Aseahawkfan wrote:I thought you were going to bring up the new SPAC Trump created to fund a conservative social media platform so they can no longer be blocked by the obviously biased liberal social media. And how it is becoming inevitable that conservatives will build their own social media network like they did their own media network aka Fox and Newsmax because mainstream companies like Google, Facebook, and the like have chosen to let their liberal bias fully show to the point conservatives will have no choice but to construct their own internet apparatus to challenge their control.
It will be interesting. I've been expecting this for a while. We will see how successful it is.
Conservatives cannot allow Facebook, Google, and the like to block their social media presence or they will lose enormous power.
RiverDog wrote:For blocking conservative content, I sure see one heck of a lot of right wing stuff on my Facebook feed. It's being driven by advertising, not political interests. You know the saying, money talks, bullchit walks.
RiverDog wrote:For blocking conservative content, I sure see one heck of a lot of right wing stuff on my Facebook feed. It's being driven by advertising, not political interests. You know the saying, money talks, bullchit walks.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I think that is just a matter of time before the Democrats and their corporate supporters force the right to build their own social media network including internet providers.
It is not up to the government to protect people from their own stupidity. As long as the government keeps thinking their job is to protect people from their own stupidity, then this is going to continue to happen where they force these folks into alternative place or money to move to support their speech.
What are you saying about your people when you try to sell them that Russia or China running social media campaigns to lie to disseminate false information and they trust this information more than they trust their government? You're saying a few things, one, that your people too stupid to figure out truth from fiction, and two, that you are no longer a trustworthy government and people would rather believe something insane than trust what you are telling them. Then you have to ask yourself why that is. Maybe the government education system sucks. And two, the government and their representatives have lied far too often to be trustworthy.
Either way, you have problems that won't be easily solved by the government taking the stance that they need to ban and try to force companies to manipulate and rid themselves of all information they deem false.
It's just a bad path we're on. And I believe it will be inevitable that conservatives will build their own social media voice just like they did their own media voice. It's going to polarize America and the world even more.
RiverDog wrote: I don't think you can pin all of the blame of our being so polarized on social media, or at least not on their polices and the way they run their platforms. I have Facebook friends that are constantly sharing radical, right wing articles and opinions. I could just as easily unfollow them and their crap wouldn't show up, but I like seeing a variety of viewpoints, even those that are truly insane.
RiverDog wrote:Perhaps sometime in the future. But we're not there yet.
I don't think you can pin all of the blame of our being so polarized on social media, or at least not on their polices and the way they run their platforms. I have Facebook friends that are constantly sharing radical, right wing articles and opinions. I could just as easily unfollow them and their crap wouldn't show up, but I like seeing a variety of viewpoints, even those that are truly insane.
What social media has done is that it has allowed the extreme elements of our society prey on weak minds, and since we are truly a country of morons and stooges, there's a lot of weak minds just waiting for someone to push them to where they want to go.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I did not pin all of the blame on social media. It's just one of many elements driving all of this.
My basic point is after what happened with Trump getting banned from social media has shown conservatives they need a social media voice that isn't controlled by a group of corporations that will buckle to pressure from their opponents allowing the Democrats to control messaging. If you want to hold power, you can't let your voice be silenced.
Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and similar companies have embraced the Democratic and liberal viewpoint. This is very clear. They have tremendous power to silence people on the internet. Conservatives cannot allow that and hope to maintain power in the nation.
Hawktawk wrote:Fascist insurrectionist like trump don’t deserve a mouthpiece . I heard trumps new platform was hacked in hours . He’s a clown act and the only chance dems have in 22 or 24. We will just have to see what the cult does .
Hawktawk wrote:I see plenty of conservative propaganda including most recently mocking Alec Baldwin with memes over an accident that killed a young mother and wife . I saw so many ads attacking Biden, pumping Trump . I’m no fan of yuckerberg. He’s tearing America apart is what he’s doing but far right fascist organizations have themselves and their carnage to blame for being snubbed by the MSM.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Agree with it or not, another fan to the flame could be the settlement payouts for illegal immigrants who were separated. Final amounts have not been decided yet, but it is ranging from several hundred thousand to a couple million dollars depending on the family. This is already becoming very contentious and will continue to be so.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Agree with it or not, another fan to the flame could be the settlement payouts for illegal immigrants who were separated. Final amounts have not been decided yet, but it is ranging from several hundred thousand to a couple million dollars depending on the family. This is already becoming very contentious and will continue to be so.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Yessir, still alive. Always lurking.
