MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I wasn't sure where you were going. You opened with getting our arses handed to us and sucking against great teams followed by it would be good to have Levis about now.
I took it as either:
1.) We aren't good enough to have a meaningful season, so have a QBOTF prospect learning the NFL game this year - or -
2.) We'd be beating the great teams if we had Levis.
I take it you mean 1.
I haven't watched him play; only stats. Good game against the Falcons; okay against the Steelers. I didn't think he warranted a first round grade; though he's not the move I would have made, I'd have been happy with him in the 2nd. Coming to a team where he wouldn't have the pressure to perform right away with Smith and Lock would have made a lot of sense.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I wasn't sure where you were going. You opened with getting our arses handed to us and sucking against great teams followed by it would be good to have Levis about now.
I took it as either:
1.) We aren't good enough to have a meaningful season, so have a QBOTF prospect learning the NFL game this year - or -
2.) We'd be beating the great teams if we had Levis.
I take it you mean 1.
I haven't watched him play; only stats. Good game against the Falcons; okay against the Steelers. I didn't think he warranted a first round grade; though he's not the move I would have made, I'd have been happy with him in the 2nd. Coming to a team where he wouldn't have the pressure to perform right away with Smith and Lock would have made a lot of sense.
4XPIPS wrote:I am not speaking for c_hawkbob at all but I feel the same way about Levis. Levis gives you that hope an excitement for the future. His ceiling is far higher than Drew and Geno combined, and as bad as Geno has performed thus far it would been a great learning curve for Levis.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I don't think that was ever the plan. He's a this year guy; they aren't breaking the bank for a 31 year old defensive lineman when Reed and Jones are already on the books. I don't think he gets resigned.
Back to back great drafts and you're already at they are screwing up this rebuild. I don't see how this computes.
So what's the play to get the DLine legitimate help this season? There's no way they could plan to win without getting some help. I'd rather they plan like they are going to win something now than not.
Aseahawkfan wrote:When you pay a 2nd round pick for a 10 game rental Leonard Williams, you think you're a real Super Bowl contender and I don't see us as that at all.
c_hawkbob wrote:Agreed. I live in Kentucky so I'm very familiar with him. I argued on this forum during his sub par senior year that we needed to draft him. His junior year was spectacular, had he not been on one foot playing behind a terrible line his senior year he woulda been top 3 in the draft.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:That's all a fair take, but I get where I think they are coming from. They aren't waiting for a point in the future to say they are now ready to make a run. Next year is next year. None of it is known, for good or for bad. If this team had a losing record and hadn't shown any potential and was full of aging vets, I'd be against the trade.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:That's where I diverge on Levis. His 2021 campaign was good but 1400 of his 2800 yds and 13 of his 23 tds came against New Mexico St, Chattanooga, Louisiana-Monroe, and Tennessee (who allowed 284 passing yds/gm). He struggled against the rest of the SEC. His 2022 campaign was about the same though he missed one game; 983 of his 2400 yds and 9 of 19 tds came against Northern Illinois, Youngstown St, and Miami OH. I don't see how his body of work pushes him into the top half much less the top 5 of the first round. Like I said, I could have lived with him in the second round.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:That's where I diverge on Levis. His 2021 campaign was good but 1400 of his 2800 yds and 13 of his 23 tds came against New Mexico St, Chattanooga, Louisiana-Monroe, and Tennessee (who allowed 284 passing yds/gm). He struggled against the rest of the SEC. His 2022 campaign was about the same though he missed one game; 983 of his 2400 yds and 9 of 19 tds came against Northern Illinois, Youngstown St, and Miami OH. I don't see how his body of work pushes him into the top half much less the top 5 of the first round. Like I said, I could have lived with him in the second round.
c_hawkbob wrote:Agreed. I live in Kentucky so I'm very familiar with him. I argued on this forum during his sub par senior year that we needed to draft him. His junior year was spectacular, had he not been on one foot playing behind a terrible line his senior year he woulda been top 3 in the draft.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:That's where I diverge on Levis. His 2021 campaign was good but 1400 of his 2800 yds and 13 of his 23 tds came against New Mexico St, Chattanooga, Louisiana-Monroe, and Tennessee (who allowed 284 passing yds/gm). He struggled against the rest of the SEC. His 2022 campaign was about the same though he missed one game; 983 of his 2400 yds and 9 of 19 tds came against Northern Illinois, Youngstown St, and Miami OH. I don't see how his body of work pushes him into the top half much less the top 5 of the first round. Like I said, I could have lived with him in the second round.
c_hawkbob wrote:Agreed. I live in Kentucky so I'm very familiar with him. I argued on this forum during his sub par senior year that we needed to draft him. His junior year was spectacular, had he not been on one foot playing behind a terrible line his senior year he woulda been top 3 in the draft.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:That's where I diverge on Levis. His 2021 campaign was good but 1400 of his 2800 yds and 13 of his 23 tds came against New Mexico St, Chattanooga, Louisiana-Monroe, and Tennessee (who allowed 284 passing yds/gm). He struggled against the rest of the SEC. His 2022 campaign was about the same though he missed one game; 983 of his 2400 yds and 9 of 19 tds came against Northern Illinois, Youngstown St, and Miami OH. I don't see how his body of work pushes him into the top half much less the top 5 of the first round. Like I said, I could have lived with him in the second round.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Stroud looks like the real deal. I know Pete and John wanted him to fall to us. Poor kid is in Houston where NFL careers go to die.
4XPIPS wrote:Will Levis, literally can snap his waste line and just raise his right foot's back heel ever so slightly and deliver the ball deep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAW3kA8Pw9M
His is a video on his throwing mechanics.
NorthHawk wrote:On a side note, in the back of my mind I get a feeling like JS could be one of those 'Window Shoppers' who won't buy unless it's on sale.
Let's look at his past drafts re QBs:
Wilson in the 3rd. Great pick but little risk.
Interested in Mahomes - didn't move up for him in the 1st.
Interested in Allen - didn't move up for him in the 1st.
Interested in Stroud and Levis (reportedly) - didn't move up to the 2nd pick when he had the draft ammo and/or players to complete the trade. Didn't select Levis with either of the two 1st round picks.
Has drafted 2 QBs since Wilson - both late round selections.
Just something to mull over...
NorthHawk wrote:Your comment suggests you were talking about the 2022 draft, but last year was pretty good at the top when we had a high pick.
The 2024 QB draft doesn’t look like it has the extreme talent outside of Caleb Williams from USC that 2023 did, but there are a few QBs that might merit a late 1st or 2nd round pick. Earlier this year JS mentioned Quinn Ewers from Texas, so maybe he’s on their radar. From what I’ve seen of him, he reminds me of Lock with a big arm but some bad decisions.
c_hawkbob wrote:Yes, 1 is correct. Right now we have potential just about everywhere but at QB.
c_hawkbob wrote:Yes, 1 is correct. Right now we have potential just about everywhere but at QB.
EmeraldBullet wrote:This isnt really a bad spot to be tho.
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