Avoiding the heat

[RiverDog]

Prior to the Cards moving into a domed stadium, the league used to go to great lengths to avoid scheduling home afternoon games in early September when it's not unusual for the Phoenix area to have highs topping triple digits. That usually included giving them a Sunday or Monday night home game somewhere in Weeks 1-4. Now that the league has an additional night game in the form of Thursday Night Football, avoiding extremely hot locations like San Diego is a little easier to achieve.

So why are we playing a Week 2 game in that toaster oven? Is there an open air stadium, one without so much as an awning to provide some relief, in a location that is more subject to these types of conditions than is San Diego? Is not the threat of heat stroke just as big of a threat to both players and fans alike as a lightening storm?

IMO the league is setting themselves up for a big one by not addressing this issue. With 65,000 fans sitting in a hot, cramped environment with very little if any air circulation and players having to take IV's just to get enough fluids and electrolytes in them, they're playing Russian roulette if they don't at least try to avoid conditions like what we had last Sunday.

[Hawktawk]

RD I think that was very warm even for San Diego. I heard someone say the average high for this time of year in SD is 87 degrees. Not cool but far from 110.It was a perfect storm if you will. But I didn't see and Chargers puking. I wonder if a few of the guys got a little sloppy with 11 days between games.

[Distant Relative]

Screw the weather! The Hawks were under prepared, out coached and out played! My only hope is that this is the slap in the face that the Hawks needed. The pass rush must improve if there is any hope of making the playoffs. At this point I don't see a return to the Super bowl.

[burrrton]

But I didn't see and Chargers puking.

They weren't puking- but they weren't getting IV fluids, either. Acclimation is a real phenomenon. Here's hoping that's all our issue was.

[Hawktawk]

They wore their road whites and made Seattle take the home blue jerseys too, which might have been a 5 or more degree difference as well. White reflects and dark absorbs.It would make an interesting scientific study if it hasn't been done already

[FolkCrusader]

They weren't puking- but they weren't getting IV fluids, either. Acclimation is a real phenomenon. Here's hoping that's all our issue was.

This is nonsense. The whole Cards team got fluid at the half, just like the hawks. Certain players had addition fluids as well. No football player is conditioned to lose 10-15 lbs of fluid in a game and still function.

This is very common in any hot region. Otherwise whole teams would be writhing in cramps before the end of the game.

[RiverDog]

RD I think that was very warm even for San Diego. I heard someone say the average high for this time of year in SD is 87 degrees. Not cool but far from 110.It was a perfect storm if you will. But I didn't see and Chargers puking. I wonder if a few of the guys got a little sloppy with 11 days between games.

I'm not real familiar with the San Diego weather, but I do know it's relatively cool in certain areas of San Diego, like near the waterfront, but that there's a dramatic difference as you move a few miles inland.

Let's look at it from a little different angle. If they delay games due to excessive rain and lightening, why didn't they delay this game a few hours until 5:30 or 6:00 pm?

[HumanCockroach]

$$$$$$$ money,money,money, MONEY$$$$$$ anyone still in the dark about why the NFL does things they do, need to do a bit more research. Or as Dillon said to Dutch "you're an asset, an expendable asset, and we used you to get the job done. Got it?"

[RiverDog]

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[RiverDog]

$$$$$$$ money,money,money, MONEY$$$$$$ anyone still in the dark about why the NFL does things they do, need to do a bit more research. Or as Dillon said to Dutch "you're an asset, an expendable asset, and we used you to get the job done. Got it?"

Oh, I know. I was asking a question that I already knew the answer to.

[burrrton]

This is nonsense. The whole Cards team got fluid at the half, just like the hawks. Certain players had addition fluids as well. No football player is conditioned to lose 10-15 lbs of fluid in a game and still function.

This is very common in any hot region. Otherwise whole teams would be writhing in cramps before the end of the game.

Huh? The Cards played them in a dome (read: clime controlled), and I don't doubt that players occasionally have to take on fluids- I'm just pointing out that the heat had a disproportionate effect on Seattle vs the Chargers. San Diego players are demonstrably used to the heat and humidity (they didn't have to get IVs), while our players are demonstrably not (they *did* have to get IVs).

