Trump in a tailspin

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Re: Trump in a tailspin

Postby RiverDog » Mon May 15, 2023 5:13 am

Hawktawk wrote:Did I read Asea say Trump isn’t “ physical “ enough to have raped her . He’s 6’3” 240 lbs. several other of his likely hundred or victims have described him as looming over them, towering . He raped her and was found liable by 12 peers of sexual battery . You good old boys make me throw up a little .

Donald has victims , not accusers . In most countries he would be in prison . As a former leader doing what he did and continues doing he might be facing a firing squad .

Evil man but some want to give him a little wiggle room . Well he didn’t “ rape “ her . If he put hands on her with the intent it’s the same thing . Just like a certain zit faced puke scotus trying to rip a swimsuit off a 14 year old girl .

I don’t believe every woman. I believe these ones 100 percent .


Aseahawkfan wrote:Yeah. I said Trumps' a weakling. His physical size is irrelevant. Man don't have it in him to physically pull off that kind of crap. He'd run from anyone trying to fight him and cry to his security. Never heard that dude fighting, lifting weights, doing anything physical in his life.


I have no idea if Trump was a weakling/chicken or not, but we're talking about 30 years ago when he was in his 40's. He outweighed his victim by close to 100 pounds and was about 6" taller, so he certainly had the physical capability to overpower the typical female of the accuser's height/weight. But I still am not convinced that he had intercourse with her. It was a department store dressing room, a very confined space, so they had to both be standing upright. He would have had to disrobe a struggling female, keep her from escaping while exposing himself, and get the point where he could penetrate her seems physically problematic. She and Trump would have had to experienced significant bruising, scratches, and torn clothing, none of which was presented as evidence. That doesn't mean that I'm sure that he didn't, but in my mind, it lowers it below the 50% more likely than not threshold.

Aseahawkfan wrote:No. He doesn't have victims. He has transactional relationships and opportunistic women trying to bleed him for cash and fame, just like he's had his entire life. That's why he dates models, supermodels, pornstars, and the like because he's into transactional relationships where he pays them or gives them a Hollywood opportunity or let's them mix with his rich friends. He's always been the typical rich guy using his money and influence to get women and crap he wants.


There's no reason why he can't have both victims and gold-digging women trying to bleed cash out of him. Besides, the sheer number of complaints lodged against him, as it was in DeShawn Watson's transgressions, is a strong indicator of a sexual predator. You can rationalize away a few accusers as gold diggers, but not 18. Add into the equation the proven fact that many women are extremely reluctant to come forward and file charges in sexual-related crimes and his own statements bragging about his conquests and behavior.

Aseahawkfan wrote:As far as who should be in jail in most nations, that's just rubbish. The political scandals in other nations are just as bad and politicians get away with just as much garbage if they are wealthy and powerful enough. It's just how it works. That's why Epstein had rich men from around the world coming to visit his island and enjoy his offerings as wealthy and powerful men used young women as prostitutes.


I agree. The United States is far from alone when it comes to rich and powerful men taking advantage of at-risk women. Take a look at Prince Andrew. I have no doubt that similar crimes are committed in places like China and Russia.
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Re: Trump in a tailspin

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon May 15, 2023 5:41 am

RiverDog wrote:I have no idea if Trump was a weakling/chicken or not, but we're talking about 30 years ago when he was in his 40's. He outweighed his victim by close to 100 pounds and was about 6" taller, so he certainly had the physical capability to overpower the typical female of the accuser's height/weight. But I still am not convinced that he had intercourse with her. It was a department store dressing room, a very confined space, so they had to both be standing upright. He would have had to disrobe a struggling female, keep her from escaping while exposing himself, and get the point where he could penetrate her seems physically problematic. She and Trump would have had to experienced significant bruising, scratches, and torn clothing, none of which was presented as evidence.


