Democrat meltdown

[Hawktawk]

Rough night for Dems 1 year after the attempted coup was launched" I won stop counting the votes". Hard to believe its been that long.

Yet Virginia which Biden won by 10 points easily elected a Republican's Governor for their first statewide office win in 12 years. They took the state legislature for the first time in forever. Even more shocking than the trend of utter collapse in a purple/blue state the new Jersey Governors race is too close to call. Another observation was that after Younkin embraced Trump in the primaries he froze him out, didn't allow him to rally and on election eve when Trump held telephone rally Younkin said on air "i'm not associated with that". I still find the flip flopping despicable but I am also encouraged the party may have a path beyond trump. Either way in Seattle , Minnesota, all around the country shocking upsets occurred.

But this is about the party that won the presidency with "not Trump". We in the center wanted a coherent coronavirus response, we wanted competence, dignity. We have gotten a better coronavirus response and a more dignified representation of the office as the recent summit showed. That's about all I've seen I like. Polls show independents as i consider myself overwhelmingly supported Biden but have soured badly. We dont regret trump being gone however.

We did not want a pell mell willy nilly race to the left which seemed to happen from day one. Losing seats in the house and a 50 50 senate is not a mandate. The came Afghanistan which fair or not was the moment the veneer of competence and empathy was stripped away from Joe Biden never to return IMO. Then the supply chain issues, shortages, inflation, whacked job market. Not all that is Bidens fault but its how it goes. a commander in chief almost as dishonest as his predecessor, cant stay awake even on TV, cannot talk with a teleprompter half the time(and dont get into Reagan with me RD this is far worse than dozing off in private policy meetings after 8 years as great president). Frankly I'm ready for Kamala as commander in chief.

I'm not remotely happy with the policy direction of the president, the ineptitude keystone cops in the congress(forget about it now nobody's voting for his agenda)
I don't mind the shot across this administrations bow.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, the election of a former police officer on one coast and an advocate of the police on the opposite side is a firm rejection of the Democrats embracing of the Defund the Police movement initiated by BLM. The message couldn't be clearer.

Neither New Jersey or Virginia should have been close with Biden winning NJ by nearly 16 points and VA by more than 10 points, yet the R's have a 2 percentage point lead in VA and a very slight lead in NJ. To say that it's a Democrat meltdown is a gross understatement. This is not good news for the Dems.

These results have exposed the Democrat's flaws and provided a blue print for wanna be Republicans to follow. The Dems have a lot of work to do if they figure to keep their governing majority in the House and Senate. They would be wise to distance themselves from the progressive wing of the party, people like Sanders, Warren, and "The Squad", that have been pushing all sorts of unpopular initiatives.

[Aseahawkfan]

It doesn't take long for a country to get tired of dumb policies. The Democrats have a lot of dumb policies. We're in a what have you done for me lately country. Americans forget very quickly and go back to their bickering.

That's why Trump in 2024 and winning is a very real possibility.

[RiverDog]

It doesn't take long for a country to get tired of dumb policies. The Democrats have a lot of dumb policies. We're in a what have you done for me lately country. Americans forget very quickly and go back to their bickering.

That's why Trump in 2024 and winning is a very real possibility.

A lot of this is the police reform initiatives, ie Defund the Police, that's been embraced by liberals/progressives. In Minneapolis, the mayor won re-election by refusing to support a ballot measure that his opponents supported that would have replaced the police department and replace it with a new public safety agency and instead vowed to hire more police officers. In Seattle, Bruce Harrell, a Dem that ran on a pro police message, won his election easily over Lorena Gonzales, a progressive and harsh critic of SPD. New York elected a former police department captain as its mayor.

There also appears to be a backlash over vaccine and mask mandates, which I think is unfortunate. The Dems are getting blamed for a lot of these mandates even though much of our current situation is due to Republican resistance to being vaccinated.

[Hawktawk]

For ASF Younkin ran away from trump after winning the nomination. If anything he proved there’s a clear path to victory by holding trump at arms length. I find that encouraging.

[RiverDog]

For ASF Younkin ran away from trump after winning the nomination. If anything he proved there’s a clear path to victory by holding trump at arms length. I find that encouraging.

That's true, but if you look at some of the ideas that Younkin ran on, you can see Donald Trump, specifically "election integrity". He made a lot of hay by being against mask and vaccine mandates, ala Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott. That should be very concerning to moderate Republicans seeking to separate themselves from Trumpism, that those ideas are getting traction amongst voters.