[FolkCrusader]

Huh? The Cards played them in a dome (read: clime controlled), and I don't doubt that players occasionally have to take on fluids- I'm just pointing out that the heat had a disproportionate effect on Seattle vs the Chargers. San Diego players are demonstrably used to the heat and humidity (they didn't have to get IVs), while our players are demonstrably not (they *did* have to get IVs).

Sorry for the confusion Burrton, I meant Chargers and wrote Cards.

I don't know where you are getting your information but I can assure you it's incorrect. All players (both teams) were getting supplemental fluids in those conditions. It's not a matter of acclimatisation, its the reality of fluid loss.

[Hawktown]

Sorry for the confusion Burrton, I meant Chargers and wrote Cards.

I don't know where you are getting your information but I can assure you it's incorrect. All players (both teams) were getting supplemental fluids in those conditions. It's not a matter of acclimatisation, its the reality of fluid loss.[/quote]

Folk, I will vouch for what burrton is saying here. If i were to go lay a concrete patio, here in seattle, i could go all day. If i did this in eastern WA, which i have, I would die of heat exhaustion. Add in humidity and i'm done. Now people from Eastern Wa would be used to the conditions and have an easier time dealing with it as they do it every day. I am a cooler climate type person and the heat really can get to me where i have friends who do not mind it. My wife sun tans, i sit in the shade. lol

I have no idea if San Diego's players got fluids or not but i do not recall seeing it during the game and i would assume that they are FAR more used to their conditions than we are and in turn, San Diego had the advantage of the conditions by a long shot.

I heard before the game pete getting asked what he did to prepare the team for the heat and apparently said he did nothing. I question why he did not fill them full of fluids all week long as do i question why the NFL would have a game played at such a time for both teams, you cannot predict the weather.

[Hawktown]

i am sure SD was well prepared with plenty of fluids in their body to compensate as well to begin with, which seattle failed at.

[#37]

They wore their road whites and made Seattle take the home blue jerseys too, which might have been a 5 or more degree difference as well. White reflects and dark absorbs.It would make an interesting scientific study if it hasn't been done already

Hawktalk, that is actually a really good point.

[HumanCockroach]

They wore their road whites and made Seattle take the home blue jerseys too, which might have been a 5 or more degree difference as well. White reflects and dark absorbs.It would make an interesting scientific study if it hasn't been done already

This is a common practice. It is why Dallas typically wears white at home, why Carolina wore "away"jerseys last season, why the Jags wore their whites in '05 and so on. It does give the home team an advantage ( even if it is a slight one) and has been a common practice for a long, long time. Even a "slight" advantage like that can sway a game, but it is what it is. I'm sure Seattle knew they would be wearing the blue, before the week started.

Can't fault them for the choice, if Seattle had the weather as an ally, and could use the uniforms of the other team as an edge, I would fully expect them to do so in each and every home game.

[Futureite]

Good fn god San Diego has year round moderate temps around 70 degrees. As if this was some advantage for the Chargers. I am reading these complaints about the heat on every website. Just fn ridiculous. Every damn team has to come up to play in that often drizzly 40 degree weather in Seattle in a stadium that was constructed specifically to reflect noise back at the opposing team. But you brag about that homefield advantage. Maybe you ought to consider that before complaining about abnormal temps that were equally foreign to Charger's players.

River, how about this: your D got thoroughly worked on national TV. My Niners also emberrased themselves and Kap singlehandedly gave a game away V a bad team. See, it's not that hard to just admit the truth.

Could turn out that neither team ends up being as good as we hoped. That's life. Tired of reading these lame excuses.

[HumanCockroach]

You sir, have gone from zero to troll pretty damn quick on this one. You might want to check yourself on this one ( if for no other reason than the claim of 40 degree drizzly, noise designed stadium is an outright lie.... again. It's called a "roof" jackalope, and maybe the geniuses that designed the abortion to house fans in Santa Clara, should have looked into one, considering the amount of heat stroke floating around that stadium, hell, one "faithful" died in his damn seat. In Seattle we use it for all sorts of things, like SHADE, and on the RARE occation it does drizzle during a game, which is by the way, a LOWER percentage than it did in numerous places INCLUDING that abortion you guys used to play in, it keeps us dry.)

