RiverDog wrote:It's looking like the R's will flip the House. NBC has projected that the Republicans will win 220 seats and the Dems 215, saying that they are "99.5% confident of their prediction." Kevin McCarthy has already declared victory. CNN and Fox are being more conservative. Both have the R's ahead by 199 to 178/172. The Senate is still too close to call, with races in AZ, GA, WI, and NV undecided. NV and WI are trending red. AZ is leaning blue. GA has a law that requires a 50+1 percent majority so there's likely going to be a head-to-head run off, so we may not find out who wins the Senate for another month or so. Dr. Oz has lost; Ron DeSantis is winning his election in Florida by a huge margin of almost 20 points in a formerly purple state (remember 2000?) that has to be considered solidly red. DeSantis' win likely put him to the head of the pack for POTUS in 2024. We'll see if he makes a clean break from Trump. PA is turning bluer. So, the map is changing somewhat.
It's definitely not going to be the big red wave that a lot of the talking heads were predicting, but even if they don't win the Senate, flipping the House would be a big deal for the R's. For one, it sends Nancy Pelosi to the sidelines. But it won't be a huge governing majority that they'll need to open up a bunch of investigations on Biden as the Dems had feared. And one has to keep in mind that the Dems held a significant mathematical advantage in the Senate, having to defend far fewer seats than the R's, so they should have had no problem maintaining control.
Bottom line is that the R's are likely to come out winners. If they hold onto their lead in the House, it will be a significant win. If they succeed in flipping the Senate, it will be a huge win.
Still more reports are coming in about former President Donald Trump's angry reactions to seeing some of his hand-picked candidates face defeat during Tuesday's midterm elections.
The New York Times' Maggie Haberman chimed in on Twitter with her own dispatch that claimed the twice-impeached former president is now even blaming former first lady Melania Trump for some of his own poor endorsements.
"Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz -- including his wife, describing it as not her best decision, according to people close to him," Haberman writes.
Haberman also reports that the losses of Trump-backed candidates such as Oz and Don Bolduc may impact his decision to announce his third presidential campaign next week.
c_hawkbob wrote:This is rich:
"Still more reports are coming in about former President Donald Trump's angry reactions to seeing some of his hand-picked candidates face defeat during Tuesday's midterm elections.
The New York Times' Maggie Haberman chimed in on Twitter with her own dispatch that claimed the twice-impeached former president is now even blaming former first lady Melania Trump for some of his own poor endorsements.
"Trump is indeed furious this morning, particularly about Mehmet Oz, and is blaming everyone who advised him to back Oz -- including his wife, describing it as not her best decision, according to people close to him," Haberman writes.
Haberman also reports that the losses of Trump-backed candidates such as Oz and Don Bolduc may impact his decision to announce his third presidential campaign next week."
Stream Hawk wrote:What is this investigation you mention regarding Biden? Biden has nothing to hide. Are you talking hunters laptop lol. Dems are not afraid. It also appears that Trump has lost any sort of leverage. He is done.
RiverDog wrote:Hunter Biden, for sure, but there's also other stuff, like the failure to control the southern border, the politicization of the DOJ, and the pull out in Afghanistan are all topics that one person or another have talked about as possible impeachment charges.
Here's an interesting quote from Al Franken:
Comedian and former Democratic Congressman Al Franken said he was worried that Republicans would investigate Crackhead Hunter Biden and impeach President Brain-Dead Biden if they took control of Congress in the midterm elections.
And from Jim Jordan:
In March, top Republican Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio said that Republican leaders would consider impeaching Biden, if they gained control of Congress, over the president’s “failures in office, most notably his administration’s inability to stop a massive influx of illegal immigration through the southern border.”
A poll in May also found that almost 70% of registered Republican voters said that Biden should be impeached if Republicans take control of Congress.
I'm not saying that any of those potential charges are legitimate and now that they won't have a substantial majority in the House, they're not going to get any of them approved by the full House. But I promise you, they will open at least a couple of investigations, the most likely being Hunter Biden.
I-5 wrote:Hunter Biden and Jim Jordan? The former isn't a member of the administration, and the latter's accusations are typical rhetoric at best. Trump could have been impeached many more times if we went by pure rhetoric.