Similar, yet unlike in that those were U.S. Citizens who were dispossessed and incarcerated. The rubber is meeting the road here because you have illegal immigrants possibly receiving a huge payout. That may even turn off some moderates. I just don't think it is going to help this administration's image, though I also think that some lesser settlement is going to end up being the case.
I-5 wrote:The gullibility of americans is the gas, but social media is the accelerant in a way that never existed before, and those who manipulate it (not just Trump) know exactly what they’re doing.
I-5 wrote:I accept that Trump will probably win the republicans nomination, but my hope is it drives even more people to come out and vote him down (despite gerrymandering). I’d be disappointed if they don’t at least adjust some of the requirements to run. Not holding my breath, but it would be disappointing nonetheless.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:But these people didn’t over stay their visas. The consternation with this isn’t that they may make payouts to rapists and murderers, it’s that they may make payouts to people that crossed the borders illegally and knowingly. I know that by and large illegal immigrants are not criminals, but I don’t think making some of these families millionaires at the taxpayers’ expense is the way to go. Definitely get them back together, help them get established and provide support to help the transition to a permanent life, but writing a huge check is just irresponsible.
Hawktawk wrote:I feel the truth is in the middle . The Trump policy of separating parents and kids for what amounted to a misdemeanor offense was evil. But million?
Hawktawk wrote:I have my own thought in the border and it’s evolved greatly over the years . The last 20 years of my career I worked with lots of Hispanics including green card holding aliens . I consider many my friends after never meeting one for 40 years of life . As I see fewer and fewer white Americans willing to work and worker shortages of millions I’m willing to employ a Haitian or someone from the northern triangle as long as they want to hold a job and support themselves . We all came here from somewhere .
Hawktawk wrote:I hadn’t heard about that . The border is so fascinating , such a political football . Punting desperate brown skinned people’s lives back and forth for votes . There’s more answers than questions on that border if we got our collective heads out of our …..
Aseahawkfan wrote:It wasn't the Trump Policy separating families. It was a policy in place prior to Trump that was enacted for very good reasons. It was brought to light during Trump because of who he is and nearly completely ignored under other presidents because the law was created for good reasons.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The border issues seem greatly exaggerated by the media and anti-immigrant groups. People have been whining about the border since I was young. You can even watch movies from the 80s and probably before about border issues with Mexico and Central/Latin America. These folks wouldn't even come here if businesses were not hiring them and benefitting. So many of these Republican jackasses pretend they give a crap about border issues, but they don't care. Their business supporters love immigrant labor. Let's them keep labor costs lower. The government loves it because it's more taxes in their pocket. The taxes generated by immigrant labor far exceed the amount we spend to support them.
Hawktawk wrote:I hadn’t heard about that . The border is so fascinating , such a political football . Punting desperate brown skinned people’s lives back and forth for votes . There’s more answers than questions on that border if we got our collective heads out of our …..
Aseahawkfan wrote:Why do you view Latin people this way as brown skinned? Why the obsession with skin color? Programming?
Latin people are a big mix. My mother is American 4th generation and Mexican ancestry. In our family there are people with light brown skin, super fair skin as light or lighter than a person of Northern European ancestry, and people with darker brown skin like a Native American. Latin and Central America were colonized by Spain and Portugal. Are still European based societies speaking Spanish which comes from Spain combined with local languages I imagine. The people there greatly vary in skin coloration.
They're not a bunch of brown skinned people being punted around for votes. They are a people with a collection of different cultural values depending on the nation you live in. They are not all poor and waiting for handouts at the border being oppressed by the mean white Americans. This is one of the many reasons I despise The Democrats philosophy and sales pitch. The way they sell people as victims and their racist view of people is terrible selling them as the black and brown victims white America as though these people don't have cultures, values, and history that aren't all the same.
If you hang out with Latin people, try not to view them all as victimized brown people. An Argentinian doesn't think like a Mexican and doesn't enjoy being grouped together when their history and culture is different.
Man, that crap has driven me nuts for years. My grandfather worked his ass off not be viewed as some brown person being punted around for votes. He wanted to respected for his hard work, his loyalty to America having fought in World War 2, and being a part of this country. The entire way white people view minorities is racist as a whole and equally pushed by Democrats who love to sell them as victims for votes. I hate that garbage. My grandfather and family is middle class. My American of Mexican ancestry uncle worked hard for years and is a millionaire in retirement. His skin is as fair as most white people because he has that strongly Spanish Southern European blood.
