The Capitol Takeover

[c_hawkbob]

Cruz is a phony POS with blood on his own hands in this mess. He needs to go too.

[RiverDog]

Cruz is a phony POS with blood on his own hands in this mess. He needs to go too.

Agreed. He lost me a long time ago.

[Hawktawk]

Well I’m relieved the president is banned from social media including now Parler being dumped by google but he’s still got the nuclear football. Apparently the military brass has been discussing what to do if he tries to order military action or access launch codes . Pelosi and joint chief of staff Milley have had discussions about nukes . In other news a retired Air Force leutenant colonel was in the riot . 2 active duty Seattle PD are under investigation . All those who died other than the cop were far right extremists with web pages advocating a violent takeover , taking guns to the street etc. Some people had apparel saying storm the capital. The chatter online suggests this violence is far from over . There’s a million militia March planned for the capital and you can guess which day. In other news apparently Mike Pence had to coordinate with the DC police , fbi , state patrol and national guard as none including the DC police had authorization from the capital police . Trump was on a selfie from Donnie Jrs phone enjoying watching these goons assault the people’s house . This was a fraction of what I’ve researched in the last 24 hrs .

This was an inside job IMO. There were people in law enforcement who knew what was coming and welcomed it . Not all but some . And with the tepid response probably a lot of them.

I’ve said it before . There’s plenty of these kooks in law enforcement and the military . I’m no Antifa fan but this president and his fanatics make their point for them. Fascism is alive and well in America .

[Hawktawk]

Cruz is a phony POS with blood on his own hands in this mess. He needs to go too.

Lyin Ted Cruz. You are a piece of what your goons you helped trigger smeared on the walls of the us capital . Frankly you all deserve a firing squad . You need to STFU you have enabled this madman for years

[RiverDog]

Well I’m relieved the president is banned from social media including now Parler being dumped by google but he’s still got the nuclear football. Apparently the military brass has been discussing what to do if he tries to order military action or access launch codes . Pelosi and joint chief of staff Milley have had discussions about nukes.

What Miley told Pelosi was that there always has been safeguards in place that would prevent a scenario of which she described to him. From your own link:

She(Pelosi) said Milley assured her longstanding safeguards are in place.

https://abc7ny.com/nuclear-codes-mark-m ... y/9468427/

This was an inside job IMO. There were people in law enforcement who knew what was coming and welcomed it . Not all but some . And with the tepid response probably a lot of them.

Perhaps. There certainly is evidence that it could have been. But I want to wait see what the investigation reveals. I've already heard some plausible explanations for some of the actions we saw.

[Aseahawkfan]

But now that Biden has been certified as the winner, and Trump has since admitted that Biden will be taking office, Cruz is suddenly trying to pretend he’s always been anti-Trump

Ted Cruz said this to ABC, as documented by CNN: “The president’s language and rhetoric often goes too far. I think, yesterday in particular, the president’s language and rhetoric crossed the line and it was reckless … I disagree with it, and I have disagreed with the president’s language and rhetoric for the last four years.”

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/t ... ils/35338/

I don't think we've heard Cruz say anything close to that since Trump was nominated.

Ted Cruz is pathetic. Weasel. Trump insulted his wife and he was Trump's sycophant. The guy's as two-faced a politician as they come.

[RiverDog]

Ted Cruz is pathetic. Weasel. Trump insulted his wife and he was Trump's sycophant. The guy's as two-faced a politician as they come.

No argument there, but that wasn't my point.

[Aseahawkfan]

Perhaps. There certainly is evidence that it could have been. But I want to wait see what the investigation reveals. I've already heard some plausible explanations for some of the actions we saw.

Doubt the police were helping as a whole, but I could see some of the Congress members setting this up. I heard more than a few were in the crowd "protesting" and helping lead the "revolution." Which is why the race baiting is so pathetic. It's obvious this wasn't some protest the police or authorities allowed because of race. It was some kind of coordinated attack on the Capitol they weren't prepared for with possible inside help from members of Congress and maybe a few rogue police. These people thought they were revolting. I've seen multiple protesters state they thought they were starting some kind of revolution. It is very possible some members of Congress thought the same. Time will tell.

