c_hawkbob wrote:Cruz is a phony POS with blood on his own hands in this mess. He needs to go too.
c_hawkbob wrote:Cruz is a phony POS with blood on his own hands in this mess. He needs to go too.
Hawktawk wrote:Well I’m relieved the president is banned from social media including now Parler being dumped by google but he’s still got the nuclear football. Apparently the military brass has been discussing what to do if he tries to order military action or access launch codes . Pelosi and joint chief of staff Milley have had discussions about nukes.
Hawktawk wrote:This was an inside job IMO. There were people in law enforcement who knew what was coming and welcomed it . Not all but some . And with the tepid response probably a lot of them.
RiverDog wrote:But now that Biden has been certified as the winner, and Trump has since admitted that Biden will be taking office, Cruz is suddenly trying to pretend he’s always been anti-Trump
Ted Cruz said this to ABC, as documented by CNN: “The president’s language and rhetoric often goes too far. I think, yesterday in particular, the president’s language and rhetoric crossed the line and it was reckless … I disagree with it, and I have disagreed with the president’s language and rhetoric for the last four years.”
https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/t ... ils/35338/
I don't think we've heard Cruz say anything close to that since Trump was nominated.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Ted Cruz is pathetic. Weasel. Trump insulted his wife and he was Trump's sycophant. The guy's as two-faced a politician as they come.
RiverDog wrote:Perhaps. There certainly is evidence that it could have been. But I want to wait see what the investigation reveals. I've already heard some plausible explanations for some of the actions we saw.
NorthHawk wrote:You start by putting more money in their hands. That would take some wind out of their sails.
Do it by realigning the tax code so most of the tax breaks go to most of the people.
RiverDog wrote:Perhaps. There certainly is evidence that it could have been. But I want to wait see what the investigation reveals. I've already heard some plausible explanations for some of the actions we saw.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Doubt the police were helping as a whole, but I could see some of the Congress members setting this up. I heard more than a few were in the crowd "protesting" and helping lead the "revolution." Which is why the race baiting is so pathetic.
Aseahawkfan wrote:It's obvious this wasn't some protest the police or authorities allowed because of race. It was some kind of coordinated attack on the Capitol they weren't prepared for with possible inside help from members of Congress and maybe a few rogue police. These people thought they were revolting. I've seen multiple protesters state they thought they were starting some kind of revolution. It is very possible some members of Congress thought the same. Time will tell.
Aseahawkfan wrote:My bigger concern is where does this go from here. Do these revolutionaries become more emboldened by their attempt or less so? What is the Democratic vision of America to get them to believe America is not being pushed towards a tyrannical form of socialism? Are they going to start taking guns confirming their worst fears? What do you do to get millions of Americans that believe the Democrats are the boogey man destroying America to buy back into the country? We will see.
RiverDog wrote:Coming on the heels of Trump being permanently being banned by Twitter, Google has announced that it is removing the Parler, the app that has advertised itself as "Twitter without rules" and favored by many far right extremists, from its play store:
"We recognize that there can be reasonable debate about content policies and that it can be difficult for apps to immediately remove all violative content, but for us to distribute an app through Google Play, we do require that apps implement robust moderation for egregious content. In light of this ongoing and urgent public safety threat, we are suspending the app's listings from the Play Store until it addresses these issues."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/tech/par ... index.html
Apple may follow suit.
A couple more smaller social media platforms, Twitch and Snapchat, have also banned Trump's account at least through the 20th, and the e-commerce website Shopify has shut down all shops run by the Trump campaign and organization.
c_hawkbob wrote:Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
I-5 wrote:That’s pretty funny. And accurate.
Hawktawk wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/10/25-troops-under-investigation-terrorism-related-riot-capitol/6618295002/
It just looks worse and worse in America
RiverDog wrote:For the past 24 hours, I've been debating with others that can't seem to understand the difference between the 1st Amendment and a private company's right..companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon...and I would argue obligation, to prohibit content on their domain they deem in violation of their TOS and refuse to do business with whom ever they choose so long as they are not discriminating based on a protected status (race, gender, religion, country of origin, etc.). It's no different that Yoder giving the boot to a couple posters in this forum.
I'm not sure how these clowns got the idea that they have a right to essentially go stand on someone else's front lawn and say or do what ever suits them, but it reinforces my opinion that the major problem we face is that we are a country of morons that assume rights that they do not have.
If anything good is to come out of these past few days, it's that it has woke up a lot of these large tech giants and forced them to police their sites. I would prefer that private industry take the lead on this, as they are doing, in order to avoid the FCC having to step in and give credence to charges of government censorship and limiting free speech.
