RiverDog wrote:Hawktawk wrote:Hey I may have been venting but what did I say that was untrue? Is it OK to get lathered up when U think America is going down the tank? Sorry I don't think theres time to be polite....
For starters, that he should be impeached. Not by the wildest stretch of the imagination did Obama commit "bribery, treason, and other high crimes and misdemeanors" as defined by the Constitution.
Secondly, the economy has been a rather mixed bag, not "absolutely terrible" as you characterize it. For example, unemployment has been on a steady decline since he took office and is currently at 6.3%. Anytime you tickle 5%, you're doing great. The stock market has performed rather well and inflation has been under control, coming in at 1.3%. This baby boomer remembers well the double digit inflation component of the infamous "misery index" of the late 70's and early 80's.
The requirements of a good, civil debate is that you not come into it with an agenda and try to keep an open mind.
The economy is terrible. The numbers are cooked like a Christmas turkey. The real unemployment rate is nearer to 20 percent when you count all the underemployed people, people who gave up, people who have weaseled their way onto some sort of disability. Inflation sure looks bad to me when I buy gas or groceries.Food stamp use has nearly tripled in the last 6 years. The stock market is monopoly money, absolutely a house of cards designed for the fat cats to get fatter and the little guys to wind up holding the bag. If its a recovery at all its the weakest in history despite dumping so much of China's money into stimulus we could have given every American many thousands of dollars directly. And yet 6 years later they will still try to blame Bush!!!!!!!!!!
I was open minded in 2006 when Obama gave the Democratic response to the State of the Union. I thought he was an articulate, passionate moderate populist based on his prepared remarks, and as a lifelong Conservative I considered him someone I could vote for.I never gave a damn about his race, still don't. As I became aware of his radical connections to communists etc and his devotion to reverend Wrights hate speech based church I decided the old war hero was a better option. After watching this guy operate for 6 years the time for debate is over IMO. My mind is made up. Hes incompetent or evil, probably both.
As a man who admittedly did not support Obama's election yet refuses to see Impeachable offenses you are exactly the the type of person who is part of the reason he hasn't been.
Richard Nixon resigned facing certain Impeachment for covering up a 3rd rate political espionage burglary which he did not authorize. Bill Clinton was actually impeached by the house for covering up some stains on a blue dress. And mind you Obama couldn't sniff the jock strap of those 2 heavyweight leaders.
So here goes with the impeachable stuff. #1 Obama care. Not the dreadful law itself crammed through without 1 Republican vote. It is the fact that as the implications of the law began to skew public opinion against he and his party he has made 38 fundamental changes to the LAW PASSED BY CONGRESS without consulting Congress.Its all about delaying the real pain of this albatross until the midterms.But love em or hate em Congress is supposed to make and change laws. Its called separation of powers. Obama rules like an emperor.
#2 Benghazi. Sheer ineptitude led to the death of 2 navy seals and a sitting ambassador and his aide. Nobody even knows where our commander in chief was as our real estate was under attack and our citizens were screaming for backup. It is rumored he was in debate prep. But it really becomes impeachable when you march out Susan Rice to 5 Sunday shows to tell an absolute whopper to the American people and then the POS OTUS himself goes out and says the same thing for weeks. It was all about preserving an election victory. The fact that it is still being covered up now is about covering peoples asses. CIA operatives are still being polygraphed regularly and we really never have heard from other survivors. Its creepy,USSR esque.
#3 the refusal to enforce the immigration laws causing a crisis of huge proportions on our southern border. This one is staggering but unless you watch Fox or peruse alternative media you wont hear hardly a peep about it.Again, suppression of the real truth, border agents being threatened with termination for speaking to the media or showing pictures of the human disaster unfolding.
#4 trading 5 senior Taliban leaders for a soldier who deserted his post. Impeachable for not consulting any member of congress, ostensibly to prevent leaks although 90 administration officials knew. Oh and marching out good old Susan Rice to say the deserter served "with honor and distinction". Watching Baghdad Bob the father rattle off some Islamic nonsense in the rose garden was merely revolting, not impeachable, as is watching this administration impugn the character of the men who stayed and fought and had to go look for this piece of human excrement.
And anyone who thinks its a coincidence that Iraq is falling apart and Pakistan is under Islamic fundamentalist attack is a fool. This deal energized our sworn enemies who will never quit trying to kill us. Its called giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
This one might get him, because even the good Democrats have had it with him now.
I could go on and on. If these aren't impeachable offenses we ought to just do away with the entire concept.
Naw RD I don't think you can have a civil discussion about it anymore. Time is about up on America. I always wondered how great civilizations died. I'm watching the plane fly into the mountain and I'm on it, so sorry if I'm a little shrill.
I repeat my question, if you still support him and like him as president, why? Anybody?