My bigger concern is where does this go from here. Do these revolutionaries become more emboldened by their attempt or less so? What is the Democratic vision of America to get them to believe America is not being pushed towards a tyrannical form of socialism? Are they going to start taking guns confirming their worst fears? What do you do to get millions of Americans that believe the Democrats are the boogey man destroying America to buy back into the country? We will see.

[NorthHawk]

You start by putting more money in their hands. That would take some wind out of their sails.
Do it by realigning the tax code so most of the tax breaks go to most of the people.

[Aseahawkfan]

You start by putting more money in their hands. That would take some wind out of their sails.
Do it by realigning the tax code so most of the tax breaks go to most of the people.

More bread and circuses until you run out of bread and they've seen all the circuses. It will work for now. People don't believe in this nation like they did before.

I even get told by immigrants we have no culture or beliefs any more. They don't even know what America is other than this nebulous word called freedom. All I get when I hear people talk about America is it is a place to make money. If anything happens here, they'll just go somewhere else to make money.

[RiverDog]

Perhaps. There certainly is evidence that it could have been. But I want to wait see what the investigation reveals. I've already heard some plausible explanations for some of the actions we saw.

Doubt the police were helping as a whole, but I could see some of the Congress members setting this up. I heard more than a few were in the crowd "protesting" and helping lead the "revolution." Which is why the race baiting is so pathetic.

There was a Virginia state rep in the crowd of protesters that I am aware of, but I didn't hear of any US Congressmen involved.

It's obvious this wasn't some protest the police or authorities allowed because of race. It was some kind of coordinated attack on the Capitol they weren't prepared for with possible inside help from members of Congress and maybe a few rogue police. These people thought they were revolting. I've seen multiple protesters state they thought they were starting some kind of revolution. It is very possible some members of Congress thought the same. Time will tell.

Outside of the overall strange behavior of cops taking selfies, allowing protesters to breach barricades, and so on, I don't see any evidence of a racial element, it, either. There had been lots of pro-Trump demonstrations before, and none had turned violent like this, so it is plausible to think that this one wouldn't, either. But that would have to mean that they were oblivious to intelligence reports that indicated that this demonstration was going to be different. I did see an article where Trump had gutted certain parts of Homeland Security that might have had an effect on coordination between government agencies, but until I see some evidence...and there's sure to be a major investigation...this looks like a typical government screw up with different agencies not talking and sharing information with each other, something we've seen time and time again. They were woefully unprepared.

My bigger concern is where does this go from here. Do these revolutionaries become more emboldened by their attempt or less so? What is the Democratic vision of America to get them to believe America is not being pushed towards a tyrannical form of socialism? Are they going to start taking guns confirming their worst fears? What do you do to get millions of Americans that believe the Democrats are the boogey man destroying America to buy back into the country? We will see.

That's the problem. Just like this summer in the BLM protests, when these extremists see that they were successful and the police response tepid, it will embolden every other moonbat and crack pot to get their 15 seconds of fame. I'm hearing now that they're planning a 'demonstration' for the inauguration. They'd better be better prepared this time.

[c_hawkbob]

We had congressmen opening doors for them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT6d7rd ... e=emb_logo

[RiverDog]

Coming on the heels of Trump being permanently being banned by Twitter, Google has announced that it is removing the Parler, the app that has advertised itself as "Twitter without rules" and favored by many far right extremists, from its play store:

"We recognize that there can be reasonable debate about content policies and that it can be difficult for apps to immediately remove all violative content, but for us to distribute an app through Google Play, we do require that apps implement robust moderation for egregious content. In light of this ongoing and urgent public safety threat, we are suspending the app's listings from the Play Store until it addresses these issues."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/tech/par ... index.html

Apple may follow suit.

A couple more smaller social media platforms, Twitch and Snapchat, have also banned Trump's account at least through the 20th, and the e-commerce website Shopify has shut down all shops run by the Trump campaign and organization.

