Spohawk5092 wrote:I have been trying in vain to find the article I read in my Spokane newspaper sports section this morning about the state of the Hawks, if I do find it later online I will post it. There is infighting, finger pointing, he said, he said going on right now, and a whole lot of frustration...........from Carroll on down.
as I have said before many times, its time for a complete and total housecleaning from top to bottom, to get this team back to where it should be and needs to be, and that is winning again!!!
I think it’s when you go on a four-game losing streak everybody tries to find something, tries to create the reason, especially people that’s not in the locker room. They try to come up with the reason, because you try to figure out what is going wrong. “And so, you can name a player, you can name this, you could do that. Winning cures all of that. The moment you win, then it’s a whole different story.
Aseahawkfan wrote:This team has been on this type of descent for a while now. Roster management has been terrible for years since Pete and John started trying to cure the team with bad trades and not being successful in the draft, it's reached the point where it is at now.
Pete's hit his shelf life. He's not able to assess this team like he did when he first arrived. He doesn't pay enough attention to the D-line which is the absolutely essential piece to stopping an NFL offense. You can't be a good defense if you are not strong up the middle and your d-line can't beat the guys they are playing across from.
The draft of the last few years isn't looking as great as it did when they occurred because these guys can't stay on the field and have regressed. The Jamal Adams trade has been unmitigated disaster. 36 million a year on safeties that can't get the job done consistently is vastly overpaying for weak players.
We need to bring in a new coach that hasn't reached the point who can't see the bad moves he's making and has no attachment to this roster so they can assess it with a cold eye.
Right now Pete and John don't assess this team very well. They aren't doing what they need to do for a strong roster that can compete. They haven't been doing this for years.
We've been nothing but a pretender contender since we lost that second Super Bowl on that dumb call.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Playoffs are not enough any more for me. This idea of going on some dream run just because we punched our ticket in is not what I call a good way to think about a team. The management decay for this team is obvious.
I'm not going to bag on Pete. I just truly believe that coach's have a shelf life where they have spent all the mental resources they had for the a championship run, then they become set in their ways and attached to the roster they built, thus have trouble assessing talent and where the roster is at. So you bring in a new coach with no roster attachment, then let them go to work.
Roster building is the number one way to build a championship team. It has to be done in a cold and calculating fashion that long-tenured coaches have trouble doing because they become attached to the roster they built.
It's what it seems like happens over the years of watching football. Fact is Pete already made his mark more than once in college and the NFL. He needs a rest and reset and we need new blood at the top.
Uppercut wrote:Whos the backup for Hurts? The backups usually demolish the Hawks
W Hurts Eagles 32 Sea 24
WO Eagles 23 Sea 20
Spohawk5092 wrote:I have been trying in vain to find the article I read in my Spokane newspaper sports section this morning about the state of the Hawks, if I do find it later online I will post it. There is infighting, finger pointing, he said, he said going on right now, and a whole lot of frustration...........from Carroll on down.
as I have said before many times, its time for a complete and total housecleaning from top to bottom, to get this team back to where it should be and needs to be, and that is winning again!!!
I found it:
this is painful to read:
https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/n ... 83968.html
RiverDog wrote:Does anyone else think like I do, that our defense is better without Jamal Adams than it is with him? Last night, we limited Philly to just 143 yards passing, picked off Hurts twice, held them to 17 points.
It would be interesting to go back and compare what our defense is with Adams vs. without him. I'm willing to bet a tall cold one that we're better off without him.
RiverDog wrote:Does anyone else think like I do, that our defense is better without Jamal Adams than it is with him? Last night, we limited Philly to just 143 yards passing, picked off Hurts twice, held them to 17 points.
It would be interesting to go back and compare what our defense is with Adams vs. without him. I'm willing to bet a tall cold one that we're better off without him.
NorthHawk wrote:Yes, I've been thinking the same thing since last night. They seem to play more of a team Defense instead of looking for reasons to flex after a play while looking for personal accolades.
RiverDog wrote:Does anyone else think like I do, that our defense is better without Jamal Adams than it is with him? Last night, we limited Philly to just 143 yards passing, picked off Hurts twice, held them to 17 points.
It would be interesting to go back and compare what our defense is with Adams vs. without him. I'm willing to bet a tall cold one that we're better off without him.
RiverDog wrote:Does anyone else think like I do, that our defense is better without Jamal Adams than it is with him? Last night, we limited Philly to just 143 yards passing, picked off Hurts twice, held them to 17 points.
It would be interesting to go back and compare what our defense is with Adams vs. without him. I'm willing to bet a tall cold one that we're better off without him.
NorthHawk wrote:PFT said Adams wasn’t on the sidelines last night and when Pete was asked about it he said Adams didn’t have to be there.
There was a report he was at home. He does have a quad injury, though .Apparently Pete also called him out about his play after last game, too.
So maybe with the early benching of Woolen and the calling out of Adams, some discipline is being meted out.
NorthHawk wrote:The results will be the same, but just maybe Adams is at the end of the leash and they will cut ties with him this year.
NorthHawk wrote:He could have been told to stay away, too. We will probably never know the whole story.
NorthHawk wrote:But I think back to his 2nd year and Pete saying they still hadn't figured out how to use him. Maybe they realized he didn't have the speed for great range and has terrible ball skills so maybe the not figured out how to use him was how to cover for him and not embarrass the trade more than they already had. Yah, he brings some energy - when they win, but some players that are that way can also poison the team if things go sour. There's a reason the Jets didn't want him anymore and we are seeing it first hand. I think they are going to have to bite the bullet and cut him loose this off season.
Very unlikely. Carroll was asked yesterday where he was, and he said that he didn't know. If he had been sent home, Pete would have answered that question a lot differently.
Very unlikely. Carroll was asked yesterday where he was, and he said that he didn't know. If he had been sent home, Pete would have answered that question a lot differently.
NorthHawk wrote:Have you ever known Pete to be that direct about a player? I don't know doesn't lead to more questions than if he said I sent him home. The last thing any coach wants is some type of controversy that the media can run with.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Field Gulls ran an article with a discussion from Pete. I tried attaching a picture for the first time. Hopefully it goes through.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2023/12/20/2 ... ury-future
The like has the snapshot of the dialogue as well. Pete says he thinks Adams was at home and referenced his injury as a reason for him not feeling right and recovery vs. preparation. I think he's trying not to lambast Adams and instead high roading it by going with the injury.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Adams is probably gone come next year. Or making way less money.
NorthHawk wrote:I'm as much concerned about his play as I am his influence on the younger players with his attitude.
The last thing we need is for him to negatively influence Witherspoon and/or Woolen. I wonder if he already has negatively affected Woolen as his play has dropped off from last year, but maybe it's just a sophomore slump.
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