4XPIPS wrote:The outlook of the Seahawks has it's highs and lows from week to week. I am not for one to bench Geno, and I certainly agree there are some pundits and the fanbase that have never been quite sold that he is a franchise QB. If we are just judging this season alone I will honestly say he hasn't played all that great nor has he played all that bad. I mean look at Mac Jones and how he is a square block being shoved into a triangle open over with the Pats. It could be worse, and for the most part I believe if he struggles next few games it's worth seeing what we have in Lock. Geno to me is an above average to great QB when given enough time in the pocket and does not need to improvise as much. Off script he will never be as effective as Russ Prime that we got used to see for all the years. Dammit I did it and I shouldn't have compared the too, but that is unfortunately the link he will be faced with for remainder of his Seahawks career.
The silly OL penalties aren't a result of his play, and DK's unsportsman's like conduct penalties are not a result of him either. I don't think he has quite peaked nor do I think he has hit rock bottom either. If it can click I think he can still give us the best chance to win enough games and take us to the playoffs, and who knows with how the big names are getting hurt left and right out there.. we can possibly make a run in the playoffs. Everyone is due a bad game here and there, but his recent stretch does warrant this question, but I believe it's far too soon to give up on him now.
NorthHawk wrote:I think with today’s trade, Pete is all in on Geno and thinking the team has a chance of going deep into the playoffs.
TriCitySam wrote:No. Geno is inside the top 15 as a QB, ESPN currently ranks him #11. So to tho g your gonna bench him and get better is not a realistic expectation. He has won with late drives against some good defenses. The Browns are #6 in both passing and run defense. Is he a Tom Brady, nope, but the vast majority are worse. Fans want perfection, rarely happens. The bigger issue is penalties that have killed some drives.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't think you can justify benching the QB when your team is 5 and 2 and leading the division. We all know Geno is a bridge QB that could win it all if the stars align right. He has the numbers of an efficient starter and a high quality backup.
Unless Drew Lock is an obvious upgrade, you stick with Geno.
We're not fighting for a top 5 pick needing to know if Lock can be developed. We're a division leading playoff contender with a possible improving defense and an offense that so far has been able to get it done. We haven't hit the hard part of our schedule yet, but we've played some quality teams and won. So you keep rolling with your QB and see what happens.
Not sure about Pete being "all in" on Geno for more then this and next year. Leonard Williams is decent and will help in our interior rotation, but he's only here for the next 10 games because we screwed up the draft and (nothing against having 2 decent running backs) didn't get any of the top D-Lineman that we could of had in the 2nd or even 3rd round. As well as our draft looks on paper, this left a hole in the middle of our D that Jarran tries to fill, but he's not a wide-body and this forced our hand.
I-5 wrote:I've been just as frustrated with Geno Smith as anyone - 9 TD's to 6 INT's is simply not acceptable. He's made some nice plays too that show he can do it, but he's definitely underperforming. That said, there is zero chance of Pete benching him as long as we're winning.
What I'm wondering is why DK is targeted so disproportionately to the other receivers. Unless he's the primary read on all of those targets.
jshawaii22 wrote:Metcalf goes back to the "do we trade him" post. He doesn't use his size or weight advantage at all. Doesn't 'highpoint' the ball. He doesn't seem to be able to turn to the ball if the pass is slightly off. And he hasn't caught a long post pass in a couple of years.
Compared to Lockett, I'll take two Lockett's.... (OK, maybe not a fair comparison, but realistic) --
I-5 wrote:I'm not sure which team DK could go that beats what he has in Seattle: disproportionate amount of targets over the other receivers, a winning team, and without the pressure to produce like a WR1 since Lockett is so damn production and consistent. Why would he want to change the scenery?
I-5 wrote:I'm not sure which team DK could go that beats what he has in Seattle: disproportionate amount of targets over the other receivers, a winning team, and without the pressure to produce like a WR1 since Lockett is so damn production and consistent. Why would he want to change the scenery?
4XPIPS wrote:How much more of this are we going to have to stomach before we give Lock a series or two? I doubt Lock would have the game(vs Ravens), but it would have seem fitting to see what we have. Most of you shot the idea down when we were division leaders at 5-2, but I am still on the boat of we need to see what we have in Lock before we continue to put Geno in a world he is unable to elevate his game too.
Look I believe Geno is a stand up guy, and has accomplished more that what most expected from last year, but this the "not for long" league and it's pretty evident he can't carry this team, and his play has significantly dropped. This will be getting uglier and uglier as he continues to start from here on out.
Carroll reiterated that the loss “is not on one guy,” but the two turnovers make eight in the last four games for Smith and Carroll was asked about his level of concern about that run.
“I’m concerned about that,” Carroll said. “The one, on the fumble, that’s a pass-rush deal. The interception, he threw it up, and the guy who’s been making all the interceptions made another one. But that’s not the direction for us to be going. Up until this game, it took us to first place, whatever the heck we’ve been doing. We didn’t play like a first place team today. With those kind of turnovers, it’s really hard to win.”
NorthHawk wrote:As far as doing well in the playoffs, it showed how far we have to go to be competitive. We might get there as a WC, but it will be another 1 and done if we do.
We just don't have the horses to get there.
Geno has been the Geno some of us feared would show up and is following the same record as the last half of last year.
Pete might be getting ready to pull Geno in favor of Lock. He rarely says bad things about players, but here is a statement from PFT:
Carroll reiterated that the loss “is not on one guy,” but the two turnovers make eight in the last four games for Smith and Carroll was asked about his level of concern about that run.
“I’m concerned about that,” Carroll said. “The one, on the fumble, that’s a pass-rush deal. The interception, he threw it up, and the guy who’s been making all the interceptions made another one. But that’s not the direction for us to be going. Up until this game, it took us to first place, whatever the heck we’ve been doing. We didn’t play like a first place team today. With those kind of turnovers, it’s really hard to win.”
We know how Pete hates turnovers, so maybe things will change. But I still think Pete is putting his thumb on this Offense. It's becoming very predictable and the play calling is falling into the pattern we saw with Wilson, but Wilson was at the top of his game and could overcome the limitations for the most part. That's 3 OCs doing the same thing. The only common thread is PC.
4XPIPS wrote:I would like to think that this Raven's game was not all Geno, but he had a large part to do with how quickly the game got out of hand. His poor decisions and his inability to move out of the pocket and create plays off script limits us. His accuracy was subpar, and he sat in the pocket and threw with hesitation and a lot of his passes were telegraphed and batted down. McDonald did an excellent job scheming a mix of fronts to confuse Geno, and it worked and Geno could not read and process the defensive front in time and it showed.
This is a Raven's defense that gave up 24 pts to Joshua Dobbs lead Cardinals, now a lot of those did come late in the game where it was clearly over for the Cardinals, but at least the Cardinals at that time made the game somewhat respectable.
Geno is going to be problem here and the rest of the season. Teams have watched enough film on Geno and realize he can not process a defensive front fast enough if you can collapse the pocket on him even if you don't get a sack but put enough pressure on Geno, he will just crumble. The last 4 games his play has been at the bottom 10 of the league, and he just can't work off script like a Joshua Dobbs, and I am not saying Joshua Dobbs is a franchise player by any means but when the play breaks down you need an athletic QB to work off script.
NorthHawk wrote:When Geno was playing well last year, he didn't hesitate, he fired strikes. We now see him start then pull it down quite a bit and then throw it. It's like he's afraid to make mistakes or doesn't trust his reads.
Maybe Dave Canales moving on has had a negative impact on him.
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