Hawktawk wrote:The same people griping about labor shortages because the lazy welfare people won’t enter the workforce are the same ones campaigning against open border policies . It’s racist isolationist thinking and not too bright either . But it’s in part because the democrats have allowed utter chaos at the border , in our city streets . We will never figure it out . Both are completely Fd.
I hate both parties . Detest them . America is a rotten apple .
NorthHawk wrote:In Canada, our population is getting old pretty fast so we won't have the younger workers to support businesses, pay taxes, or work in different fields of science and so forth not to mention taking care of the generations like mine
who are heading into their final years.
As well, by adding more immigrants it takes some of the pressure off of existing businesses to pay more in wages as many immigrants will take lower paying jobs. Hopefully that will hold some of the prices down a little
or at least mitigate some of the upside push in prices from inflation.
The big problem is we don't have enough housing for people today and we won't have anywhere to put them while we build more even if we can build ourselves out of this problem.
But immigration in general is a good thing for all countries as it brings a new energy and outlook from people many of whom have not experienced the freedoms we have here in the west.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Governments are not allowing housing to be built fast enough from what I understand. Some of it for environmental reasons, the catch all justification you can use for just about anything nowadays.
A lot of companies are building apartments too. Apartments can house more people in a smaller area and rent is an continuous income stream which can be adjusted with inflation. Thus apartments can be more profitable than building permanent housing.
There are factors encouraging apartment building over house building. And there is an expectation of a huge housing surplus as the previous generation dies off leaving their houses open for another family. As RD stated, there is an imbalance between young and old that as the older generation dies off, will be "fixed." China is supposedly going to experience the largest population contraction once their Demographic Dividend is used up.
Immigration will almost be required by most first world nations to maintain populations and standards of livings to drive the consumer culture necessary to sustain them. This will drastically change the population make up and likely the culture of each nation.
Canada has strong ties to Asia. I expect them to draw most of their immigration from Asia and perhaps Eastern Europe given the current situation there.
Canada has strong ties to Asia. I expect them to draw most of their immigration from Asia and perhaps Eastern Europe given the current situation there
RiverDog wrote:You're right, the age problem will be 'fixed' once the older generation dies off. But that won't happen in enough numbers to make a huge difference for another 5-10 years. The last of the baby boomers won't hit full retirement for another four years.
I'm not sure what Canada's situation is, but there's things down here that they could do to help ease the labor market besides immigration. One is to relax the child labor laws and let teenage minors work longer hours and in more diverse occupations. We could not employ a minor to do something like drive a forklift yet 16 year olds have been driving cars for ever. They could also work on the other end of the age spectrum and encourage older folks to work longer. Closing out the early retirement option for age 62-67 would kill two birds with one stone: Not only would it result in more workers, it would also make SS more sustainable. Same way with Medicare. Extend the minimum age to 67, same as SS. But, of course, that would be politically unpopular.
As far as where Canada will draw their immigrants from, I would imagine that they'd get a lot from Mexico and central America in addition to Asia and eastern Europe. I'd be curious to know what kinds of entry requirements they have, if they are any more or less restrictive. I had a former co-worker that was going to go to work in England and they wanted to know how much money he had in his bank account just to get a work permit as they didn't want him going on welfare.
NorthHawk wrote:Very true about the Asia links. There are a lot of enquiries from Hong Kong as people try to leave after the crackdown by
the Chinese government. There are also a lot of people who became Canadian citizens when the Brits handed HK back but then returned to continue their lives. Somewhere around 40% of the population is of Asian descent and an article from a couple of years ago said 54% did not have English as their native tongue with Chinese being the dominant non english language. Another article from a few years ago suggested that Asian would be the dominant ethnicity by 2030.