Aseahawkfan wrote:They think their 1st amendment rights carry over to private companies. They think Big Tech is in league with the Democrats to suppress free speech.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The problem I have with this is pushing them underground doesn't really make them stop. It just pushes them to arm up more, fuels their beliefs the Democrats and Big Tech are in league to oppress them, and pushes them to find alternatives to communicate their revolutionary ideas with further proof Big Tech and the Democrats are trying to oppress them. These actions are fueling their paranoia. I'm not sure that is a good thing.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Has social media reached a point where 1st Amendment protections should be extended or should Big Tech control the voices on their platform picking and choosing what is acceptable public conversation? If you're letting Democrats spread their political ideas on these platforms, it looks very bad when you're suppressing the other side from spreading their ideas given how ubiquitous social media has become as a voice for people.
RiverDog wrote:That's true, but at least it keeps them from recruiting more decibels, expanding their influence. This problem didn't exist 20 years ago before the internet started becoming more prevalent in our society.
That's going to be the big debate of the decade. My opinion is that the FCC needs to get more involved, just like they did when radio and TV hit the marketplace. There needs to be a set of ground rules for anyone that takes advantage of the public domain that is widely agreed upon.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
Does this really surprise you? Majority of military or former military members I know are Republican, conservative, and/or right leaning. Many of these militias and the like are populated with current and former members of the military.
You used to buy into the fear mongering against the Democrats. You should understand the psychology of right wing fear mongering as well as anyone on this board and what you used to believe the Democrats were doing to ruin the nation. These Trump followers still believe the Democrats are tyrants looking to take freedoms and ruin the nation.
Now when they see Big Tech banning Trump, it's making them feel even more that the Democrats and their Big Tech allies are oppressing them.
That's another reason I feel these organizations should be treading lightly. You continue to make it look like you're oppressing these people's free speech, it further drives them to think they need to revolt.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Does this really surprise you? Majority of military or former military members I know are Republican, conservative, and/or right leaning. Many of these militias and the like are populated with current and former members of the military.
You used to buy into the fear mongering against the Democrats. You should understand the psychology of right wing fear mongering as well as anyone on this board and what you used to believe the Democrats were doing to ruin the nation. These Trump followers still believe the Democrats are tyrants looking to take freedoms and ruin the nation.
Now when they see Big Tech banning Trump, it's making them feel even more that the Democrats and their Big Tech allies are oppressing them.
That's another reason I feel these organizations should be treading lightly. You continue to make it look like you're oppressing these people's free speech, it further drives them to think they need to revolt.
Hawktawk wrote:You're really sounding scary Asea. This is America. We settle our differences at the ballot box here. We did so last Nov when 81 million people voted far more to out trump than install Biden due to trump's extreme danger to the entire planet.
And 2,5 months later here we are. I watched an armed insurgency chock full of violent trumpanzees, hurting cops, beating them with flagpoles and trampling old glory and hijacking the term "patriot".It followed weeks of incendiary tweets, years actually, spreading lies including a whopper about a stolen election, COME TO DC ON THE 8TH,ITS GONNA BE WILD!!!!!!!!. WE have to shut the fascist and his fascist follower down. We are probably looking at extreme violence going forward either way, Screw these people. If they are going to be behave like subhuman POS cretins than they dont deserve a mouth piece or means to coordinate violence. The hell with them they can burn in hell with their messiah.
Hawktawk wrote:Only 55 arrests out of maybe 1500 people breaking stuff, packing heat, shooting off tear gas in the capitol building. Compare that to gassing, shooting rubber bullets, smashing peaceful protesters in the face with shields in lafayette square for a fascist display of Trump with a bible and arresting 300 of them to boot.
RiverDog wrote:There are only 55 arrests SO FAR. There's likely to be many more once they identify and locate those that were seen on various videos of the event. We're barely 24 hours past it.
The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official.
The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official.
Yeah, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I fear we won't make it to the 20th without more bloodshed.
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/fbi-mem ... wT4cRjG66Q
RiverDog wrote:I couldn't open the link. Here's another one:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp
We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.
We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.
We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.
I-5 wrote:I think you can expect it to be widespread - all 50 states. As far as large, who knows but my guess is the cul...I mean base has been whipped into enough frenzy that we should expect at least hundreds at each state capitol, and thousands in DC. And I do think the orgnizers want to goad the National Guard into firing their weapons, with the result being deaths on both sides...it would be 'good optics' for their civil war fantasies
I'm not trying to down play it, but neither do I think we should be reading more into the bulletin that what is there. "Planned" doesn't mean "imminent".
I'm not trying to down play it, but neither do I think we should be reading more into the bulletin that what is there. "Planned" doesn't mean "imminent".
I-5 wrote:Knowing the chatter the FBI is seeing about all 50 states, but not able to conclusively confirm the number of people that might arrive armed and dangerous...I'm curious how would you handle it if you were in charge of the national and state response, if you think some are reading more than what's there? What do you think is the 'more' part? Remember, there were people with guns and bombs on Jan 6, even if they weren't used and detonated. No one is going to issue a memo whether they will use them next time or not.
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