Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:The draft is finally here!
You can either list the pick at #16, or that you think we will trade down. Or, even up! (that would be a wrinkle). If you think trade down, who do you think they will take? Same for trading up.
Everything screams trade down, but I will predict we stay at #16 and select DT Byron Murphy. Unless, something crazy happens and Bowers drifts down to us -- then he is the pick.
Oly wrote:I think the goal will be to trade down and pick up a R2 in the process, but I'm a bit pessimistic they can get that. I'm similarly pessimistic that one of the top OL (Alt, Fautanu, Fuaga, and Latham) will be there at #16. If one is miraculously there, I think they stick and pick. But in the likely event that doesn't come to pass, I'm a bit cynical in thinking that we'll end up reaching and overdrafting an OL. Whether that's a guy like Guyton at 16 or Powers-Johnson after a trade down, I'm not sure.
But in the interest of pulling a more specific prediction out of my ass, I'll predict a trade to 23 and picking Barton (OL).
River_Dog wrote:The Vikings are currently sitting on the #23 overall, and they also own the #11 pick, so trading up 7 spots to #16 when they have a pick 5 slots earlier seems unlikely. IMO if we're looking for a dance partner to trade with, it's probably going to occur with one of the three teams that are w/o a first round pick, ie the Texans, Browns, and Panthers.
With the possible exception of the Browns, whose Deshawn Watson trade has been nearly as disastrous for them as the Russell Wilson trade was for the Broncos, those teams are pretty well set at quarterback, the position that is most likely to generate interest in a trade-up scenario. The problem for the Browns is that they don't have a lot of draft capital to work with. Their first two picks are at #54 and #85 overall.
The Lions' first pick is at #29, so maybe they trade their #29 and #61 for our #16? Like us, they could use some help on the interior OL.
That's one of the things I like about draft day, is when trades happen.
Stream Hawk wrote:As much as I loved Penix in college, we better not take him in the first. This team needs some talent in the trenches. Mike’s defenses rely on big stud defensive lineman. Let’s go defense, except maybe I’m OK with some OL. I don’t like the idea of trading down unless it’s only a few spots back in the first. We really need blue chips.
4XPIPS wrote:Who I would like for us to draft vs who we will actually draft.. hmm
My Hope: If for some freak reason Brock Bowers has not been selected by the 10th pick I say trade up and get him. This is whom I would like the Hawk's to get.
The Reality However, the reality is most likely trading down to garner more draft capital later in the draft and build up the roster with young talent and develop them.
The Pick If the Hawks have to make a pick at 16th, I would go with Troy Fautanu. He would have instant connection with Grubb and can play guard as well as tackle.
4XPIPS wrote:Who I would like for us to draft vs who we will actually draft.. hmm
My Hope: If for some freak reason Brock Bowers has not been selected by the 10th pick I say trade up and get him. This is whom I would like the Hawk's to get.
The Reality However, the reality is most likely trading down to garner more draft capital later in the draft and build up the roster with young talent and develop them.
The Pick If the Hawks have to make a pick at 16th, I would go with Troy Fautanu. He would have instant connection with Grubb and can play guard as well as tackle.
Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:See, I also think we should trade up for Bowers. Everyone is talking about us trading down, but nobody is saying what if the Seahawks trade UP??
Probably why I am not a GM haha.
NorthHawk wrote:The problem with trading up is giving up more draft capital to do so. We already don't have a 2nd rounder this year and it might take another next year plus a pick or two in this years draft like a 3rd or 4th - and that's just to move up a few spaces.
I'm not sure doing that at the beginning of a rebuild is that good of an idea when we could probably get a real good player at 16 and a couple of good players with granted lower floors, but very high ceilings if we traded down.
But it depends on which players are there and who falls as one of them probably will.
For me, this draft has more intrigue than most others even if we were drafting 32nd. It's going to be an interesting evening.
River_Dog wrote:
I'm with North Hawk on this one. Like he said, we don't have the draft capital unless we want to trade away future picks. Secondly, Schneider has traded down far more often than he's traded up, the only player I can think of that we traded up for in the first or second round was Metcalf. And lastly, it seems to me that teams haven't been successful when they've traded up. No matter what, it's still a crap shoot, and there's no sense making it any riskier than it already is.
That's going to be one of the interesting things about this draft. I'm assuming that Schneider doesn't like to trade up, but was it always his decision or was it Pete that was hesitant to do so?
River_Dog wrote:
I'm with North Hawk on this one. Like he said, we don't have the draft capital unless we want to trade away future picks. Secondly, Schneider has traded down far more often than he's traded up, the only player I can think of that we traded up for in the first or second round was Metcalf. And lastly, it seems to me that teams haven't been successful when they've traded up. No matter what, it's still a crap shoot, and there's no sense making it any riskier than it already is.
That's going to be one of the interesting things about this draft. I'm assuming that Schneider doesn't like to trade up, but was it always his decision or was it Pete that was hesitant to do so?
4XPIPS wrote:If we are talking about draft capital it wouldn't make a difference if you trade up in a draft or throw away 1st round picks on a player trade. How many picks did we waste on Jamal Adams? I mean everything is a gamble, and yes our current draft capital is important, but for someone like Brock Bowers who I believe will be the next George Kittle/Travis Kelce in this league would be worth mortgaging the future for. If Brock turns out to be a generational talent at TE in the next 3 to 4 years, we would look back and say wish we had given up more picks to get him. However, it's just a gamble and I think in today's offense a dynamic TE can really help your offense grow in a rebuild.
Irish Greg 2.0 wrote:The draft is finally here!
You can either list the pick at #16, or that you think we will trade down. Or, even up! (that would be a wrinkle). If you think trade down, who do you think they will take? Same for trading up.
Everything screams trade down, but I will predict we stay at #16 and select DT Byron Murphy. Unless, something crazy happens and Bowers drifts down to us -- then he is the pick.