RiverDog wrote:Excellent! And who says that Wall Street is nothing but a pack of money hungry leaches?
Toss these actions in with tech giants like Twitter, Facebook, Apple, and Amazon banning Trump, Parler, and other threats to public safety from their platforms.
RiverDog wrote:Excellent! And who says that Wall Street is nothing but a pack of money hungry leaches?
Toss these actions in with tech giants like Twitter, Facebook, Apple, and Amazon banning Trump, Parler, and other threats to public safety from their platforms.
c_hawkbob wrote:Exactly, this is the sort of thing that'll do more to rehabilitate the Trumplican party than all the speeches and editorials in the world.
I-5 wrote:Trump has succeeded in making Pence likeable. I didn’t know that was possible.
Re: corporations, I’m very glad to see it. I think they are not just taking a stand but know that it’s also good business, so win/win. Polls show that a majority of Americans want Trump impeached or removed from office before Jan 20. I don’t think NRA can afford to join them, though; they know who their constituents are.
One of my friends thinks you and c-bob want to kill any Americans that don't agree with you. That the Democratic Party is going to start killing people and taking their liberties in his lifetime like Biden is Mao or Stalin.
Is that your secret plan, I5? Act like a nice guy, but you're really going to start some re-education camps with Democrat socialist soldiers ensuring all the former Trump supporters comply?
I-5 wrote:Number 1, how do your friend know c-bob and me? Even you don't know who we are, and vice versa.
Number 2, what do you think the answer to your own question is?
Come on, man. Chill.
One of my friends thinks you and c-bob want to kill any Americans that don't agree with you. That the Democratic Party is going to start killing people and taking their liberties in his lifetime like Biden is Mao or Stalin
Hawktawk wrote:https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Talk-radio-owner-orders-conservative-hosts-to-15860720.php
Broadcasters are clamping down on the right wing shock jocks. A few weeks ago I was driving along listening to AM radio, surfing around. At any give time I hear 2 or 3 right wing talk show hosts going on about a stolen election, about Mike Pence's responsibility to overturn it. Then we see thugs ransacking the capitol and chanting "hang mike Pence". Why would they say this? This is a good move although these media outlets can get ready for armed militias trying to breach their facilities too.
RiverDog wrote:And now, the PGA is dumping Trump golf courses from hosting major events:
The PGA of America has cut its remaining tie with President Donald Trump, and it’s a major one.
That means the 2022 PGA Championship needs a new home, as Trump Bedminster in New Jersey was set to host in just over two years. But that agreement officially was terminated Sunday night.
“We find ourselves in a political situation not of our making,’' said Seth Waugh, the CEO of the PGA of America, in an interview with the Associated Press. “We’re fiduciaries for our members, for the game, for our mission and for our brand. And how do we best protect that? Our feeling was given the tragic events of Wednesday that we could no longer hold it at Bedminster. The damage could have been irreparable. The only real course of action was to leave.”
https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/01/pg ... -host.html
RiverDog wrote:And now, the PGA is dumping Trump golf courses from hosting major events:
The PGA of America has cut its remaining tie with President Donald Trump, and it’s a major one.
That means the 2022 PGA Championship needs a new home, as Trump Bedminster in New Jersey was set to host in just over two years. But that agreement officially was terminated Sunday night.
“We find ourselves in a political situation not of our making,’' said Seth Waugh, the CEO of the PGA of America, in an interview with the Associated Press. “We’re fiduciaries for our members, for the game, for our mission and for our brand. And how do we best protect that? Our feeling was given the tragic events of Wednesday that we could no longer hold it at Bedminster. The damage could have been irreparable. The only real course of action was to leave.”
https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/01/pg ... -host.html
Hawktawk wrote:I see twitter is down 7% on wall street since the ban and Facebook has taken a 34 billion cap hit. We will see how patriotic these enablers really are when it starts hitting the shareholders. Trump supporters want to hear his fascist bile.
RiverDog wrote:Twitter and Facebook knew that their stock would take a hit. They pretty much had to ban Trump, Parler, et al to keep the FCC off their backs. I have no doubt that the federal government would start flexing their muscle, threaten them with anti trust suits, tax audits, etc, if they didn't take action.
What will be interesting will be after the economy starts to open back up and we start seeing the resumption of tourism, conventions, etc and how these boycotts affect Trump's real estate holdings, like his hotels. I doubt seriously that large companies are going to be booking conventions at Trump's hotel in Las Vegas. They may not necessarily be anti Trump, but they are definitely anti controversy and anti bad publicity.
c_hawkbob wrote:Wow, there's some interesting psychology in this statement!