[Aseahawkfan]

For ASF Younkin ran away from trump after winning the nomination. If anything he proved there’s a clear path to victory by holding trump at arms length. I find that encouraging.

That would be nice to see happen. Get away from the super crazy to the regular level of crazy.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's true, but if you look at some of the ideas that Younkin ran on, you can see Donald Trump, specifically "election integrity". He made a lot of hay by being against mask and vaccine mandates, ala Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott. That should be very concerning to moderate Republicans seeking to separate themselves from Trumpism, that those ideas are getting traction amongst voters.

From what I can tell, Republican voters don't like to be told what to do by the government, especially a government of Democrats who vastly overstep their bounds in treating the public like a bunch of schoolchildren they feel they should be able to remove their rights whenever they feel it "necessary." So of course they're going to get backlash.

I don't like the idea of vaccine mandates. I understand them intellectually and feel they have enough safety and efficacy they are good for us, but the American in me just takes offense at the government trying to force something on me. It gets super tiresome and the Democrats do it far more often than the Republicans usually with some smarmy Democrat talking like it's good for us. That type of thinking is just tiresome.

I probably wouldn't have such a knee jerk reaction to the BS Democrats if they weren't doing this all the time. Even now the forced tax on food delivery in Seattle, the forced use of paper straws, the tax on sugary drinks, the way they backdoored us on the 30 dollar tabs by changing the name of the tax and increasing it like they were punishing us for resisting their taxes, new 8 cent tax on plastic bags, and all the ways they just pile on laws and taxes to control us. It just makes you want to rip it all down, drive them out of political office by force, and start tearing things apart. Which is why I understand both the BLM protests and riots and the Capitol Riot. I think it is going to get worse because the Democrats and government entities like the police just won't stop doing what they're doing and I would not be surprised to see some strange groups unite to check their excessive use of power.

[RiverDog]

From what I can tell, Republican voters don't like to be told what to do by the government, especially a government of Democrats who vastly overstep their bounds in treating the public like a bunch of schoolchildren they feel they should be able to remove their rights whenever they feel it "necessary." So of course they're going to get backlash.

Absolutely true, and with good cause. Government has exercised control over us, from seat belt laws that don't protect anyone except the person that doesn't buckle up to idiotic gun control laws like this state's I-1639. I can sympathize with a lot of those types of sentiments.

I don't like the idea of vaccine mandates. I understand them intellectually and feel they have enough safety and efficacy they are good for us, but the American in me just takes offense at the government trying to force something on me. It gets super tiresome and the Democrats do it far more often than the Republicans usually with some smarmy Democrat talking like it's good for us. That type of thinking is just tiresome.

I'm the exact opposite. In a situation where you have either a highly contagious disease or one with a very high mortality rate, I'm good with a nation wide vaccine mandate for anyone without a medical exemption. As my 6th grade teacher once said, "Your rights end where my nose begins." That quite literally articulates my advocation for a nation wide vaccine mandate.

I probably wouldn't have such a knee jerk reaction to the BS Democrats if they weren't doing this all the time. Even now the forced tax on food delivery in Seattle, the forced use of paper straws, the tax on sugary drinks, the way they backdoored us on the 30 dollar tabs by changing the name of the tax and increasing it like they were punishing us for resisting their taxes, new 8 cent tax on plastic bags, and all the ways they just pile on laws and taxes to control us. It just makes you want to rip it all down, drive them out of political office by force, and start tearing things apart. Which is why I understand both the BLM protests and riots and the Capitol Riot. I think it is going to get worse because the Democrats and government entities like the police just won't stop doing what they're doing and I would not be surprised to see some strange groups unite to check their excessive use of power.

The plastic bag ban is a sore subject with me. Inslee signed that POS legislation into law during a pandemic despite the fact that their preferred alternative, cloth bags, was proven to be many more times unsanitary and subject to disease transmission than the bags they were banning. And on the very moment Inslee was signing that measure into law, my former employer, sensitive to the heightened concern over disease transmission, was voluntarily shutting entire plants down for days to do a complete sanitation costing tens of thousands of dollars after just one employee tested positive for Covid. And Inslee had the gall to use the worn out phrase "follow the science" in his speech justifying his Covid response. "Follow the science" only applies if that science doesn't contradict a political objective of his. And people wonder why I'm not a Democrat.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm the exact opposite. In a situation where you have either a highly contagious disease or one with a very high mortality rate, I'm good with a nation wide vaccine mandate for anyone without a medical exemption. As my 6th grade teacher once said, "Your rights end where my nose begins." That quite literally articulates my advocation for a nation wide vaccine mandate.