Now Amazon has banned Parler from their platform. I just saw a post by a FB friend of mine with his briefs in a wad saying that Amazon had canceled his account:

Amazon will no longer provide cloud services to Parler, a social media app popular with Trump supporters, after it told the company that it hosted “violent content” that violates its terms of service.

The suspension will take effect on Sunday at 11:59 p.m. PT.

The move will effectively take Parler offline unless it can find a new company to host its services.

The decision follows similar moves from Google and Apple, which booted Parler from their app stores.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/amazon- ... rvice.html

[RiverDog]

For the past 24 hours, I've been debating with others that can't seem to understand the difference between the 1st Amendment and a private company's right..companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon...and I would argue obligation, to prohibit content on their domain they deem in violation of their TOS and refuse to do business with whom ever they choose so long as they are not discriminating based on a protected status (race, gender, religion, country of origin, etc.). It's no different that Yoder giving the boot to a couple posters in this forum.

I'm not sure how these clowns got the idea that they have a right to essentially go stand on someone else's front lawn and say or do what ever suits them, but it reinforces my opinion that the major problem we face is that we are a country of morons that assume rights that they do not have.

If anything good is to come out of these past few days, it's that it has woke up a lot of these large tech giants and forced them to police their sites. I would prefer that private industry take the lead on this, as they are doing, in order to avoid the FCC having to step in and give credence to charges of government censorship and limiting free speech.

[c_hawkbob]

Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.

[RiverDog]

Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.

Ironically that case occurred right here in my backyard. I've patronized that business before:

RICHLAND, WA - Today, the U.S. Supreme Court ordered the case of a Richland florist who refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding back to the Washington State Supreme Court.

https://www.nbcrightnow.com/archives/su ... 5df2c.html

[I-5]

Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.

That’s pretty funny. And accurate.

[Hawktawk]

I wouldn’t necessarily call the police response racist as much as I would call it extremely pro trump and he’s a racist so....this storm the capitol was a rallying call for weeks on social media . It was clear there were many who flew into DC knowing what they were going to do . How law enforcement was unaware of this knowing the president would give a false incendiary speech to thousands of fanatics who largely believe in QAanon . This was facilitated by pro
Trump military and police until it got out of hand .
I can’t imagine anything about these evil people that would make a politician want them as a constituent . I keep hearing “ that wasn’t America “ 30% of Americans including some of my friends of decades thought this was funny , justified .

This is America and it’s not going away .

[RiverDog]

Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.
Tell them to think of Twitter as a Christian owned bakery and Trump as a gay wedding cake. They might actually understand that analogy.

That’s pretty funny. And accurate.

It's twice as funny when you say it like you did!

[Hawktawk]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 618295002/
It just looks worse and worse in America

[Aseahawkfan]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/10/25-troops-under-investigation-terrorism-related-riot-capitol/6618295002/
It just looks worse and worse in America

Does this really surprise you? Majority of military or former military members I know are Republican, conservative, and/or right leaning. Many of these militias and the like are populated with current and former members of the military.

You used to buy into the fear mongering against the Democrats. You should understand the psychology of right wing fear mongering as well as anyone on this board and what you used to believe the Democrats were doing to ruin the nation. These Trump followers still believe the Democrats are tyrants looking to take freedoms and ruin the nation.

Now when they see Big Tech banning Trump, it's making them feel even more that the Democrats and their Big Tech allies are oppressing them.

That's another reason I feel these organizations should be treading lightly. You continue to make it look like you're oppressing these people's free speech, it further drives them to think they need to revolt.

[Aseahawkfan]

For the past 24 hours, I've been debating with others that can't seem to understand the difference between the 1st Amendment and a private company's right..companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon...and I would argue obligation, to prohibit content on their domain they deem in violation of their TOS and refuse to do business with whom ever they choose so long as they are not discriminating based on a protected status (race, gender, religion, country of origin, etc.). It's no different that Yoder giving the boot to a couple posters in this forum.

