Hawktawk wrote:I don't know why you keep pushing this angle that the Russian investigation was a hoax. Ill say it till i'm blue in the face. The initial dossier by respected british intelligence agent Christopher Steele was commissioned by a never trump group of REPUBLICANS.It was later funded by the DNC but NOTHING in it was ever used during the campaign.It eventually wound up in the hands of the FBI who launched crossfire hurricane as they felt and I do to this day that Trump is a russian asset.
Almost nothing in the dossier has been proven false to this day including allegations Trump was depraved and stupid enough to have been surreptitiously videotaped with prostitutes in the Moscow Ritz carlton in 2013.Might help explain his ass kissing of Putin constantly. Business with russia? yep as revealed by a Trump tower moscow deal that was only tabled election night.That lie by Cohen to the congress concerning the timeline of that tower deal was part of his jail sentence.
The Mueller report detailed hundreds of clandestine contacts between Trump operatives and Russian intelligence agents, oligarchs etc.Battleground district by district by swing state polls were shared by Manafort and Gates with a russian intelligence agent in a cigar bar owned by jared Kushner with all 4 men in the meeting leaving by separate doors.WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT ? In testimony to the congress Mueller called Trump's actions "unamerican" his written answers to the questions regarding their investigation" untruthful, generally speaking" The 1000 page senate report written by a republican controlled committee detailed the same things , referred to eastern bloc operative Manafort who was the Campaign manager of record when Trump won the nomination as " a grave national security risk. " 7 convictions most of whom have already been pardoned by the perp they fell on their sword for.Whether it in fact flipped the election is not knowable but when an estimated 200 million americans viewed deep fakes and social media posts designed to suppress the black vote, pumping bernie sanders and Jill Stein and DJT and hammering Hillary in an election far closer than the last one who knows.
What's not remotely debatable is that Russia interfered withy our election with the stated purpose of electing their patsy and that the Trump campaign was well aware of their help and welcomed it and rewarded it from day one of this administration.
I hear where you're coming from on the deep fakes and conspiracy theories and constantly playing gotcha between the parties but this conspiracy between Vlad Putin and Trump wasn't a theory. It was a fact.
Well, if what you say is true, then Biden is a Chinese puppet because there is a whole lot of evidence Hunter Biden did the same type of crap with Ukrainian and Chinese oligarchs and the like. You want to be blind to the reality of being an American politician, have at it. Foreign governments are interfering with and attacking our elections all the time. You even seem to have a short memory of when Bill Clinton was accused of being a Chinese puppet.
The Trump is a Russian Puppet was pure political theater. Russia has been interfering in our elections for decades. So has China. So have many different foreign powers. But focusing the investigation on Russia and building it up into Trump as a Russian Puppet was pure BS. It is what lent credence to this crap of going back and forth.
Right now there are people just like you on the right who believe Biden is a puppet to foreign powers and the Chinese because there is evidence that Hunter Biden worked with Chinese companies and officials taking money from them. They are building the same claims against Biden as the Democrats built against Trump. There are people as sure as you are about Trump that Biden knew about all this and used his political power for his family's gain including his son Hunter Biden. If the Republicans get power again, they may well pursue this investigation against Biden. Then what?
If this doesn't stop, then why should any American have faith in our elections, intelligence agencies, military, or anyone at all if it is that easy to install an American president into office and control him? Why? These parties can't keep on with this election fraud, foreign election interference, and the like with no evidence of vote tampering or quid pro quo or real policy changes that have led to a material improvement for a foreign power without evidence. It can't continue.
I've watched these people going back and forth since Clinton. The Clinton Impeachment was BS. The Bush Jr. is a lying war criminal was BS. The Obama wasn't born here and is a Muslim was BS. The Trump is a Russian Puppet is BS.
The C.I.A., Homeland Security, N.S.A., F.B.I., and the like are some of the best agencies in the world. They are not going to allow some foreign government to install a puppet as president. So stop believing that trash. Our intelligence agencies are by far the best in the world, bar none. The most technologically advanced with a world wide network of support. No one is going to install a puppet leader to undermine us in America.
If you want to walk around the world paranoid thinking our intelligence agencies are getting beat by Russia, China, and Donald Trump, then have at it. I have far more faith in them than you do.
Christopher Steele was paid to dig up dirt on Donald Trump. He confirmed none of it. Just hearsay in a document. You keep referring to it as though it has to be disproven, when it has yet to be proven. You don't believe in innocent until proven guilty with Trump. He's been guilty in your mind since he started running. As long a this is the standard for guilt for the opposing party, then there this is going to continue for every leader from here on out.
I want no part of this trash. I already know Russia, China, Many Middle East leaders, Ukraine, North Korea, and any other nation who can pull it off interfere in every election. But they don't have the power to install a president. Sorry, they don't. Tight elections don't mean you get to call election fraud every fricking time. It needs to stop. It's reached the point of ridiculousness.
Trump won fair and square in 2016. There was zero evidence that Russia altered any actual votes. Unless you want to point to that evidence, you need to stop spreading that hoax. If you don't stop lying, then why should the right?