller who said trump was offered women by Russian officials . He said he told them “ we don’t do that “ he says he stood outside trumps door but not later at night . Then look at Trumps statement that he had not spent the night in Moscow when his flight manifest proved he did . Last I look at comeys testimony that Trump was obsessed with the allegation , repeatedly bringing it up in person and in phone calls . In a court of law it’s not enough . In the court of common sense and knowing the depravity of the man it’s most likely true .
Even if the story is true, it's not enough to cause Trump to behave like a puppet on a string like he's been doing over the past 4+ years. There has to be some other connection.
I-5 wrote:It's always always about the money, esp. with Trump. That's the only language he understands.
I-5 wrote:Yes, I was going to say ego as well...like the photo op with Kim Jong un. But with Putin, money makes more sense as you say. I wouldn't rule out some type of Kompromat either, though.
Had this occurred 4-5 years ago in 2016, I might have agreed that Putin had something embarrassing on Trump that represented at least one of the strings he uses to make Trump dance. But at this point, after all sorts of crapola regarding Trump, Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, and the 6 figure payoffs, there's not much left uncovered that could provide the shock value needed to project influence. Plus this is a 74 year old man we're talking about. I'd rule it out.
I-5 wrote:Oh, I wouldn't rule anything out myself. Hearing about a pee pee tape is a lot different than seeing the POTUS in one. You can bet there would be a ton of shock value if it did exist and came to the surface. Not holding my breath, though. And who says it has to be one thing? It can be many things.
Boy, that would be funny if the pee pee thing were true. I can see the click bait ads now: A poll that poses the question: Which Presidential act is more perverted, Trump watching women pee or Clinton using his cigar as a French tickler then tasting it. Cast your vote to see the results.
RiverDog wrote:
Boy, that would be funny if the pee pee thing were true. I can see the click bait ads now: A poll that poses the question: Which Presidential act is more perverted, Trump watching women pee or Clinton using his cigar as a French tickler then tasting it. Cast your vote to see the results.
RiverDog wrote:Boy, that would be funny if the pee pee thing were true. I can see the click bait ads now: A poll that poses the question: Which Presidential act is more perverted, Trump watching women pee or Clinton using his cigar as a French tickler then tasting it. Cast your vote to see the results.
Hawktawk wrote:Yikes Im trying to be kind of serious here RD I operate under the assumption it does. A guy who will grab a woman's privates without permission isn't going to turn down multiple russian hookers, not a chance.What does it mean for national security. It about a moot point now. Trumps helped putin all he can. Its more hindsight trying to figure out why he's been like this for 4 years..
RiverDog wrote:
Well, although I wouldn't characterized it as "grabbed", I've touched a woman's privates without their permission on a number of occasions. At times, I received a positive response, other times got my hand slapped. I mean, you don't normally ask a woman "do you mind if I touch your privates?" Does that prove that I'd never turn down multiple hookers?
But you're right about it being a moot point. With each passing day, Donald Trump becomes less and less relevant. These questions as to "who's pulling Trump's strings and why" will be left for historians to figure out.
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