I'm not sure how these clowns got the idea that they have a right to essentially go stand on someone else's front lawn and say or do what ever suits them, but it reinforces my opinion that the major problem we face is that we are a country of morons that assume rights that they do not have.

If anything good is to come out of these past few days, it's that it has woke up a lot of these large tech giants and forced them to police their sites. I would prefer that private industry take the lead on this, as they are doing, in order to avoid the FCC having to step in and give credence to charges of government censorship and limiting free speech.

They think their 1st amendment rights carry over to private companies. They think Big Tech is in league with the Democrats to suppress free speech.

The problem I have with this is pushing them underground doesn't really make them stop. It just pushes them to arm up more, fuels their beliefs the Democrats and Big Tech are in league to oppress them, and pushes them to find alternatives to communicate their revolutionary ideas with further proof Big Tech and the Democrats are trying to oppress them. These actions are fueling their paranoia. I'm not sure that is a good thing.

Has social media reached a point where 1st Amendment protections should be extended or should Big Tech control the voices on their platform picking and choosing what is acceptable public conversation? If you're letting Democrats spread their political ideas on these platforms, it looks very bad when you're suppressing the other side from spreading their ideas given how ubiquitous social media has become as a voice for people.

[RiverDog]

They think their 1st amendment rights carry over to private companies. They think Big Tech is in league with the Democrats to suppress free speech.

Agreed, because that's what they are being told. But the fact is that social media has come under attack by both parties, albiet it for different reasons.

The problem I have with this is pushing them underground doesn't really make them stop. It just pushes them to arm up more, fuels their beliefs the Democrats and Big Tech are in league to oppress them, and pushes them to find alternatives to communicate their revolutionary ideas with further proof Big Tech and the Democrats are trying to oppress them. These actions are fueling their paranoia. I'm not sure that is a good thing.

That's true, but at least it keeps them from recruiting more decibels, expanding their influence. This problem didn't exist 20 years ago before the internet started becoming more prevalent in our society.

Has social media reached a point where 1st Amendment protections should be extended or should Big Tech control the voices on their platform picking and choosing what is acceptable public conversation? If you're letting Democrats spread their political ideas on these platforms, it looks very bad when you're suppressing the other side from spreading their ideas given how ubiquitous social media has become as a voice for people.

That's going to be the big debate of the decade. My opinion is that the FCC needs to get more involved, just like they did when radio and TV hit the marketplace. There needs to be a set of ground rules for anyone that takes advantage of the public domain that is widely agreed upon.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's true, but at least it keeps them from recruiting more decibels, expanding their influence. This problem didn't exist 20 years ago before the internet started becoming more prevalent in our society.

What do you mean? The social media problem?

As far as the rest, this has been building for a long time. Each iteration is getting angrier and angrier. The militias started growing in the 90s. The Libertarian movement started sometime around that time as well. They keep growing and getting silenced, but then start growing in the dark. Same as the Trump supporters didn't show up on the polls because these people are getting pushed to the fringes. They are afraid of Big Tech tracking them. There even books on how to become a Grey Man to escape being tracked by tech.

Which is why I want to see if this is the end or a beginning. Because McVeigh and his crew which are a part of this movement blew up a Federal Building in 1995. We've had various incidents like Ruby Ridge, Waco, and other growing militia movements continuing to grow. Wipe out a few and then more grow.

I'm sorry. I know it is not popular to state this, but the Democrats are causing this. These groups view the Democrats as oppressing them, tyrannizing them, undermining the Constitution, taking their freedoms, and looking to destroy America. Rational or not, this is what they think. The ideas in your Dave Ramsey article are the things they see. The Democrat disrespect for religion, constant assaults on the 2nd Amendment, supporting ideas like reparations, allowing people like A.O.C. who are part of a socialist movement to become the face of the Democrats, people like Lebron and Colin K. talking about Amerikkka, and the like. It makes these people think the Democrats are out to get them with Big Tech backing up the Democrats.

