Aseahawkfan wrote:Comey torpedoed Clinton. That is why it was so amusing when he ended up on Trump's bad list and had a falling out. Just shows how stupid Trump is as a politician. He had an F.B.I. Director who literally assisted him in a winning an election and he decided to strong arm the guy rather than use him as an asset because he doesn't understand you can't do that in D.C. This has been a clear pattern with Trump to consider himself above everyone else, even his initial allies crapping all over them and causing them to turn against him. That alone is the sign of a terrible, terrible leader for a political system like ours. He wants to run the country like a CEO and not like a president.
I hope this idiot never comes close to the Oval Office again. He's too bad at politics to be allowed in.
RiverDog wrote:Running the country like a CEO is a bad example. CEO's don't rise to their position by being a narcissist. A better analogy would be that Trump governs the country like the don of a mafia family would, that what matters most is unswerving loyalty to him and only him, that opposing POV's are looked upon as sacrilege, and that anyone that dares to challenge him ends up at the bottom of a lake.
RiverDog wrote:Running the country like a CEO is a bad example. CEO's don't rise to their position by being a narcissist. A better analogy would be that Trump governs the country like the don of a mafia family would, that what matters most is unswerving loyalty to him and only him, that opposing POV's are looked upon as sacrilege, and that anyone that dares to challenge him ends up at the bottom of a lake.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Depends on the CEO. Lots of narcissists rise to power in a variety of professions, especially business, but few are so blatant as Trump.
I wouldn't give Trump the compliment of running something like a mafia don. He don't have the balls to put anyone at the bottom of a lake or the capability, which is why all the people he angered are still out there taking shots at him.
Trump's corrupt, but more in the way of a spoiled rich kid analogy you use. Dick Cheney is more like a real mafia don and probably has bodies buried no one knows about. He and George Bush Jr. godfathered Saddam Hussein after he threatened George's father. That was way more mafia don than anything Trump has done. He can't even bury his own lawyer or keep his family in line.
Trump's a narcissistic salesman used to getting his way as the CEO/owner of his company and finding out he can't just cry and do whatever he wants.
RiverDog wrote:If you're talking about the CEO of the Trump Organization, then you'd be correct. However, although I honestly don't have a good handle on the management styles or personality traits of the typical CEO, I doubt that they are anywhere close to those of Donald Trump's. I know that the 6-8 CEO's that I have worked under didn't demonstrate those traits, nor have any of the high profile CEO's.
The key trait that Trump shares with the stereotypical mafia don is loyalty to the family. When I think of the character played by Al Pachino in The Godfather Part 2, who had his own brother killed because he was disloyal to him, I think that Trump would have behaved in the same exact manner, that he wouldn't bat an eye at having his own brother executed if he crossed him. Isn't that what he was going to do with Mike Pence, stand by with his hands in his pockets and watch that mob hang him?
Aseahawkfan wrote:I'm going to laugh really hard if Trump is tried for a law he signed into law to prevent the mishandling of government documents.
https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/publ118/PLAW-115publ118.pdf
c_hawkbob wrote:That's almost a tasty as Merrick Garland calling his bluff on unsealing the warrant ... how much you wanna bet Trump files to prevent the unsealing? (he has until tomorrow)
I-5 wrote:Garland schooled every republican by staying silent while they DEMANDED to see the search warrant, which is exactly what he wanted them to do. Guess which is the only republican that DOESN’T want the search warrant to l be seen? Yup.
I bet Mitch is beginning to wish he had allowed Garland to be confirmed to the Supreme Court instead of the much more exciting job of AG.
c_hawkbob wrote:He says he 'declassified' them while still in power.
c_hawkbob wrote:Warrant shows Trump to be the target of obstruction and espionage investigations! Still think he does no time? https://www.yahoo.com/news/search-warra ... 01949.html
c_hawkbob wrote:Warrant shows Trump to be the target of obstruction and espionage investigations! Still think he does no time? https://www.yahoo.com/news/search-warra ... 01949.html
c_hawkbob wrote:Warrant shows Trump to be the target of obstruction and espionage investigations! Still think he does no time? https://www.yahoo.com/news/search-warra ... 01949.html
RiverDog wrote:Yup. There's isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he does any time, and I'll buy you all the beer you can drink in one night if I'm wrong.
You guys aren't paying attention to MAGA's reaction to the FBI raid. They are incensed. Trump already has scored a major victory in the primaries as his indorsed candidates for the most part did very well, with only 2 of the 10 House R's voting to impeach Trump surviving. Now, they have a rallying cry, that the Democrats broke into a former President's private residence. Never mind that it's an utterly false statement, it's what they believe.
There is no way in hell that they would ever be able to select an impartial jury that would get 12 out of 12 votes to convict any former POTUS, let alone this guy.
Yup. There's isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he does any time, and I'll buy you all the beer you can drink in one night if I'm wrong.
Yup. There's isn't a snowball's chance in hell that he does any time, and I'll buy you all the beer you can drink in one night if I'm wrong.
I-5 wrote:Who said anything about Trump doing time? I never have. I just don't want him anywhere the button again...unless he stole that too.
Hawktawk wrote:Rudy Guliani has been informed he will be a target of the Georgia election interference investigation. Lindsey Graham has been told he will be forced to testify in the probe as well. So it’s heating up .