You can skip the "when teams hafta" crap and shove it up your a%$. The FANS make the noise tool, and the weather as a whole is BETTER in Seattle, than places like Florida ( torrential rains, hurricanes and the like) Denver, GB,NYC,KC etc. The list is long big guy, and this is simply a way for you to spout off.I've provided you with the stats before ( sure they were ignored) back in the Elway doesn't want to play in inclement weather ( what an idiot that claim was) and I'm not doing the providing again, but maybe you should actually look something up, before spewing your LIES yet again, especially in a case such as this. I mean I know it's hard to resist and all, because 'perception' no matter how IGNORANT is obviously correct in your world.

[FolkCrusader]

I have no idea if San Diego's players got fluids or not but i do not recall seeing it during the game and i would assume that they are FAR more used to their conditions than we are and in turn, San Diego had the advantage of the conditions by a long shot.

August Average temp San Diego 77f
August Average temp Seattle 75F

August High Temp San Diego 85f
August High Temp Seattle 96f

Source http://www.weather.com/

There was no significant difference in temperature during training camp in Seattle and San Diego. It was an extremely hot day in San Diego. Hot for all the players, hot for all the fans. The reason you think the San Diego players were more prepared is because they played better.

Do outdoor workers in a hot climate handle heat better than those in a milder climate? Of course they do, they have experience in the heat and they know what to do. They start their day very early. They don't expend more energy than needed to do the job. They stay hydrated. They take breaks. All things a football player can not be guaranteed to do. If a road crew's solution to dealing with hot weather was hooking their worker up to an IV morning and afternoon I don't think that company would be in business very long. When a worker is affected by the heat he gets medical attention.

In pro football and in college football they use supplemental fluids, its what they do.

[Futureite]

You sir, have gone from zero to troll pretty damn quick on this one. You might want to check yourself on this one ( if for no other reason than the claim of 40 degree drizzly, noise designed stadium is an outright lie.... again. It's called a "roof" jackalope, and maybe the geniuses that designed the abortion to house fans in Santa Clara, should have looked into one, considering the amount of heat stroke floating around that stadium, hell, one "faithful" died in his damn seat. In Seattle we use it for all sorts of things, like SHADE, and on the RARE occation it does drizzle during a game, which is by the way, a LOWER percentage than it did in numerous places INCLUDING that abortion you guys used to play in, it keeps us dry.)

You can skip the "when teams hafta" crap and shove it up your a%$. The FANS make the noise tool, and the weather as a whole is BETTER in Seattle, than places like Florida ( torrential rains, hurricanes and the like) Denver, GB,NYC,KC etc. The list is long big guy, and this is simply a way for you to spout off.I've provided you with the stats before ( sure they were ignored) back in the Elway doesn't want to play in inclement weather ( what an idiot that claim was) and I'm not doing the providing again, but maybe you should actually look something up, before spewing your LIES yet again, especially in a case such as this. I mean I know it's hard to resist and all, because 'perception' no matter how IGNORANT is obviously correct in your world.

Aw, shut it #1 homer. It's common knowledge that stadium was build for accoustics. I am not going to bother with your pure stupidity. The folks that BUILT the damn stadium have publucly stated many times that it was designed with nouse reflection and accoustics at the forefront.

That is called a fact. Nobody ever said your fans were not loud. Buddy, I've been to games at the Kungfome. You didn't know that did you. Don't tell me that dome had nothing to do with the noise. It was all the fans? The damn thing wan't even filled to capacity in half the games I went to. Yes, you have great fans. But the stadium OBVIOUSLY plays a big part.

Admit you got worked. Admit it. A lot of you guys are becoming the most obnoxious, excuse making machine in pro sports. Dumb excuses like the "heat" everytime something doesn't go your way. You are like A #1 on that list. Never read someone with so many weird, slanted opinions on any subject. Every single thing you post is geared 100% Seahawks. Even when you pretend to be objective you are not.