Every time someone like Dave Ramsey asks his questions, Democrats and their supporters call them wrong, tell them to shut up, and try to disregard them with corporations pulling support for them, crushing their sources of income, and punishing them for having an alternative viewpoint.

I don't think that is the best way to market what is going on. How do you get these people to buy back in before they start a guerilla war that will tear this nation apart? Contrary to popular belief, these are not dumb people. Many are highly intelligent, skilled, and more importantly militaristic. If they believe the only way to save the America they love is to take up arms and take it back from a group they view as the enemy, then they may start doing things that make the capitol riots seem small.

That's going to be the big debate of the decade. My opinion is that the FCC needs to get more involved, just like they did when radio and TV hit the marketplace. There needs to be a set of ground rules for anyone that takes advantage of the public domain that is widely agreed upon.

Maybe so. Something needs to be done. Social media has become this thing that feels like it's your voice on the Internet where people can't really separate the reality that it is more like someone's house than a piece of the real estate you own. It's not free and none of your freedoms apply on it.

[Aseahawkfan]

double post.

[I-5]

I really want to be as optimistic as Riv that this will die down, I really do. Maybe the steps taken by Twitter and other corporations will kill a lot of the energy, or at least organizational ability...but I'm not so sure. I kind of agree with asf that it just can't go nowhere, and I think these next few days we're going to see more events. I don't even want to think about Jan 20, but I think it almost ensures that the inauguration will be extremely limited in terms of attendance. I wouldn't even be surprised if they hold it in a secret remote location at this rate.

I think we're seeing the power of Q-anon, as a lot of the crowd of rioters are not the usual suspects, but septegenarians who you would never expect to see involved in any violence:

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Among them was Lonnie Leroy Coffman, 70, an Alabama grandfather who drove to Washington to attend Trump’s “Save America Rally” in a red GMC Sierra pickup packed with an M4 assault rifle, multiple loaded magazines, three handguns and 11 Mason jars filled with homemade napalm, according to court filings. His grandson, Brandon Coffman, told the AP on Friday his grandfather was a Republican who had expressed admiration for Trump at holiday gatherings. He said he had no idea why Coffman would show up in the nation’s capital armed for civil war.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7567676/trump-supporters-far-right-us-capitol-riot/

[Hawktawk]

Does this really surprise you? Majority of military or former military members I know are Republican, conservative, and/or right leaning. Many of these militias and the like are populated with current and former members of the military.

You used to buy into the fear mongering against the Democrats. You should understand the psychology of right wing fear mongering as well as anyone on this board and what you used to believe the Democrats were doing to ruin the nation. These Trump followers still believe the Democrats are tyrants looking to take freedoms and ruin the nation.

Now when they see Big Tech banning Trump, it's making them feel even more that the Democrats and their Big Tech allies are oppressing them.

That's another reason I feel these organizations should be treading lightly. You continue to make it look like you're oppressing these people's free speech, it further drives them to think they need to revolt.

You're really sounding scary Asea. This is America. We settle our differences at the ballot box here. We did so last Nov when 81 million people voted far more to out trump than install Biden due to trump's extreme danger to the entire planet.

And 2,5 months later here we are. I watched an armed insurgency chock full of violent trumpanzees, hurting cops, beating them with flagpoles and trampling old glory and hijacking the term "patriot".It followed weeks of incendiary tweets, years actually, spreading lies including a whopper about a stolen election, COME TO DC ON THE 8TH,ITS GONNA BE WILD!!!!!!!!. WE have to shut the fascist and his fascist follower down. We are probably looking at extreme violence going forward either way, Screw these people. If they are going to be behave like subhuman POS cretins than they dont deserve a mouth piece or means to coordinate violence. The hell with them they can burn in hell with their messiah.

[RiverDog]

Does this really surprise you? Majority of military or former military members I know are Republican, conservative, and/or right leaning. Many of these militias and the like are populated with current and former members of the military.

You used to buy into the fear mongering against the Democrats. You should understand the psychology of right wing fear mongering as well as anyone on this board and what you used to believe the Democrats were doing to ruin the nation. These Trump followers still believe the Democrats are tyrants looking to take freedoms and ruin the nation.