Of all the stuff trump did , just with what’s on the tape with Georgia sec of state raffelburger he’d be in prison already if he wasn’t a former president .
Hawktawk wrote:Rudy Guliani has been informed he will be a target of the Georgia election interference investigation. Lindsey Graham has been told he will be forced to testify in the probe as well. So it’s heating up .
Of all the stuff trump did , just with what’s on the tape with Georgia sec of state raffelburger he’d be in prison already if he wasn’t a former president .
Aseahawkfan wrote:Yep. That phone call was BS.
I know more than a few Republican/Trump voters with selective memory forgetting a Republican, that voted for Trump, in a state where the Governor Jack Kemp was pro-Trump and supported by Trump, told everyone about the phone call, released the phone call himself, because Brad Raffensperger was an honest man, a long-term Republican, a man that supported Trump, wasn't going to engage in underhanded lying tactics like Stacy Abrams accused the man of even when asked by his own party and coerced by Trump for not doing so. The man has integrity and conducts his job in a professional manner.
These same guys are trying to pretend that Brad Raffensperger isn't honest, isn't a Republican, and forget he told Trump no because of professional integrity and released the information because he thought what Trump was doing was dishonest, coercive, and illegal.
These same Republicans who claim they're decent people are ignoring what Trump did in Georgia. Just open scumbaggery by Trump supporters to ignore what he did in Georgia.
This is just straight up political warfare by two parties that don't care about us much at all.
RiverDog wrote:I agree completely with Hawktawk about anyone besides a former POTUS serving time for what was on the phone call, and I'll add this: 20 years ago, before the promulgation of social media and the amount of disinformation that has been thrown around, even a former POTUS would have been serving time for the phone call. Heck, Richard Nixon's sins weren't anything compared to the blatant crimes that Trump committed, and he might have ended up in jail had Ford not pardoned him.
But as I keep saying, there's not a snowball's chance in hell of Trump being convicted let alone serve time. It doesn't matter how much or what they nail him with, his legal team can go into a 4 corner offense and drag it out into eternity, and even if he did come to trial, there is no way they can get 12 impartial jurors to convict him.
But it does make for some great entertainment, doesn't it?
I-5 wrote:Whether Trump does time or not is not that important ti me, but all indications to me are that he’s heading to indictment along multiple fronts that are tightening around and cantering on one person, from the Jan 6 investigations, to the Trump Org investigation in NY, the election interference investigation in Georgia that Giuliani and Graham will be forced to testify under oath in, and the investigation in Mar-a-Lago. The fact Trump is threatening violence by offering to ‘help’ the DOJ ‘cool down’ the anger that he himself stoked sounds increasingly like a desperate mob boss. Im not sure the republican party will survive this dangerous clown.
I want to know who helped bring those boxes of classified documents ti Florida. There had ti be multiple people involved, including those whose job is to secure the facilities. The DOJ has indicated they have witnesses who are now cooperating.
I-5 wrote:Maybe we need a new poll asking which investigation will Trump be indicted for:
A) January 6 Violent Insurrection
B) Georgia State Elector Fraud Investigation
C) New York State Trump Org Tax and Wire Fraud Investigation
D) Florida Espionage Act Violation and other crimes Investigation
As the evidence in each piles up, we know Trump is going to throw someone under the bus for each crime. He already threw Ivanka under the bus for her Jan 6 testimony, and it's not hard to predict Giuliani is the next sacrificial lamb with Georgia, as well as the Trump Org CEO Weisselburg in New York. Who is he going to pin Mar-a-Lago on?
I-5 wrote:Maybe we need a new poll asking which investigation will Trump be indicted for:
A) January 6 Violent Insurrection
B) Georgia State Elector Fraud Investigation
C) New York State Trump Org Tax and Wire Fraud Investigation
D) Florida Espionage Act Violation and other crimes Investigation
As the evidence in each piles up, we know Trump is going to throw someone under the bus for each crime. He already threw Ivanka under the bus for her Jan 6 testimony, and it's not hard to predict Giuliani is the next sacrificial lamb with Georgia, as well as the Trump Org CEO Weisselburg in New York. Who is he going to pin Mar-a-Lago on?
I-5 wrote:I don't see MAGA disappearing, even after Trump dies. I wish it were that easy.
I-5 wrote:I don't see MAGA disappearing, even after Trump dies. I wish it were that easy.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The angry people won't disappear. They have real reasons to be angry. All I mean by MAGA is the Trump followers, not what they're necessarily standing up for at least some of them.
Right now Trump takes all the spotlight on fixing real issues off everyone and makes everything about him. The news cycle is constantly talking about this guy, over and over and over again. Is that good for a nation? Everything is Trump this and Trump that versus the Democrats and all they're doing. All I hear about is the Mar-A-Lago raid. This narcissistic piece of trash who cares only about himself is eating it up having the focus on him and staying relevant well beyond his time.
That will stop after Trump. His pathetic cult of personality will have to find a new person to glom over and at the moment I don't see anyone with Trump's ability or desire to twist the masses.
That is the part I want gone. I want to open a news site at some point and not having anything on it related to Trump or at the very least a tiny, meaningless story I can ignore.
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