Does this friend really exist or is he merely your means of telling us how you really feel without having to own it?
If he does exist it's likely that he only knows of us what you have told him so that brings back around to how you really feel anyway. Or does he read this forum? If so, why doesn't he speak for himself? If not why are we even a topic of discussion among you and your friends?
Most interesting of all is your projection about the violence of the left when it is plainly clear in the history of this country, at least for our lifetimes, that the right is far more violent and deadly. A fact even expressed by our own FBI and Department of Homeland Security currently.
Hawktawk wrote:Its not democrats packing heat, or rational republicans turned independents although we own em and i just stocked up on ammo.
Its ridiculous what Asea wrote here. If he's got a friend that feels democrats are the violent killers its not surprising cause he probably thinks democrats run a poedophile ring and Trumps a messiah who is fighting it behind the scenes,Bin Laden is alive, that the election was stolen etc, the virus is a hoax,masks are unpatriotic, red made in china MAGA hats look cool, antifa stormed the capital with stolen maga gear.
I could care less what a dolt like that thinks.
Aseahawkfan wrote:
No. Total joke as far as you and I5 goes.
My buddy texted me the Democrats were going to start killing them and taking all their liberties after Big Tech banned Trump, Parler, and the like. I kind of chuckled thinking to this forum and the Democrats and liberals I know. I can't see any of you guys joining some Mao like movement to kill him like he seems to think. I thought his view of Democrats is so nuts. Biden doesn't appear to me as some crazy Marxist Socialist. Once Trump was banned from social media, a lot of conservatives started losing it and talking about Democrat and Big Tech working hand in hand to suppress them.
You live in Kentucky. You're a friendly enough guy. You must know at least a few crazy conservative buddies who are losing their ever-loving minds over this Twitter ban and such.
This is crazy times, man. Crazy times.
RiverDog wrote:Twitter and Facebook knew that their stock would take a hit. They pretty much had to ban Trump, Parler, et al to keep the FCC off their backs. I have no doubt that the federal government would start flexing their muscle, threaten them with anti trust suits, tax audits, etc, if they didn't take action.
What will be interesting will be after the economy starts to open back up and we start seeing the resumption of tourism, conventions, etc and how these boycotts affect Trump's real estate holdings, like his hotels. I doubt seriously that large companies are going to be booking conventions at Trump's hotel in Las Vegas and other domestic locations. Companies may not necessarily be anti Trump, but they are definitely anti controversy and anti bad publicity. The Trump brand is going to take a huge hit.
I find it interesting that Germany and France are questioning the social media ban. Seems there is a feeling that a corporation should not have this much control over free speech given the nature of social media. I'm of a similar mind. Right now these companies are private. They have enormous control over shared speech on their platforms. Even China censors anything they don't want spread on social media. It is becoming more and more of a free speech issue with social media. It will have to be looked at carefully.
I find it interesting that Germany and France are questioning the social media ban. Seems there is a feeling that a corporation should not have this much control over free speech given the nature of social media. I'm of a similar mind. Right now these companies are private. They have enormous control over shared speech on their platforms. Even China censors anything they don't want spread on social media. It is becoming more and more of a free speech issue with social media. It will have to be looked at carefully.
I-5 wrote:I think it's an interesting problem...and a bit scary. One, technically it's not censorship since both are products, and two, there is no rule that everyone has to be on the same social media. But the reality is that Twitter and Facebook are dominant around the world (not everywhere though, since it's banned in the China, so technically, Wechat is possibly the largest social media company in the world but that's another story). I'm all for free expression, but where do you draw the line when a group (or a president in this case) starts trying to sell a BIG LIE (stolen election with zero evidence) to his fan base? To me, that's the most dangerous thing of all, because history shows that this type of cult hero worship combined with a BIG LIE was/is an effecive means to commit arocities like what happened in Nazi Germany and the Ukrainian Famine in the 1930's.
As historian Timothy Snyder said, to paraphrase, to believe in a big lie means everyone else has to be wrong, and only one person is right. If you believe in the big lie, then you have to take radical action.
