et69 wrote:The NFL says you can't show excessive celebration on the field BUT you can pray on the field ! ??? What BS! I for one and sick and tired of the hyper pseudo- patriotic and pseudo-religious crap that goes on during sports games. It's a GAME for Christ's sake or Mohammad's sake or Buddha's sake...(pardon the puns). Patriotism and religion are NOT a sporting event and if one is religious or patriotic then you ought to be offended that this junk is allowed to occur at such events.
Seahawks4Ever wrote: That KC player Abdullah going on his knees to Allah didn't bother me, it was the 10 yard slide he did before he did his kneel that was wrong, and that is what he was flagged for. Yet, the NFL felt the need to say the penalty flag was wrong, go figure.
c_hawkbob wrote:Not long at all:
burrrton wrote:
You gotta be kidding me. THAT'S what has everyone's panties in a wad??
kalibane wrote:Nah this didn't have anything to do with it being a muslim display. The rule is that you can't go to the gound to celebrate. So as soon as he went to the ground they threw theh flag. Anyone thinking this was discimination against Islamists are either stupid or have an agenda.
kalibane wrote:Nah this didn't have anything to do with it being a muslim display. The rule is that you can't go to the gound to celebrate. So as soon as he went to the ground they threw theh flag. Anyone thinking this was discimination against Islamists are either stupid or have an agenda.
TAUNTING
(c) The use of baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Individual players involved in prolonged or excessive celebrations. Players are prohibited from
engaging in any celebrations while on the ground. A celebration shall be deemed excessive or
prolonged if a player continues to celebrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two-or-more players engage in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game
on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.
The refs flagged the 29-year-old veteran for dropping to his knees after the play, technically a violation of the league’s celebration rules. But it was rather apparent that Abdullah, a devout Muslim, was practicing the Sajdah, a religious prayer.
As former NFL referee Mike Pereira pointed out last season, going to one’s knees to give praise is exempt from that enforcement.
obiken wrote: but what is it with the black athlete that he has to go into a big production in sports after scoring.
We just lost to Arizona because our DE had to do a big happy dance after sacking the Wildcat QB. Come on, find another form of self expression like red hair.
kalibane wrote:Black players dominate the NFL period but especially the RB and WR positions. Those are the guys who score most of the TDs. Thus you see more black guys celebrating. Gronk makes just as much of a production out of his spike. There is the Aaron Rodgers championship belt. While not as ritualistic, Brett Farve would sprint 40 yards down the field to celebrate after he threw a TD pass. And of course Mark Gastineau is probably the main reason why the NFL started cracking down on celebrations in the first place.
kalibane wrote:Those are stereotypes River. That might have been true (the willing to break social mores thing) in the 1970's where a bunch of the black players were fresh off the civil rights movement. But that's still a complete shot in the dark at trying to explain what you're seeing. One black player in the 1970's did it so it's a black thing?
These generations playing 45 years later have no real link to that generation. It's a completely different mindset. Most of them don't even know when the Civil Rights era was. Every one of the players today was raised in a "look at me" reality TV, social media atmosphere. And that's what we're talking about, this generation of players.
Aaron Rodgers and JJ Watt aren't taking their cues from black players. Nothing about them off the the field has anything to do with copying black players. In fact they are pretty much opposites of the stereotypes of "black culture". Aaron Rodgers is a California boy into Country Music and Gronk is a walking "bro" stereotype that you could make into an SNL skit. That's who they are. But you would have me believe that in this one teeny tiny little aspect of their lives, it's the one thing they saw from black people and were like "yeah I'm going to do that". Makes no sense.
I don't know how you remember the Fun Bunch as being infamous but don't remember Gastineau's sack dance. ESPN Classic did a special on Gastineau called "Lord of the Dance". An excerpt from the synopsis: "In large part because of Gastineau's sack-dance antics, the NFL adopted a rule the following March banning such celebrations."
I've always been a fan of endzone celebrations. But like you I despise the celebrating after a first down or a tackle on 2nd down stuff that is routine.
kalibane wrote:Still disagree. I don't see anything about Rap and Baggy Jeans that is more counter culture than Grunge, Tattoos and Body Piercing.
I disagree that backwards hats came out of the back community though or is even really counter culture. Baseball players have been donning their caps backwards forever as "rally caps". I remember it became a ridiculous talking point when Griffey Jr. was warming up with a backwards cap. But people were wearing them backwards well before Griffey came on the scene. If anything, in my youth it was something I associated with frat boys.
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