Well, I can. I've followed Trump since I was 16, that's 35 years or so. He's a weakling who hasn't done much physical in his life. The man talks big, but if he had to physically confront someone he'd be calling for security or talking his way out of it.

There's no reason why he can't have both victims and gold-digging women trying to bleed cash out of him. Besides, the sheer number of complaints lodged against him, as it was in DeShawn Watson's transgressions, is a strong indicator of a sexual predator. You can rationalize away a few accusers as gold diggers, but not 18. Add into the equation the proven fact that many women are extremely reluctant to come forward and file charges in sexual-related crimes and his own statements bragging about his conquests and behavior.


Watson and Trump are apples and oranges as you like to say. Nothing alike. Trump's charges came up after he decided to enter politics and the Democrats started drudging up charges for him and everyone associated with him. I've watched completely Trumped up crap for years with Trump now. Stuff other politicians have done and gotten away with all over the world. But because Trump has lost his protection from guys like McConnell and his big money backers, he's getting to experience the painful reality of trying to battle in D.C. with no help.

I agree. The United States is far from alone when it comes to rich and powerful men taking advantage of at-risk women. Take a look at Prince Andrew. I have no doubt that similar crimes are committed in places like China and Russia.


Right now we're watching political warfare with Trump. If he knew how to shut his mouth, he'd be like Bill Clinton, in the news bit but untouchable. Bill Clinton has done all kinds of scumbag crap, had multiple accusers of sexual assault, been accused of rape and the like, he gets a pass because he stays off the radar unlike the idiot Trump.

This is not a moral issue like some are trying to make it. If Americans really gave a crap about morality, this whole country would elect different people and hell of a lot more people would be in jail including a bunch of politicians, wealthy business people, priests and other powerful religious people, and so many more. So when I hear someone like hawktawk talking about morality while he's voting for Biden who obviously has done a ton of garbage himself, then I'm not buying it.

Trump is getting what he gets because he don't know how to operate in Washington D.C. and pissed off way too many people in both parties that don't want his stupid, idiot, unpredictable ass anywhere near The Oval Office. He got the the tax cuts they wanted, but his other rubbish has grown tiresome. Trump just too damn dumb to know when he's beat. He's going to learn soon enough to cry uncle or risk the destruction of everything he has built. That's why Ivanka and Jared Kushner have run for sidelines because even his own family can see he's lost his key support from powerful people in the Republican Party but he keeps hoping he can win it back by proving he can win another White House bid.

His sorry ass isn't winning nothing. He'll find out soon enough when the Republican nomination process starts and he's under assault from all sides.

Washington D.C. tolerates a lot of criminal and rotten behavior, always has. What the don't tolerate is riots and attacks on the Capitol and idiots who don't when to shut their damn mouths. Only reason Biden is more viable than Trump is he's better than Trump at shutting his mouth, given that was his biggest criticism prior to winning that tells you how bad Trump is at shutting his mouth even when it would be a huge positive.
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Re: Trump in a tailspin

Postby RiverDog » Mon May 15, 2023 7:10 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Watson and Trump are apples and oranges as you like to say. Nothing alike. Trump's charges came up after he decided to enter politics and the Democrats started drudging up charges for him and everyone associated with him. I've watched completely Trumped up crap for years with Trump now. Stuff other politicians have done and gotten away with all over the world. But because Trump has lost his protection from guys like McConnell and his big money backers, he's getting to experience the painful reality of trying to battle in D.C. with no help.


That's simply not true. Trump had two charges filed against him long before he entered politics:

Two of the allegations (by Ivana Trump and Jill Harth) became public before Trump's candidacy for president, but the rest arose after a 2005 audio recording was leaked during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Ivana Trump filed hers in court in 1990; Harth filed hers in 1997, later settling out of court.

I'm sure that some of those charges filed against Trump post 2015 were at least in part politically and/or financially motivated. But just because the motivation to file them was due to that kind of motivation doesn't mean that they didn't happen.
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