RiverDog wrote:I'm not sure what your point is. The only standard for impeachment is "bribery, treason, and other high crimes and misdemeanors", meaning that they could impeach Biden for spitting on the sidewalk if the House were to consider it a "high crime or misdemeanor."
RiverDog wrote:I'm not sure what your point is. The only standard for impeachment is "bribery, treason, and other high crimes and misdemeanors", meaning that they could impeach Biden for spitting on the sidewalk if the House were to consider it a "high crime or misdemeanor."
I-5 wrote:The point is they have nothing on Biden.
Stream Hawk wrote:Your “former” party is a freaking s*** show. The reason nothing is getting accomplished right now is because of the bat s*** crazy GQP. I never once voted Republican in my life never. However now I will never trust/respect anyone who votes Republican during these times.
Stream Hawk wrote:Your “former” party is a freaking s*** show. The reason nothing is getting accomplished right now is because of the bat s*** crazy GQP. I never once voted Republican in my life never. However now I will never trust/respect anyone who votes Republican during these times.
Hawktawk wrote:I never voted dem till last cycle strictly due to Trump . And Stream get your blinders off . Lots of $H@t shows among the libs. Embrace every kook fringe left wing group . Sanction anarchy in our city streets . Celebration of lifestyles that many Americans are uncomfortable with . Never saw a tax hike they didn’t like, a social program to create on the backs of our great grandkids . Yeah I know the right is welfare for rich . And defending an Anglo Saxon Judeo Christian world view.
One side cares too much about rich people and the other cares about poor and weird and displaced people they force everyone to embrace their political strategy or be called names . They forget about the overwhelming number of constituents that work ,, pay their bills , maintain a home without their hand out . Be generous with other peoples money .
I’m squarely in the center now . I will not reliably support either party . Both are screwed
I-5 wrote:The point is they have nothing on Biden.
c_hawkbob wrote:There is nothing about not trusting "one out of every four people over the age of 18" that should make Stream's life miserable, I trust far fewer than that and I'm just fine.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Get behind DeSantis who won't bring the crazy with him to the White House while still being conservative.
RiverDog wrote:Perhaps miserable was a bad way to put it, so let me say this: IMO it's absurd to think of a person as untrustworthy for no other reason other than they voted for a Republican (or for that matter, a Democrat). If I were guilty of that, to at random consider one out of every four of my fellow human beings as not worthy of my trust, it would make me holier than Thou.
RiverDog wrote:DeSantis is a joke. Recently, he pulled two political stunts. He shipped several hundred people guilty of nothing more than trespassing some 500 miles just to make a political statement. He also had arrested a number of people that cast an illegal vote (Oh, the horror!), again to make a political statement. He abuses his powers as Governor, uses people as pawns, to score points with his political base. If that's not craziness, I don't know what is.
There is nothing about DeSantis to suggest that he won't adapt Trump-style craziness if he were elected POTUS. Unless the Democratic alternative is completely unacceptable to me, he's not getting my vote.
Stream Hawk wrote:Your “former” party is a freaking s*** show. The reason nothing is getting accomplished right now is because of the bat s*** crazy GQP. I never once voted Republican in my life never. However now I will never trust/respect anyone who votes Republican during these times.
RiverDog wrote:Perhaps miserable was a bad way to put it, so let me say this: IMO it's absurd to think of a person as untrustworthy for no other reason other than they voted for a Republican (or for that matter, a Democrat). If I were guilty of that, to at random consider one out of every four of my fellow human beings as not worthy of my trust, it would make me holier than Thou.
RiverDog wrote:But that fact means nothing. It isn't going to stop the R's from impeaching him. All you need is a simple majority of the House to agree that Biden is guilty of "treason, bribery, or a high crimes/misdemeanor" in order to impeach a POTUS.
And it certainly isn't going to stop them from setting up various committees to air out some of Biden's dirty laundry...and there's always dirty laundry...on various potential issues, like Hunter Biden, Afghanistan, the DOJ, the southern border, et al. It doesn't necessarily require an impeachment inquiry. The only thing that's going to stop them is that they won't have a governing majority in the House or the Senate. They will stop Biden's agenda, but they're not going to be able to advance very much of their own. Say hello to gridlock, and IMO that's not necessarily a bad thing.