The COVID19 mortality rate is not what I consider high, but I understand the initial concern. It's low mortality rate is exactly why it's been such a major problem. Ebola has a high mortality rate and kills so fast it barely has time to spread. Whereas COVID19 has a low mortality rate with a high transmissibility which is why it is so astoundingly problematic.

Like I said, intellectually I understand the vaccine mandate. Emotionally I don't like it. The government is untrustworthy and irresponsible. I think giving them this type of power is a bad idea. The more power you give the government, the more they tend to use it and for nefarious purposes.

Even now government leaders discuss the measures they will inflict on us to appease the environmental movement in Scotland at COP26. In essence, elected officials meet with a variety of other governments to enact methods to bring us into line on the environment based on the scientific information that is not proven 100% accurate. That is not a free society when a political and scientific elite get to decide our lives from afar with no real open discussion or debate. It isn't right. It isn't a free society.

I recently watched a few videos on the following political and behavioral methods for controlling us. It's been used a long time on populations, but not as codified as this. This gives you an idea of how the government and scientific community see us. We're lab rats to be pushed in a certain direction by their policy manipulations and managed like lab rats. Even if you are a person capable of making a rational or well-supported decision, if it isn't in line with the current policymakers or scientists pushing an idea, then they will use the instrument of government to force compliance until you habitually follow what they want you to do. That is not at all a free society.

https://behavioralpolicy.org/what-is-nudging/

[RiverDog]

The COVID19 mortality rate is not what I consider high, but I understand the initial concern. It's low mortality rate is exactly why it's been such a major problem. Ebola has a high mortality rate and kills so fast it barely has time to spread. Whereas COVID19 has a low mortality rate with a high transmissibility which is why it is so astoundingly problematic.

That's true. The Delta variant is similar in that it spreads so rapidly that it infects people very quickly then runs out of hosts and drops just as sharply as it rose.

Like I said, intellectually I understand the vaccine mandate. Emotionally I don't like it. The government is untrustworthy and irresponsible. I think giving them this type of power is a bad idea. The more power you give the government, the more they tend to use it and for nefarious purposes.

As far as individual rights go, there's better hills to die on than a stupid vaccine. Gun control, abortion, taxation, imminent domain, the draft, you name it. It's safe, free, and convenient. A few seconds and you're done. It doesn't affect our daily lives.

[Hawktawk]

We have all kinds of vaccine mandates already . It’s a sub cult of the cult .

[Aseahawkfan]

We have all kinds of vaccine mandates already . It’s a sub cult of the cult .

The whole political situations has made this all the more miserable.

Read on that nudging crap. Get a look at how the government sees you behind the scenes. They'll get up there and put on that grandfatherly face or that crazy uncle there to help you out, behind the scenes their testing polls, consulting behavioral specialists, and engaging in propaganda campaigns to mass manipulate you using the media. I know it's been this way for all time even before Machiavelli wrote The Prince. These rich people are studying our psychology, we can study theirs as in how they look at us as a herd to manage with their massive resources. Push in a given direction or nudge us where they want us to go.

It sickens to you read how the national leadership and scientific community see us. Just a bunch of rubes for them to prod in a particular direction to make money off us whether selling us products and services or taxing the living hell out of us.

[RiverDog]

We have all kinds of vaccine mandates already . It’s a sub cult of the cult .

There's a more understandable and rational objection to seat belt and motorcycle helmet laws than there are to vaccine mandates. At least with those two, you're only placing yourself in jeopardy if you fail to comply.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah good point RD. Frankly I don’t feel Iike like a rube at all . I shut off cable news for the most part in 2016. I read my news on the Drudge Report and dig deep for information . I’ve made my best choice on my own , it’s the common sense choice ; a no brainer really . My eyes are wide open . I still feel this pandemic and the tsunami of disruption to the planet could spell doom for us all if we don’t work together . As you say their choice to not vax affects everyone’s safety as I’ve personally experienced this week .