I can admit my QB choked. Under no pressure. You cannot admit a team who may be better than yours beat you. Who is the troll. Who is the one that actually is willing to meet people here. I hide from nothing here or in life I and have more integrity in my pinky than every single one of you that has called out my character.

[FolkCrusader]

Right or wrong future, you are trolling. Sober up or knock it off.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't need to read further than your first troll line. First of all, it is "common knowledge" which is again simply saying that isthe perception, so it has to be "true". Course ignorant jealous, little men like yourself keep perpetuating that as a "fact" when it ISN'T and your claim that the designers "did so as a priority" is quite simply ANOTHER lie , as they HAVE said repeatedly, that the footprint of the land necessitated the design, NOT that it was a plan, but, in their OWN words "was certainly a nice side effect" . Of COURSE a ROOF increases the sound, it is a fact of life, and is being done in EVERY stadium with such a strange contraption, and yet stadiums like the mausoleum Jerry built in Dallas you more often than not can hear a friggen pin drop, I wonder, why is that? Minnesota? Detroit? Could it possibly be because of the fans? Gee I don't know Einstein.

As for the "admit your team got this or that", do YOU see a SINGLE goddamn post where I have blamed the weather? ONE damn post? In ANY of the threads? No, than STFU. I actually have been VERY critical of their play, it doesn't mean the heat didn't exist, and it doesn't mean the Seahawks weren't prepared, but I prefer to live in the "no excuse" world, not the hypothetical, if we did this or we did that. You got bigger problems to worry about, with your OWN damn team ( Kaeperpick was in true choke mode form.... again.... lost .... again because he forced throws, made poor decisions, and once AGAIN tried to win the game forcing the ball into Crabs in the endzoend zone, fumbled the ball, threw picks repeatedly and once again in the fourth quarter) than worrying about what SOME Seahawks fans feel.

I said I was dissapointed in the coaching staff, our defense, hell I even said it was the worst game I had seen Earl, Kam and Sherman play. I gave the team a c-, the effort was lacking, the LB'rs could cover a wet paper bag in that game. And I F$%$^ng said so you tool shed.

But you know what I DIDN'T do? I didn't run to another teams site, find the posters I wanted, and lambasted the fans, or team. I don't roll like that, that my gnat, IS what TROLLS do. I don't give a Shiite what other fans believe is the reason their team lost ( I'm fairly confident there is PLENTY of excuses rolling around Clara, you are pretty damn quick to insist otherwise when someone points out a flaw in the Niners, Kap, Crabs, Boldin, Gore or really ANYONE associated with that team, no matter the offense, action, or playing flaw, hell, you've been known to call Harbaugh the biggest doosche in the NFL Phil Jackson for f&ck sake) . A "fact" that is widely "known" and is actually backed up by something other than jealousy and blindness.

We'll see how the season plays out, but I sure as hell would rather be in MY shoes than yours.

As for the "owning" , they looked horrible, but you know what? Even WITH them doing so, they had TWO chances to win that game. Your team, played as well as they could now in two straight weeks, BARELY held on against a horrible team in Dallas, and couldn't score a point in the second half, and turned that "should have been" blowout into a game somehow, and then proceeded to run up a 17 point lead on a pretty poor Bears team, that LOST to the fricken Bills at home last week, at the "christening" of their brand new stadium, only to LOSE. The offensive problems CONTINUE, week in and week out,what was that about "pre season" again? Yeah, you get on with your "objective" self.

[HumanCockroach]

"You cannot admit a team who may be better than yours beat you. Who is the troll. Who is the one that actually is willing to meet people here. I hide from nothing here or in life I and have more integrity in my pinky than every single one of you that has called out my character."

Says the man trolling another teams site, questioning the team, the city, the fans, insulting said fans repeatedly, lying, misleading, cherry picking and insulting wherever and whenever possible. Putting words yet AGAIN into my posts that haven't been posted by me, as you have done in the past, and will yet again do so in the future. Yeah, your just oozing "integrity" . Your "character" has been exposed, and it wasn't by me, or anyone else on here, your character continues to be exposed, and what is classic, is you keep doing it yourself, by all means be "proud" of how you hide none of who or what you are, but I'm not entirely sure that that is a good thing.