As expected, the economy/inflation was by far the biggest issue cited by voters, pushing abortion way down the list:
Nearly half of voters name the economy the top issue facing the country, and those voters back Republicans more than Democrats. No other issue comes close, but many other issues are named most important by about 1 in 10 voters. That includes abortion, health care, climate change and gun policy, where Democrats outpace Republicans by at least three to one.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... osition_02
I-5 wrote:Do you remember what it was you said when the dems impeached Trump? Impeachment is the latest fashion. The more it happens, the less meaning it carries. Having said that, I doubt they'll make the case. They don't have anything like what the dems had on Trump via the Zelensky call.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Just to make it clear when I say back DeSantis. I mean if you can vote in your primary to elect the Republican nominee for president, vote for DeSantis. Not because you love the guy or think he's great, but to get rid of Trump. To stop this guy from running again and possibly causing another headache should he lose again.
As far as president, I have no idea if DeSantis can beat a Democratic candidate. I just know if he can beat Trump, vote him as the nominee. If you knock Trump out before he is even nominated, then the Republicans can spend their time fighting amongst each other.
So encourage your Republican friends as I am doing to move their allegiance to DeSantis. Get Trump off the ticket. Don't even let him run again. DeSantis taking the nomination for the Republican Party is far better than Trump getting it.
It's pretty clear Trump fear DeSantis and is already attacking him because if DeSantis takes the Republican nomination, then Trump is all done. Since no one seems to be able to end this guy whether it's the Democrats or the Liz Cheney and the Republicans against Trump, supporting DeSantis for the nomination may be the most sure path of getting rid of Trump.
I-5 wrote:If DeSantis becomes the republican nominee in 2024, what does it say about the party that they have 2 clowns as nominees the past 8 years? And the way the electoral college is built, we may well have another clown in office. We will deserve it.
Hawktawk wrote:Desantus is downright normal in comparison to Trump but he rode his coat tails and embraced MAGA. And he’s used human lives and a pandemic to score political points with MAGA. No thanks . I’ll never support anyone who ever supported trump . I’ve been the rarest political creature for 6 years now . I was as anti Trump from day one as pro Geno .
I’ll vote for any Republican who voted to impeach trump . Nobody else .
I-5 wrote:If DeSantis becomes the republican nominee in 2024, what does it say about the party that they have 2 clowns as nominees the past 8 years? And the way the electoral college is built, we may well have another clown in office. We will deserve it.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Dems confirmed to have held the Senate.
Now let's see what happens in the House. Much tighter than expected.
I do think the abortion issue was bigger than Republicans thought. It will continue to be as these Republican states make it illegal and threaten more to ban it. Republicans would have done much better if The Supreme Court hadn't overturned Roe vs. Wade. All those conservative justices cost the Republican Party Congress and may continue to cost them as the looney religious right push anti-abortion laws.
I-5 wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abortion-law-2022-midterm-elections/
Anyone still think the reversal of Roe v Wade had little to no effect on the midterms? Not only do I think it most certainly was on the minds of voters even in states like Kentucky and Montana that were directly voting to maintain access to abortion, republicans shouldn’t be surprised by what happened in senate races like Pennsylvania. To me, that’s what helped topple some republican candidates, and I believe this issue will have legs into the next election. SCOTUS went against a clear majority of Americans when it reversed R v W. This is not a surprise.
RiverDog wrote:[I'd have to go back and look at my original statements, but I don't think I ever said that abortion would "have little to no effect." I said that the major issue would be the economy/inflation/gas prices.
Yes, a clear majority were against the Roe v Wade decision, but not an overwhelming majority. As I noted above, 61% of those concerned about abortion were unhappy with the decision. That's not a huge number, especially when you consider that most of those 61% were going to vote Democratic anyway.
One of the issues that did factor in and that contributed to the lower than expected red wave was the threat to democracy and Donald Trump, and that did break for the Dems in almost every case. It certainly made a difference in Arizona, one of the swing states with a close Senate race that tipped to the Dems and likely guarantees them at least a split.
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