I know you're not trying to be offensive. But damn, you have been programmed to think a certain way by the upbringing in this country. It drives me pretty crazy that the liberal media sells this BS narrative.
I even know plenty of folk of African descent, actual African and multigenerational American doing quite well. And people from Africa depending not the nation think quite differently about themselves culturally, yet they are kind of thrown into the black pot because of their skin color even though their culture and customs are completely different.
Sorry for the rant, this view of people popularized by the Democrats pisses me off to no end. It's one of the reasons I have worked very hard to never take a handout from the government, never buy into garbage ideas like white people are against me, or any of that trash thinking that limits people and creates this whole self-identity as a victim. Some person insults me, I'll slap them down like a man. I take care of myself and my own. None of this black and brown victim trash lies and Democrat racist victim mentality.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:They didn't entirely do it without cause; there were despicable people that had no problem using minors who were not their children in order to gain legal entry into the country. Those bad apples ruined it for all the ones who really were parents/ legal guardians.
And I'm not endorsing what happened, and I also stated there should be some form of restitution in getting them back together and on their feet, so I'm not sure what you're taking issue with in my statement. Handing over hundreds of thousands to a few million to immigrant families who likely don't know how to handle that much money is irresponsible. And the main point I was making is that amounts that large are just going to further fan the flames. I doesn't matter the reasons or justifications. If they follow through on that, expect backlash.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:River, the proposal is $450,000 per person. A family of four would get $1.8 million. You, I, and the vast majority of Americans would be fortunate to make that much in a lifetime. You can help them without handing them, yes, a huge sum of money. If it is just peanuts, then please, Fed, cut all of us that amount.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:There’s no reason to not help them and get them on their feet. Support them and help them gain skills to make their own way. And you picked the median home value of one of the highest cost of living states. Surely there must be areas that are cheaper not to mention other states with much lower costs of living that also have job opportunities (in this current economic climate, jobs are everywhere). There has to be other options. Just handing out money and leaving uneducated people to their own devices is a bad idea.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/29/why-biden-administration-would-pay-much-450000-separated-immigrant-families/
I have seen statements of proposed $450,000 per person in the family; family of four, which is probably common, would garner $1.8 million. I don’t necessarily think this is set in stone, and I have said as much.
And I’m confused how unskilled people can’t be used elsewhere other than California. A lot of immigrants work in service jobs and construction. These are all over. I seriously doubt many if any have any kind of formal education or training. They could be useful in many different places. We certainly don’t have to go to the other end of the spectrum like West Virginia to find a reasonable place for them to live and work that is cheaper than California.
As I said in my first post, I really think those numbers will be settled downward. And since your not saying hand them money, they how many more times do I need to say I am for supporting them and setting them up to be in their own? That’s also holding the government accountable.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:If "Adam Ruins Everything" is correct, supposedly, the plaintiff tried to get a reasonable settlement out of McDonald's mainly to cover her medical bills; they laughed it off so she lawyered up and they took it to the next level.
That aside, yes, we're probably a little closer on this than our exchange to this point has suggested. I was born in 1984, so I haven't been as aware of the border issue as you and some of the other posters. It seems to me the issue needs to addressed all-in or all-out. Either make it incredibly difficult to get in (all-out) or have the resources prepared to accept, process, settle, and educate/train them to be productive here (all-in). This in between just looks bungled and unproductive. I'd rather see restitution in the form of all-in than settlement payments.
I'm also not sure what requirements to run it is that you're wanting to adjust.
I'm also not sure what requirements to run it is that you're wanting to adjust.
I-5 wrote:For one, disclosing their private finances - not necessarily publicly, but at least to gov't officials including members of both parties - so that we know if they are under any kind of pressure that could affect their behaviour and consequently compromise the country. Conflicts of interest, outside influence...
I-5 wrote:Two, I never would have dreamed that a mental evaluation would be necessary because what democracy would ever elect a malignant narcissist for example? I believe we did just that in 2016 - however it's probably more a sad commentary on the voting public than Trump himself, but I would be terrified if we ever let someone of either party take the highest office without knowing.
#2 will probably never happen, but #1 should have already been a requirement from the beginning.
The Constitution has clearly spelled out the requirements for POTUS and they do not include such things. Same goes for convicted felons. A candidate could be convicted of murder and it wouldn't prevent them from running for POTUS.
The only way I could be talked into something like that is if they were required to take some sort of objective competency test.
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