NorthHawk wrote:As an Atheist, I look at all those people that rake in the money like nobody's business as shysters and charlatans whose only goal is to drain the bank accounts of gullible people.
DJT is doing something similar on a smaller scale with his plea for donations to his PAC (or whatever it's called). It's simply a grift with no benefits for the donor.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I've never heard of Trump talking about God save when he was running for president. Never seen him in a Church save when he was running for president. Never even heard him talking about God save when he was running for president. Don't recall him ever thanking God for any of his wealth or mentioning God in The Art of the Deal. Trump to my knowledge after reading his book and following his work since I was 16 has never been interested in religion. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't think of religious folk as suckers that he can easily manipulate.
But the Evangelicals are locked in that the Democrats are trying to destroy religion and marginalize God because that is what Marxist Communists and Socialists are purported to be doing and the right has successfully sold the Democrats as the Party of Karl Marx and his "religion is poison" Communists and Socialists.
NorthHawk wrote:I was thinking Graham, Osteen, and others and not local Pastor types who live normal lives according to their beliefs.
NorthHawk wrote:Yah, there are crooks and others that take advantage of people in all walks of life, but then there are some that rake in millions of tax free cash and are supported for some unknown to me reason.
They're on quite a different level.
Hawktawk wrote:Yes you make my point. Trump is a vulgar amoral evil man but these evangelicals latched on to him for ideology. And abortion and their perceived lack of religious freedom to discriminate against gays, muslims etc anyone who doesn't look and think like them. But there's no love in these people and certainly no love in their messiah. They are chock full of hatred. The weirdest thing is that they literally think there was some miracle that was going to deliver the presidency to a roundly soundly beaten man.They have combined religion with fanatical cult politics and its no better than radical islam what they are doing , far more of a clear and present danger. Jesus believed in separation of church and state. "render unto caesar what is caesar's and unto the lord what is the lords".
I know nobody wants to hear a sermon, especially an atheist but as a believer I'm just gonna say the days we live in lately sound a lot like what's written in revelation. And that's the last book in the bible. "In that day men will come to me and say lord lord. and I will say "get thee from me, I never knew you"
The real irony is Biden will be the first regular churchgoing president in quite some time, clearly is a compassionate empathetic man. He's the Christian.But marxism bad That's fake news. Fascism far worse.
Hawktawk wrote:Asea I guess we can get into semantics on what to call trumps soul or in my opinion lack of soul. The man is soulless. I return to my faith,the spirit that dwells in me.Its where my fear and loathing of Trump came from and it was immediate .
You have pointed out correctly that I was a rigid right wing ideology with no use for Obama and my political views were consistent from my youngest days, Carter, Clinton etc. Rs could do no wrong and Ds could do no right.
Demographically I should have been magnetically attracted to Trump with my track record. But Asea the thing with Trump is I sensed EVIL when he was halfway down the escalator. I sensed chaos. disorder. I've listened to people tell me i'm way over the top, he's just an A hole, maybe not too bright but harmless. Well.......
What would describe evil? A man who sexually abuses women? A man who spends each and every day in hate filled rage against his perceived enemies while ignoring the most important aspects of his job? A remorseless liar who told a fantastic lie over and over to people who already believe in made up stuff to the point people died,our nation is a powderkeg, locked down? And did it for the selfish reason of trying to stay out of prison for his lifelong corruption and acts in this election cycle?A man who hasn't even mentioned the pandemic in 6 weeks but has time to incite a riot then go on a teleprompter and say he didn't? A man incapable of ever admitting he was wrong or even accepting he might be wrong.?
My spirit told me 5 years ago this is an evil man. It hasn't told me otherwise yet and see no evidence the man will ever change. he's gonna burn hotter than Charles Manson unless he gets on his face and repents and good luck on that.
I saw a poll this AM that says 66% of evangelical christians believe the election was stolen while 33 % believe it wasnt. How one person in america can look at the chronology of events, the lawsuits, all the steps of certification and conclude this was stolen just demonstrates they are in an evil cult, totally deluded, serving a false god.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ty/617707/ Here's a good article written by Ben Sasse adressing the pickle the republican party is in.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Defining evil is an incredibly difficult endeavor other than the obvious like murdering people or raping children. So not sure how to rate Trump on the magical evil scale.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Personally, right now I borderline hate Trump for what he's done this past year. He's been an absolutely terrible leader during the coronavirus and the final weeks of his presidency. It is awful to see a president so selfish and narcissistic that he would pursue this terrible, selfish election fraud crap while America suffers up to inspiring a capitol riot. Trump has never been able to sacrifice for others. He's only about himself. He's clearly the most selfish, self-centered, narcissistic president in history. His only saving grace that has saved us from far worse is he's not a war lover. If he had been the same man he is now and wanted to go to war, we would have a Civil War or some other war right now. I'm glad at least the anti-War part of his personality prevented a far worse 4 years than it would have been otherwise.
Aseahawkfan wrote:2 more fricking days.
RiverDog wrote:I define hate in much the same way as I categorize a person as being evil. I have a very narrow definition of the term. A more accurate description of my personal feelings toward Trump is that I regard him as being despicable.
Trump has done more damage to this country than any President in modern history, but I don't think that it will have a lasting effect. I'm pretty optimistic when it comes to the resiliency of our country.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I reached the hate point. It was real hate. When I hate someone, it is a cold, calculating hate. Trump is fortunate I was not near him as I have no tolerance for his type of behavior.
I have been trying to maintain my calm and sanity in this sea of nuts.
Bad time to be an American right now. These people are not what I think of when I think of Americans. Americans look like a group of smarmy, psychotic loons taking pleasure in the failures of each other while lashing out on social media in ways they would likely never do face to face.
Boorish, insipid, uncivil, vulgar, stupid, and ridiculous behavior all the way around. Extreme, sky is falling viewpoints that don't at all mirror reality. America is irrational and growing more so with each passing year.
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