[#37]

Futureite you remind me of a guy that starts an altercation, and then blames the other guy for not being tolerant. Oh wait you are that guy. Can't help thinking your still all hurt over your team getting beat by Seattle last year and not going to the SB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yi8XZRdCk

I can understand this though. Hey, I'm no angel. Shoot, I don't know how many videos I viewed of 9er fans hopes getting crushed as they watched Sherman slap that ball away from crab into Smiths hands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Ma67ApUPY The joy I took as I observed those 9er fans suffering was unconscionable. There is no excuse for my actions...

Futureite go to your own teams forums. I'm sure they need all the help you can give them with your little finger...

HumanCockroach, good read...

[RiverDog]

This is a common practice. It is why Dallas typically wears white at home, why Carolina wore "away"jerseys last season, why the Jags wore their whites in '05 and so on. It does give the home team an advantage ( even if it is a slight one) and has been a common practice for a long, long time. Even a "slight" advantage like that can sway a game, but it is what it is. I'm sure Seattle knew they would be wearing the blue, before the week started.

Can't fault them for the choice, if Seattle had the weather as an ally, and could use the uniforms of the other team as an edge, I would fully expect them to do so in each and every home game.

That is not true. The reason the Cowboys wear white at home goes back to the mid 60's when Tex Schramm wanted his fans to see other team's home dark colors. It had nothing to do with the heat.

But otherwise I agree. It is a common practice for teams to choose to wear their road whites at home on hot days, and you're right, a team does have to declare well in advance what color jerseys they wearing on Game Day.

[RiverDog]

Good fn god San Diego has year round moderate temps around 70 degrees. As if this was some advantage for the Chargers. I am reading these complaints about the heat on every website. Just fn ridiculous. Every damn team has to come up to play in that often drizzly 40 degree weather in Seattle in a stadium that was constructed specifically to reflect noise back at the opposing team. But you brag about that homefield advantage. Maybe you ought to consider that before complaining about abnormal temps that were equally foreign to Charger's players.

River, how about this: your D got thoroughly worked on national TV. My Niners also emberrased themselves and Kap singlehandedly gave a game away V a bad team. See, it's not that hard to just admit the truth.

Could turn out that neither team ends up being as good as we hoped. That's life. Tired of reading these lame excuses.

Future, I am beginning to agree with some of my fellow 12's that you're nothing more than a frigging troll looking to stir up chit. No where in my argument did I give even the slightest indication that one of the reasons why the Hawks lost last Sunday was the heat. My entire argument is based on overall player and fan safety. I am the last person, on in this or other forums, that you can with any kind of credibility accuse of drumming up excuses for a loss.

You could get me to agree that the heat in SD last Sunday was an anomaly if you were able to present some historical data (from the stadium location, not on the beach somewhere), but there were accurate forecasts available, and if they saw that there was likely to be temps topping 100 degrees, changing the start time by 4 hours or so should be considered if the league is truly concerned with the safety of players and fans.

[burrrton]

All players (both teams) were getting supplemental fluids in those conditions.

I find that easy to believe, but are you saying literally not a single article on the game mentioned that all players were taking IVs (not just Seattle players)? Or maybe you have some links that mention it that I haven't seen?

Honest request (not snarky).

[burrrton]

Poor Future- we can't even discuss the extreme conditions without him sh*tting the bed anymore.

1. Nobody is blaming the loss on the heat, any more than someone would blame a loss in Denver on the altitude. That doesn't mean it doesn't have an effect, though. If we play in DEN and our players are taking every other play off to huff straight O2 on the sideline, it's going to be something we banter about.

2. Heat and cold are not equally easy to deal with in an athletic event. You know how when you workout, you feel "warm", Future? Yes! That's your body generating its own heat! Exertion amplifies warm weather and counteracts cold weather, so quit making as @ss of yourself with your "BUT IT'S 40 DEGREES AND MISTY IN SEATTLE!" nonsense.

[FolkCrusader]

I find that easy to believe, but are you saying literally not a single article on the game mentioned that all players were taking IVs (not just Seattle players)? Or maybe you have some links that mention it that I haven't seen?