(Asian was defined as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, and others)
NorthHawk wrote:Very true about the Asia links. There are a lot of enquiries from Hong Kong as people try to leave after the crackdown by
the Chinese government. There are also a lot of people who became Canadian citizens when the Brits handed HK back but then returned to continue their lives. Somewhere around 40% of the population is of Asian descent and an article from a couple of years ago said 54% did not have English as their native tongue with Chinese being the dominant non english language. Another article from a few years ago suggested that Asian would be the dominant ethnicity by 2030.
(Asian was defined as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, and others)
Aseahawkfan wrote:Some of my buddies say you can get absolutely amazing Asian food in Canada, especially Western Canada like Vancouver. He said all kinds. Filipino, Chinese, and Vietnamese restaurants everywhere. We don't have many Filipino restaurants in Washington State, but I love Filipino food. So that has to be cool.
RiverDog wrote:Interesting that you mention Filipinos. We have a plant near Pocatello, ID that is expanding, and they don't have near enough workers to staff it. They're talking about bringing in immigrants on green cards from the Philippines. Why there and not some other country, I haven't a clue. How would you like to be a minority dumped into the middle of nowhere in MAGA land?
RiverDog wrote:Interesting that you mention Filipinos. We have a plant near Pocatello, ID that is expanding, and they don't have near enough workers to staff it. They're talking about bringing in immigrants on green cards from the Philippines. Why there and not some other country, I haven't a clue. How would you like to be a minority dumped into the middle of nowhere in MAGA land?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Filipinos tend to be too likeable for anyone to really hate, even MAGA people. I have Trump voting friends that married Filipino women. Filipinos are some of the most relaxed and friendly people you could ever meet. You have to be a really evil person to hate Filipino people. They are usually hard working, Christian, and fairly conservative financially and morally themselves. They don't like conflict and aren't loud or obnoxious.
I can see why a company would recruit Filipinos. They are hard working, super friendly, don't cause headaches, and get along with everyone.
RiverDog wrote:Oh, I agree with your characterizations of Filipinos. I've known a number of them and haven't met a one that I didn't like.
But there has to be some other reason, perhaps a country quota, some sort of agreement between governments, etc. Companies aren't just going to say "let's recruit some Filipinos, they're nice people". There has to be a more tangible, practical reason.
RiverDog wrote:Oh, I agree with your characterizations of Filipinos. I've known a number of them and haven't met a one that I didn't like.
But there has to be some other reason, perhaps a country quota, some sort of agreement between governments, etc. Companies aren't just going to say "let's recruit some Filipinos, they're nice people". There has to be a more tangible, practical reason.
Aseahawkfan wrote:A lot of nations recruit from the Philippines including Middle Eastern and Asian nations. Probably has something to do with Filipinos work ethic, ability to blend in in a new country, poverty levels, and the governments easy laws for mass emigration.
Additionally, Filipinos usually pursue education, aren't associated with criminal activity like cartels or drug running, don't follow a polarizing religion, and aren't known for being violent or for gang associations.
Filipinos have a lot of advantages that people interested in importing workers can look at in a very positive manner.
RiverDog wrote:I'm still not buying that as a reason for our recruiting that specific nationality. There has to be some type of agreement between the governments involved, some type of quid pro quo, something. I know our company, and they're not going to single out one nationality as being preferred over another for an intangible reason like work ethic because it would be very difficult to rationalize their decision to the 8-10k employees that come from all corners of the world. How would you like it if you were from Kenya and had been trying to get your family over here for years then your own employer told you that Filipinos had a better work ethic?
This company is extremely image conscious. They are not going to be seen as preferring one race or nationality over another.
RiverDog wrote:I'm still not buying that as a reason for our recruiting that specific nationality. There has to be some type of agreement between the governments involved, some type of quid pro quo, something. I know our company, and they're not going to single out one nationality as being preferred over another for an intangible reason like work ethic because it would be very difficult to rationalize their decision to the 8-10k employees that come from all corners of the world. How would you like it if you were from Kenya and had been trying to get your family over here for years then your own employer told you that Filipinos had a better work ethic?
