Aseahawkfan wrote:What kind of bizarro world alternate universe do we currently exist in where the President of the United States is conspiring to hold power with the CEO of My Pillow?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/cia-kash-patel-mypillow-notes-lindell-trump/index.html
Am I awake right now? Is this insane crap for real?
The My Pillow CEO? Are you kidding me?
c_hawkbob wrote:According to Defense One the DOD won't throw Trump his military send off:
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2021/0 ... mp/171408/
Hawktawk wrote:I feel sorry for Joe Biden inheriting this dumpster fire or should I say hair fire. It's not possible he could have ever imagined this scenario when he declared his candidacy. He's a flawed candidate but he's america's only hope. We could not have survived another 4 years of Trump.
I-5 wrote:I smell a last ditch coup attempt with these last appointments and military send off requests...I would think the Q faithful are thinking the same thing. As I suspected, they've interpreted Trump's words that go against violence as code to 'stand by'. They are that wack.
I-5 wrote:I smell a last ditch coup attempt with these last appointments and military send off requests...I would think the Q faithful are thinking the same thing. As I suspected, they've interpreted Trump's words that go against violence as code to 'stand by'. They are that wack.
c_hawkbob wrote:My wife's far right sister living in Utah says that on MeWe (or WeMe, whatever, the new social media replacement for displaced twitter nutjobs) there is as much Trump hate ("left us out to dry", "abandoned us to save his own hide" etc.) as there is support among the Q faithful now. I think Trump may well be irrelevant to that movement now, The Monster that Dr Trumpenstein has created may well have a life of it's own at this point.
Hawktawk wrote:Almost 5 k BLM protesters were arrested last summer including 300 the day Trump had Lafayette square protesters smashed by riot police . So far there’s less than 100 arrests in an insurrection.cops posing for selfies, putting on trump hats.
There’s evidence of police involvent etc. this episode makes BLMs point perfectly
That's the type of stuff that the far right sees as hypocrisy, and to a certain degree, they do have a point.
That's the type of stuff that the far right sees as hypocrisy, and to a certain degree, they do have a point.
c_hawkbob wrote:No they don't and I'm getting a bit disgusted with the false equivalence. I agree that both movements have caused harm and are in the wrong for having done so but the very big difference is that BLM is protesting a very real social injustice that has been all too prevalent and with the emboldening of the racist right within law enforcement by Trump and his ilk has seen a clear increase duing this administration.
c_hawkbob wrote:On the other hand this Q nonsense is an entirely fabricated load of crap and these a-holes are just using it as their excuse to wreak havoc and forward their own fantasy new world order. And the damage they have done was not just to property but against our very system of government. They are pure scum, I have zero respect for anyone sympathizing with them. The fact that so many inside our own government and law enforcement communities are includes among those sympathizers disgusts me to no end.
These are not "a lot of very fine people, on both sides". Although I will allow that there are a lot of bad actors on both sides.
Hawktawk wrote:RD don’t forget the prescience of proud boys etc at every god damn protest by Antifa or BLM all year . They drove pickup trucks through crowds of people standing with signs in Portland with Trump 2020 flags waving , tear gas cannons , literally like a truck mount fire hose or machine gun only tear gas . They ran into protesters in trucks . Beat them with baseball bats . The rittenhouse kid in Kenosha killed 2 white guys and injured another , strapped his AR on his shoulder and walked by police who gently sat him down and got him water . I was not with Antifa or BLM 4 years ago and disapprove of violence of any kind but their point has been made clear to me. It’s interesting the officers who shot Jacob Blake 7 times were cleared but I didn’t see Kenosha burning again unless I missed it. These protests have been as much against the fascist Trump as anything else . This crazy Trump cult is a way bigger problem than anything the left has going on the lunatic fringe .
c_hawkbob wrote:There are no versions of the truth, that's a complete Trumpian concept, there is only the truth.
And while there are truths being spoke on both sides the greatest truth is that one of these things is not like the other. There is no equivalence here. This is not a political difference of philosophy, this is injustice on one side and pure evil fascism on the other.
c_hawkbob wrote:My wife's far right sister living in Utah says that on MeWe (or WeMe, whatever, the new social media replacement for displaced twitter nutjobs) there is as much Trump hate ("left us out to dry", "abandoned us to save his own hide" etc.) as there is support among the Q faithful now. I think Trump may well be irrelevant to that movement now, The Monster that Dr Trumpenstein has created may well have a life of it's own at this point.