I-5 wrote:I think it's an interesting problem...and a bit scary. One, technically it's not censorship since both are products, and two, there is no rule that everyone has to be on the same social media. But the reality is that Twitter and Facebook are dominant around the world (not everywhere though, since it's banned in the China, so technically, Wechat is possibly the largest social media company in the world but that's another story). I'm all for free expression, but where do you draw the line when a group (or a president in this case) starts trying to sell a BIG LIE (stolen election with zero evidence) to his fan base? To me, that's the most dangerous thing of all, because history shows that this type of cult hero worship combined with a BIG LIE was/is an effecive means to commit arocities like what happened in Nazi Germany and the Ukrainian Famine in the 1930's.
As historian Timothy Snyder said, to paraphrase, to believe in a big lie means everyone else has to be wrong, and only one person is right. If you believe in the big lie, then you have to take radical action.
RiverDog wrote:I'm not too concerned about what Germany and France think about our situation regarding social media.
Censorship is nothing new. CBS canceled the Smothers Brothers back in the 60's, essentially censored them for their political content, because they wouldn't comply with their demands to review their material before they went on air. In more recent years, Howard Stern has been heavily fined by the FCC for content it deemed indecent. The watchful eye of the government has been imbedded in our society forever.
In the cases of these recent bans, private companies are acting on terms of services they created so that they would not risk being in violation of FCC and other governmental regulations. Companies and other organizations set these types of governmental compliance rules all the time, whether it involve employee safety, public health, workplace conditions, building codes, and so forth. I see the banning of Trump's Twitter account and the Parler app being no different than a company initiating a voluntary recall of a defective product.
There's also a legal motivation for these companies. Twitter, Apple, and Google could be found criminally liable for damages if a court were to determine that they willingly facilitated personal assaults and property damage. They are acting to protect their profitability.
As far as social media's influence, I agree, it's a very scary thought. But I'm more scared at how incredibly stupid and naïve some of these people's minds are that they would allow themselves to get brainwashed by these lies and half truths they see on social media.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Brain washing is nothing new.
Which is why your options are the American and in general Western Way of too much information, pick your poison. Or the Chinese and Russian way of heavily control information, the government will pick your poison.
Which one do you want?
Aseahawkfan wrote:I think the big concern because even though Trump was pushing ridiculous ideas, the reality is that a bunch of Big Tech corporations just silenced the elected leader of a Democratic Nation with no vote or say by the people. Just the implementation of their personal policies. That's a big deal. That needs to be looked at and thought about quite deeply. Do you want Big Tech companies having the ability to control the internet voice of millions and billions of people? Right now everyone is agreeable that what Trump was doing was harmful to the nation, but what if America shifted to a nation like China where the government decided to heavily interfere in Big Tech shutting your internet voice down? That's just not good.
RiverDog wrote:As far as social media's influence, I agree, it's a very scary thought. But I'm more scared at how incredibly stupid and naïve some of these people's minds are that they would allow themselves to get brainwashed by these lies and half truths they see on social media.
RiverDog wrote:I'm perfectly OK with how Big Tech has reacted. In general, I'm not afraid of big business. For the most part, they are publicly traded companies own by hundreds of thousands of Americans and have plenty of governmental oversight. Twitter, Facebook, and Amazon acted in an exemplary fashion IMO.
Aseahawkfan wrote:They do have some governmental oversight, as far as plenty I'm not so sure of.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You seem very agreeable to corporate control of Internet speech, which I'm not as comfortable with. They didn't just silence Trump. They silenced all his supporters too including ending a competing social media company in Parler. Corporate America basically showed they can completely silence a segment of the American population and destroy any competing companies.
Aseahawkfan wrote:We'll see what comes of it. I know if I had billions right now, I'd be striking hard while the fire is hot building a conservative social media and internet challenger to Google, Amazon, and Facebook much as was done when the liberal media's bias led to the creation of Fox News. If this happens, it will continue the building of two Americas and another vehicle to fuel division.
We'll see what happens. This is the environment that creates immense opportunity to more deeply divide the nation.
RiverDog wrote:I just took one of those internet polls after reading a story about riot participants experiencing unexpected consequences of their actions involving their participation in last week's riot at the Capitol:
"Do you personally believe it is fair or unfair for those who were pictured at the storming of the US Capitol to lose their jobs over this incident?"
Totally fair 91%
Somewhat fair 2%
Somewhat unfair 1%
Totally unfair 6%
Other / No opinion 0%
It's not a scientific polling and the responses are likely somewhat skewed, but nevertheless, the results are striking.
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