This company is extremely image conscious. They are not going to be seen as preferring one race or nationality over another.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The Philippines does make a lot of deals. That's why Filipinos are in high demand around the world. I know a lot of wealthy Middle Eastern nations employ a lot of Filipinos. There are a lot of Filipinos in China, specifically Hong Kong.
I-5 wrote:There are always anti-immigration voices everywhere, including Canada, but the immigration issue is not nearly as politicized here as in the US. Keep in mind Canada has 38 million population, so labor shortage is a real issue. Bottom line, a majority of Canadians understand and welcome immigrants. Just to give a side story, during the Syrian crisis (which is not over), the government asked individual citizens if they'd be willing to host a refugee family for a few weeks if necessary until they could be settled. My wife and I signed up for the program; that's how we found out that there was a WAITING LIST to volunteer to host a refugee family. Tells you something about the Canadian attitude towards not just immigrants, but refugees. Canada is far nfrom perfect, but for an American, it's been pretty refreshing. The things I hear Canadians complain about are pretty tame comparatively speaking.
Having said that, ASF is right that Canada welcomes immigrants but has stringent rules you have to pass to get in. I myself had to go through quite a process to become a permanent resident of Canada even after my wife sponsored me, including getting a criminal background check, fingerprinted, health check including lung xray to determine my risk factor for their healthcare system...not to mention listing my education, professional skill, financial health. Took almost a year to get approved.
By the way, before I married a Canadian, I remember having to fly to Edmonton to direct a photoshoot, and my agency had to have our lawyer draft a letter stating that I was doing business in a way that wasn't taking a job away from a Canadian, just in case I got asked at customs. Ha!
RiverDog wrote:That is very much what I want to see happen here, although to be that stringent, it would require quite an investment as the US would be processing millions. I'm also in favor of allowing companies to go into foreign countries to their high schools and colleges on recruiting missions/job fairs.
Canada has always been more racially tolerant. When Jackie Robinson first signed with the Brooklyn Dodgers, rather than bring him straight into the majors, Branch Rickey sent him to their minor league franchise in Montreal, where race was much less of an issue. We're still a couple of generations away from achieving that kind of tolerance in this country.
RiverDog wrote:That is very much what I want to see happen here, although to be that stringent, it would require quite an investment as the US would be processing millions. I'm also in favor of allowing companies to go into foreign countries to their high schools and colleges on recruiting missions/job fairs.
Canada has always been more racially tolerant. When Jackie Robinson first signed with the Brooklyn Dodgers, rather than bring him straight into the majors, Branch Rickey sent him to their minor league franchise in Montreal, where race was much less of an issue. We're still a couple of generations away from achieving that kind of tolerance in this country.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Canada had some leaders with power who did not care for slavery that decided against slavery on many cases and the type of racism required to make it work in their nation.
A bit of interesting information on the Wiki. I read James Jewitt's book about when he was taken as a captive slave by the natives. Books like this are eye opening when so many people try to paint slavery as this "white" only activity, when it was very widespread and depended on what tribal group or culture you were a part of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
As far as the entire United States, I don't know that I agree with RD's assessment. There are a lot of American families that take in immigrants when they come over and organizations in America that assist immigrants. It depends on the state. We have states more populous than Canada. Making sweeping assertions about a nation as vast and varied as the United States is difficult at best as we can differ from State to State and person to person. If we were as racist as some like to make it seem, we would not have the level of diversity we have in the United States. I would even venture to say we have groups of people from every single place in the world in the United States living and prospering. It shows in every institution and every aspect of American society.
Though if Canada were a state, it would be one of the more tolerant states like California or Washington State.
RiverDog wrote:I don't understand what it is that you don't agree with regarding my assessment that "Canada has always been more racially tolerant" than the US. You even stated that if Canada were a state that it would be one of the more tolerant ones. That alone indicates that the US on the whole isn't as racially tolerant as Canada.
But I do agree with your statement. I just don't understand how it differs from mine.
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