RiverDog wrote:I'm seeing something similar on my Facebook feed, not as blatant as what you're describing, but there's not near the outrage over the impeachment as I expected. Most are complaining about the BLM rioters not being pursued to the same degree as they're pursuing the Capitol rioters, of which I can sympathize with to a small extent. The difference is that the BLM rioters weren't in the Capitol looking for Congressmen and Senators and seeking to prevent a constitutional exercise.
If that's true, if the far right extremists have, indeed, given up Trump, then I wouldn't mind seeing him being pursued through the courts. Their giving him up would remove my only objection to that proposition, ie that it would provide them with a martyr with the courthouses being a rallying point.
Hawktawk wrote:RD don’t forget the prescience of proud boys etc at every god damn protest by Antifa or BLM all year . They drove pickup trucks through crowds of people standing with signs in Portland with Trump 2020 flags waving , tear gas cannons , literally like a truck mount fire hose or machine gun only tear gas . They ran into protesters in trucks . Beat them with baseball bats . The rittenhouse kid in Kenosha killed 2 white guys and injured another , strapped his AR on his shoulder and walked by police who gently sat him down and got him water . I was not with Antifa or BLM 4 years ago and disapprove of violence of any kind but their point has been made clear to me. It’s interesting the officers who shot Jacob Blake 7 times were cleared but I didn’t see Kenosha burning again unless I missed it. These protests have been as much against the fascist Trump as anything else . This crazy Trump cult is a way bigger problem than anything the left has going on the lunatic fringe .
c_hawkbob wrote:There are no versions of the truth, that's a complete Trumpian concept, there is only the truth.
And while there are truths being spoke on both sides the greatest truth is that one of these things is not like the other. There is no equivalence here. This is not a political difference of philosophy, this is injustice on one side and pure evil fascism on the other.
Aseahawkfan wrote:3 more days until Trump is gone and maybe people can start having real discussions again rather than digging in on the Trump hate/love vs. any kind of other type of discussion. The Trump Haters and Lovers are so invested in their position that anything other than what both want is irrelevant and offensive at this point. One of the worst things about Trump is the total annihilation of discourse. You're either with Trump or you're against him. You're either willing to do anything to support him or anything to take him down. There's not much in-between.
This is just one of the many reasons this idiot has to go. He's a force of chaos, stupidity, vulgarity, and a creator of an impolite, impolitic society.
I don't for a minute think that the entire right is consumed by pure evil and fascism.
I don't for a minute think that the entire right is consumed by pure evil and fascism.
c_hawkbob wrote:When I said "one of these things is not like the other" I am not referring to the political right vs the political left, I'm talking about the BLM civil disturbances vs the Capitol insurgence.
c_hawkbob wrote:Of course I don't think everyone on the right is a fascist, thats ridiculous. Although I must say the percentage is a lot higher than I had ever imagined.
c_hawkbob wrote:Just have to get your right spin in don't you? Civil disturbances includes all of the things you said as the alternative. Just not salacious enough for you. When you refer to the civil unrest of the 60's do you recite a similar list with every mention?
c_hawkbob wrote:I didn't spin either thing, I didn't list rioting, looting, vandalism and murder when I said Capitol insurgency either. Interesting that you only saw one as a softball term.
c_hawkbob wrote:Jesus. I was merely trying refer to each as succinctly as possible. You applied your own biases to it.
My point was that I was in no way referring to everyone on right side of the political spectrum as you suggested, but of course you had to take it off on your usual tangent.
I agree, many of those folks are brainwashed and there's no turning back for them. But there are others out there whose minds can be changed, and IMO a good starting point would be to at least listen to some of their grievances. We're not going to get anywhere if both sides retreat to their corners.
I agree, many of those folks are brainwashed and there's no turning back for them. But there are others out there whose minds can be changed, and IMO a good starting point would be to at least listen to some of their grievances. We're not going to get anywhere if both sides retreat to their corners.
I-5 wrote:Sorry if I missed it, but what exactly are the grievances of the brainwashed? How many times can an election be audited for them to be satisfied? I think the real issue with them can't be fixed, because they see Trump is the only rightful winner in any election, and that he is saving all of us from a viper pit of pedophiles.
Over the course of the past few days, the biggest grievance some of my far right friends in my network are complaining about is the contrast between law enforcement and liberal/Dem politician's response, or failure to respond, to the riots this summer and their reaction to the Capitol insurgency. It's not the only grievance, but it's the one everyone has been talking about lately.
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