Now when they see Big Tech banning Trump, it's making them feel even more that the Democrats and their Big Tech allies are oppressing them.

That's another reason I feel these organizations should be treading lightly. You continue to make it look like you're oppressing these people's free speech, it further drives them to think they need to revolt.

You're really sounding scary Asea. This is America. We settle our differences at the ballot box here. We did so last Nov when 81 million people voted far more to out trump than install Biden due to trump's extreme danger to the entire planet.

And 2,5 months later here we are. I watched an armed insurgency chock full of violent trumpanzees, hurting cops, beating them with flagpoles and trampling old glory and hijacking the term "patriot".It followed weeks of incendiary tweets, years actually, spreading lies including a whopper about a stolen election, COME TO DC ON THE 8TH,ITS GONNA BE WILD!!!!!!!!. WE have to shut the fascist and his fascist follower down. We are probably looking at extreme violence going forward either way, Screw these people. If they are going to be behave like subhuman POS cretins than they dont deserve a mouth piece or means to coordinate violence. The hell with them they can burn in hell with their messiah.

I find myself in agreement with Hawktalk. At some point, we need to quit pacifying these criminals over fears of what they might do and have it out with them, similar to what had to be done back in the 50's and 60's to subdue the KKK.

One of the motivations for these "Trumpanzees" rioting is the tepid response to the BLM riots of this summer, indeed, a wink and a nod given to them by liberal politicians, the cancel culture, tearing down and defacing monuments, etc. Violence begets more violence. If you want to remove a monument, do it peacefully and in a manner so as not to insult people.

This far right wing movement needs to be put down no matter what the cost in the same manner that the BLM riots should have been put down this past summer. But as I'm so fond of saying, two wrongs don't make a right.

[RiverDog]

Only 55 arrests out of maybe 1500 people breaking stuff, packing heat, shooting off tear gas in the capitol building. Compare that to gassing, shooting rubber bullets, smashing peaceful protesters in the face with shields in lafayette square for a fascist display of Trump with a bible and arresting 300 of them to boot.

There are only 55 arrests SO FAR. There's likely to be many more once they identify and locate those that were seen on various videos of the event. We're barely 24 hours past it.

The arrest count is up to 85 and every FBI office in the nation is pursuing over 40,000 leads. People identified as rioters may be put on no fly lists. Employers are taking their own actions when their employees are positivity identified. The repercussions for participating in this event will far outweigh any actions taken in any previous riot, and rightfully so.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capit ... index.html

[Hawktawk]

The hundred day protests were frequented by proud boys and other whites supremacist groups as well. Also if anyone really paid attention to the chronology of events surrounding the Lafayette square fascist display by Trump it was at a time when protest were leveling off . After that it spiked up and stayed that way . Interestingly the cops were cleared of the Jacob Blake shooting. I know there’s protest and anger but I’ve not heard of riots . These protests were of Trump as much as anything . No comparison to a fascist mob . Sadly these people are heavily armed , straight up nuts and they are going to cause more deaths . We will see how the twitter protest goes today . It’s an evil on this country .

[c_hawkbob]

The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official.

Yeah, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I fear we won't make it to the 20th without more bloodshed.

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/fbi-mem ... wT4cRjG66Q

[I-5]

The FBI has sent a memo to law enforcement agencies across the country warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state Capitols starting Jan. 16, and also says an armed group has threatened to travel to Washington, D.C., the same day and stage an uprising if Congress removes President Donald Trump from office, according to a senior law enforcement official.


Yeah, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. I fear we won't make it to the 20th without more bloodshed.

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/fbi-mem ... wT4cRjG66Q

This is not unlike the civil war that HT alluded to before the election...that's how I pictured it anyway

[c_hawkbob]

They're are already armed protesters at the State Capitol here in Kentucky, have been for a couple days:



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 610891002/

[RiverDog]

I couldn't open the link. Here's another one:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.

