RiverDog wrote:Expect it to be a huge topic in the midterms and beyond. Republicans are going to use this like a hammer. And the sad thing is that they don't have to use any quacky conspiracy theories, it's empirical evidence that has a very clear cause and effect timeline.
Following the George Floyd murder and the BLM riots, Washington state, one of the bluest states in the union and controlled by Democrats, passed an ill advised measure and signed into law by Gov. Inslee that restricted law enforcement from pursuing suspected stolen vehicles. That law went into effect in July of 2021, and here's the result:
Washington ranks among the top ten states with the highest car theft rate. Statewide, vehicle thefts have increased 88% since last year.
Last July, lawmakers passed new laws that no longer gave law enforcement the authority to pursue a suspected stolen vehicle. Since then, vehicle thefts have accelerated.
Officials say this has created an environment where criminal activity can flourish. "If we attempt to stop a stolen vehicle and it drives away, there's nothing we can do about it," said Lieutenant Jason Keil.
In July of 2021, new laws went into effect placing restrictions on the tools law enforcement have the authority to use in order to detain, pursue, or investigate suspects. Police say this has left a large gap where criminals now have the upper hand in committing auto theft related crimes. "This really empowers the criminals, the people that are committing the crime and stealing these cars, they know we can't chase after them," Lieutenant Keil said.
Since the laws changed in July, statistics show auto-thefts have increased by 93%. Officials believe this is a direct result of the restrictions placed on investigating criminal activity. Lieutenant Keil told us a stolen vehicle can lead to the possibility of more extreme crimes. "We have seen instances where stolen vehicles are used to commit other crimes, not only in our area, but statewide," said Lieutenant Keil.
https://keprtv.com/news/local/car-theft ... jDWwzm3nIs
mykc14 wrote:We have a lot of stupid laws like this that don't make much sense.
RiverDog wrote:
Yes, we do. But a lot of us could see this coming. If I could find the thread, I could go back and dig up some of the comments as we had a discussion about this initiative when it was first proposed then signed into law.
The other thing that could enter into this increase in crime is the staff shortages many PD's are facing. Some are as a result of the labor shortage that all occupations are facing, but a lot is the result of the Defund the Police movement that demoralized many officers and potential officers. I know that the Seattle PD had a huge number of resignations.
mykc14 wrote:No question. Legalizing drugs, not prosecuting shop lifting, vandalism, vagrancy, battery, etc... Extreme liberal policies are destroying some of the most beautiful cities in America and are having a huge impact on our state. These stupid laws are passed, taxes are increased to pay for the damage, insurance rates are raised to pay for the damage, etc. I can't blame any law enforcement officers who looked for employment elsewhere following the BLM and Defund the Police movements. We are going to feel the effects of this for a long time and be prepared for another BLM resurgence during the next presidential election. How much damage will we allow this time?
RiverDog wrote:
Boy, I hope we don't have another wave of protests and crime in 2024. Perhaps its just wishful thinking, but IMO a big part of the riots and lawlessness in the last Presidential election was driven by the pandemic, something that we shouldn't have to deal with two years from now.
mykc14 wrote:I also hope that we don't but a pattern could be forming around the BLM protests and presidential elections. 2016 saw an uptick in protests becoming riots and 2020 dwarfed that and in-between there wasn't much. Most of the worst riots were in Democrat controlled cities who want to push the narrative of systematic racism and riots push that agenda. With that being said I don't know how much of the violence was from BLM specifically vs. other people/organizations who used the movement as a trojan horse to cause destruction. Liberal ran cities gave the protests a lot of space which allowed groups and people to just do whatever they wanted- destruction, chaos, etc. IMO this has to do with the liberal mind-set. Give people space to voice/act out their frustration how they feel they need to. It's not our job to stop them or tell them how to protest. Black people should be able to loot and rob- it's a form of reparations, etc... IMO deep down these leaders know this is not good for our country but they feel like it helps paint the narratives that will allow them to get re-elected.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I fail to understand how the Democrats see this as intelligent management of law enforcement and crime to create these situations that discourage police from intervening and lower the thresholds for what is a property crime. They just expect us all to be ok with it. And for some reason, enough voters just keep tolerating a jackass like Jay Inslee and the Seattle City Council. I don't get it.