Honest request (not snarky).

"Left tackle King Dunlap was the only Charger who missed time due to cramps. A number of his teammates received IVs before the game and at halftime. Dunlap skipped the latter — "I wanted to be the tough guy," he said — only to enter the locker room in the third quarter."

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/sep ... -chargers/

I understand Burrrton.

[burrrton]

Thanks, Folk. Interesting that such a big deal was made of our guys, when it appears it was SOP.

Oh well- guess we'll see on Sunday.

[Anthony]

Good fn god San Diego has year round moderate temps around 70 degrees. As if this was some advantage for the Chargers. I am reading these complaints about the heat on every website. Just fn ridiculous. Every damn team has to come up to play in that often drizzly 40 degree weather in Seattle in a stadium that was constructed specifically to reflect noise back at the opposing team. But you brag about that homefield advantage. Maybe you ought to consider that before complaining about abnormal temps that were equally foreign to Charger's players.

River, how about this: your D got thoroughly worked on national TV. My Niners also emberrased themselves and Kap singlehandedly gave a game away V a bad team. See, it's not that hard to just admit the truth.

Could turn out that neither team ends up being as good as we hoped. That's life. Tired of reading these lame excuses.

Your tired of reading these lame excuses? Have you been reading your own posts again? He did not make an excuse he asked a question, you are just trolling and doing your usual lying and crap. You have made more excuses for your team, your QB and yourself then anyone here, You do not like what we say leave your just a worthless troll anyway.

[FolkCrusader]

Thanks, Folk. Interesting that such a big deal was made of our guys, when it appears it was SOP.

Oh well- guess we'll see on Sunday.

Personally I think it is something the NFL prefers to avoid talking about just like pain killer usage, anti-inflammatories, and the magical ways players recoup from injuries twice as fast as the average human. But hey, just an opinion.

I have an illness where fluid balance is something I must think about all day, everyday. So it's probably a little more near and dear to me than most people. Saline and other types of supplemental fluids are actually in a severe shortage situation currently and have been for about a year. No one seems to be able to answer why this is for sure but it seems that manufacturing is maxed out. It's something we take for granted, but it saves many many lives every year.

[THX-1138]

Future

Do yourself a favor: Go get a sticky note and write "DO NOT post after drinking too much!" and stick it to your computer screen. On this thread you have erected a true monument to your trollish idiocy. Haberdashers across the land are waiting to take your measurements for the new asshat you surely will be purchasing.

Hopefully it will be quiet under the bridge this week and you can get some rest.

[NorthHawk]

The weather forecast is mid 80's for Sundays game.
So much for always raining in Seattle...

[HumanCockroach]

The weather forecast is mid 80's for Sundays game.
So much for always raining in Seattle...

Nah, that is just one biased, jealous trolls view. I actually provided a link for the amount of percipation at the clink for Future bac when he was claiming Seattle had no chance for Manning because of the weather, basically it showed the amount of percipatation and how often it occurred on game day, at that point it had happened FOUR times, twice was snow. Which was by FAR lower than multiple other stadiums throughout the NFL, including locations such as Jacksonville, Houston, Tampa Bay,Kansas City, and you guessed it SAN FRANCISCO among others. The dude hasn't a leg to stand on, so he dodges, ducks or ignores the facts, and dissapears, or insults. It is after all what Trolls are "made of".

The percentage of "percipatation" games in Seattle are somewhere around 2% since the stadium opened, and I would venture a guess that the "40 degree" temp at game time is a hell of a lot lower than that ( thinking TWICE). Future just says whatever the hell flits across what he calls a brain, usually a lie, half truth or fantasy, and then professes his integrity, character, and objectiveness is unquestionable, while all of us here, are simply bandwagon, or unable to look at ANYTHING objectively ( not just football) because we have the audacity to love our team, our city, and want to bask in the glow of a Championship we have for the most part been waiting on since we knew what football was. We ALSO have the fruits to do so, not on some other teams board, but our own, and because of that, we lack something he possesses which in his delusional little world somehow makes him "superior" to us.

F him, and the horse he rode in on.