[c_hawkbob]

I couldn't open the link. Here's another one:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... d=msedgntp

We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.

I think you probably clicked on the link in I-5's post quoting me. The one in my post still works.

I knew this was going on here, but this is Kentucky, I'm surprised to see it's being planned in all 50.

[I-5]

We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.

I think you can expect it to be widespread - all 50 states. As far as large, who knows but my guess is the cul...I mean base has been whipped into enough frenzy that we should expect at least hundreds at each state capitol, and thousands in DC. And I do think the orgnizers want to goad the National Guard into firing their weapons, with the result being deaths on both sides...it would be 'good optics' for their civil war fantasies

[RiverDog]

We'll see how large and widespread it turns out to be, but one thing is for sure: They can't plead ignorance this time.

I think you can expect it to be widespread - all 50 states. As far as large, who knows but my guess is the cul...I mean base has been whipped into enough frenzy that we should expect at least hundreds at each state capitol, and thousands in DC. And I do think the orgnizers want to goad the National Guard into firing their weapons, with the result being deaths on both sides...it would be 'good optics' for their civil war fantasies

It's really hard to tell. The FBI is sending out a bulletin to all 50 states. Do you really think we're going to see armed protesters in Honolulu? This could be overkill, making sure that everyone is on the alert. They got caught flat footed last week, so what we could be seeing is an over reaction to make sure they don't make the same mistake twice. Do you remember in the post 9-11 days how we had these alerts from Homeland Security around the holidays about possible terrorist attacks?

I'm not trying to down play it, but neither do I think we should be reading more into the bulletin that what is there. "Planned" doesn't mean "imminent".

[Hawktawk]

National guard is expected to have 15K forces in DC. Here we are needing 15 thousand troops to hold an inauguration Yeah everything is fine, nothing to see here.... Anyone thinking freaks who have utterly lost touch with reality and are heavily armed are going to go quickly is overly optimistic IMO. Hope to be wrong as always. But a number of republicans are already backtracking on their condemnation or at least saying there's no reason to remove or impeach Trump.They continue spouting his baseless conspiracy theories of a stolen election.These lies and Trump refusal to concede like every decent candidate in history is why we are here. The right wingers wouldn't have been happy but this would not have happened had he conceded in November.

The party has a pall of evil around it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/former- ... lainternal

All these socialism bad Trumpers must have forgotten about Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh. Scary article. Antifa has definitely got a good case.

[I-5]

I'm not trying to down play it, but neither do I think we should be reading more into the bulletin that what is there. "Planned" doesn't mean "imminent".

Knowing the chatter the FBI is seeing about all 50 states, but not able to conclusively confirm the number of people that might arrive armed and dangerous...I'm curious how would you handle it if you were in charge of the national and state response, if you think some are reading more than what's there? What do you think is the 'more' part? Remember, there were people with guns and bombs on Jan 6, even if they weren't used and detonated. No one is going to issue a memo whether they will use them next time or not.

[RiverDog]

I'm not trying to down play it, but neither do I think we should be reading more into the bulletin that what is there. "Planned" doesn't mean "imminent".

Knowing the chatter the FBI is seeing about all 50 states, but not able to conclusively confirm the number of people that might arrive armed and dangerous...I'm curious how would you handle it if you were in charge of the national and state response, if you think some are reading more than what's there? What do you think is the 'more' part? Remember, there were people with guns and bombs on Jan 6, even if they weren't used and detonated. No one is going to issue a memo whether they will use them next time or not.

A good rule of thumb is to error on the side of safety. I would rather be over prepared than under. I am not being critical of the FBI, and not knowing the precise information they are acting on, I don't know if they are over reacting or not. My guess is that since they got caught off guard last week, this time they are not taking any chances.

All I am saying is for us as citizens, we shouldn't be thinking of this alert as a confirmation that we are about to descend into a civil war. I regard these threats and warnings to be very similar to those we experienced in the months following 9/11. It's a storm warning, not head for the caves and prepare for a dinosaur killing meteor strike.