RiverDog wrote:Expect it to be a huge topic in the midterms and beyond. Republicans are going to use this like a hammer. And the sad thing is that they don't have to use any quacky conspiracy theories, it's empirical evidence that has a very clear cause and effect timeline.
Following the George Floyd murder and the BLM riots, Washington state, one of the bluest states in the union and controlled by Democrats, passed an ill advised measure and signed into law by Gov. Inslee that restricted law enforcement from pursuing suspected stolen vehicles. That law went into effect in July of 2021, and here's the result:
Washington ranks among the top ten states with the highest car theft rate. Statewide, vehicle thefts have increased 88% since last year.
Last July, lawmakers passed new laws that no longer gave law enforcement the authority to pursue a suspected stolen vehicle. Since then, vehicle thefts have accelerated.
Officials say this has created an environment where criminal activity can flourish. "If we attempt to stop a stolen vehicle and it drives away, there's nothing we can do about it," said Lieutenant Jason Keil.
In July of 2021, new laws went into effect placing restrictions on the tools law enforcement have the authority to use in order to detain, pursue, or investigate suspects. Police say this has left a large gap where criminals now have the upper hand in committing auto theft related crimes. "This really empowers the criminals, the people that are committing the crime and stealing these cars, they know we can't chase after them," Lieutenant Keil said.
Since the laws changed in July, statistics show auto-thefts have increased by 93%. Officials believe this is a direct result of the restrictions placed on investigating criminal activity. Lieutenant Keil told us a stolen vehicle can lead to the possibility of more extreme crimes. "We have seen instances where stolen vehicles are used to commit other crimes, not only in our area, but statewide," said Lieutenant Keil.
https://keprtv.com/news/local/car-theft ... jDWwzm3nIs
NorthHawk wrote:We changed that law years ago and it was put in because of the carnage high speed chases caused for a car. Now police back off after a certain speed and they find them later, but a lot fewer people are injured or killed because of that change in policy.
NorthHawk wrote:When voting I look at the totality of the parties involved.
Do I want a law and order gov't but willing to accept industrialized incarceration?
It's that kind of question which is something only you can answer and it's a tough choice.
If I were voting, my outlook would be do I want the R's to control the agenda or not? Do I want the Jim Jordan's and Matt Gaetz's of that party telling me
how they are going to run the country for their own benefit?
It seems to me that it would be an unpalatable choice, but I'd rather have the fools in power than the malicious.
NorthHawk wrote:When voting I look at the totality of the parties involved.
Do I want a law and order gov't but willing to accept industrialized incarceration?
It's that kind of question which is something only you can answer and it's a tough choice.
If I were voting, my outlook would be do I want the R's to control the agenda or not? Do I want the Jim Jordan's and Matt Gaetz's of that party telling me
how they are going to run the country for their own benefit?
It seems to me that it would be an unpalatable choice, but I'd rather have the fools in power than the malicious.
Aseahawkfan wrote:It's telling that you can't find reasonable, moral politicians in either party at this point in America. Very bad for us. I'm not even sure it is an actual reflection of the American people or if somehow the loons have gotten control of both parties through their marketing machines. I don' t know how it happened. How did America reach the point where this is our choice? Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz or Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders? That is not great choices at all. A bunch of people who don't know what the hell they're doing with agendas driven by ideology over any kind of sensible management of the nation.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I fail to understand how the Democrats see this as intelligent management of law enforcement and crime to create these situations that discourage police from intervening and lower the thresholds for what is a property crime. They just expect us all to be ok with it. And for some reason, enough voters just keep tolerating a jackass like Jay Inslee and the Seattle City Council. I don't get it.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I fail to understand how the Democrats see this as intelligent management of law enforcement and crime to create these situations that discourage police from intervening and lower the thresholds for what is a property crime. They just expect us all to be ok with it. And for some reason, enough voters just keep tolerating a jackass like Jay Inslee and the Seattle City Council. I don't get it.
Hawktawk wrote:I’m not familiar with the city council but Inslee I am . He gets elected because last 2 terms an absolutely devisive candidate was at the top of the ticket for the republicans . Plus last round the repubs ran an anti mask Trump protege . In 2016 Bill Bryant ran as a centrist opposed to trump and outperformed Trump by 250 k votes in the state , still not enough . The only chance liberals have is if this stays trumps party . Go back to being republicans and lots of things will change
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