Largent80 wrote:And here we are 4 years later and ZERO...as in NOTHING has been done.
Also, what do they [the NRA] support that isn't "kids in school friendly"'?
Largent80 wrote:And here we are 4 years later and ZERO...as in NOTHING has been done.
Not really sure how I slandered millions of people by asking a simple question, but ok.
AND, the NRA wants AR-15's to be sold, therefore "not kids in school friendly".
Whatever.
Nothing has been done in the 4 years since this thread started and THAT is exactly what I said.
Guns need to be kept out of schools, period.
Some school districts already permit it.
Old but Slow wrote:Big concern. As a policeman entering a shooting zone, who do you center upon? Anyone with a gun. Teacher, custodian, shooter? How do you choose?
Old but Slow wrote:Big concern. As a policeman entering a shooting zone, who do you center upon? Anyone with a gun. Teacher, custodian, shooter? How do you choose?
OK I'll comment; it's a good thing that there was an armed campus Marshall at that school (arming teachers is a stupid idea, but I am all for armed security officers).
Other than that everything about this story is just sad.
It would only take one incident of a teacher getting fed up with a classroom and walking out the door for a breather not remembering they'd left their gun unattended to or worse yet reaching a breaking point and going off the deep end and wind up shooting up their own classroom ...
Teachers are underpaid and overworked as it is, the very lives of their students doesn't need to be added to the burden they already bear.
c_hawkbob wrote:It's a teachers job to interact with kids all day every day, their can be a lot of stress associated with that. And Kids are button pushers; once they find the button that gets you going they can push that button until you've reached your limit. Armed guards on the other hand are designated security, it's much easier for them to concentrate on maintaining a secure environment while the teachers are able to maintain a nurturing environment conducive to a child being able to learn something.
It would only take one incident of a teacher getting fed up with a classroom and walking out the door for a breather not remembering they'd left their gun unattended to or worse yet reaching a breaking point and going off the deep end and wind up shooting up their own classroom ...
Teachers are underpaid and overworked as it is, the very lives of their students doesn't need to be added to the burden they already bear.
burrrton wrote:Would have been better if they had any actual solutions to propose. "IF YOU OWN A GUN UR A MURDERAR" doesn't really resonate, and I bet it steels the other side more than it motivates whatever % feel the same.
burrrton wrote:Would have been better if they had any actual solutions to propose. "IF YOU OWN A GUN UR A MURDERAR" doesn't really resonate, and I bet it steels the other side more than it motivates whatever % feel the same.
MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:In response to the shooting, Majory Stoneman Douglas High School is requiring all students to be using clear backpacks once they return from Spring Break. The fearless Daniel Hogg is decrying the move as an infringement on a student's constitutional rights, specifically the 1st and 4th Amendments.
The kid is reaching. 1st amendment, no, absolutely not. There's no constitutional protection for you to have the navy blue L.L. Bean backpack you so desperately need. As for the 4th, I'd argue this isn't unreasonable Perfect gun laws that stop every conceivable instance of someone getting a gun that shouldn't can't be legislated, now matter how hard they try. This also isn't limited to guns. People could reach for all sorts of things that could hurt or kill other students other than a gun. Caustic liquids, homemade bombs, knives, poison, etc..
It's funny that they want gun laws that will snuff out any chance for these low-probability events at the expense of the 2nd Amendment, but then get upset that administrators come up with an additional solution that also will help prevent school violence at the expense of the 4th amendment. Price of any measure of security is always a measure of freedom.
And for the record, I'm for tighter gun laws that restrict to responsible, stable, law-abiding citizens.
Largent80 wrote:The problem is almost all of GOP candidates get huge contributions from the NRA....
That's not hyperbolic at all ... I've never heard that or even seen in written other than as pure hyperbole.
Trying to scare stupid gun owners (I'm a gun owner, we're not all stupid) into believing that anything anyone says about "gun control" = them "comin' to git yer guns!"
The problem is almost all of GOP candidates get huge contributions from the NRA and there were hundreds of people at these rallies signing people up to vote, and those people are going to be our future and will get rid of this BS.
Old but Slow wrote:Come get me, Burrrton.
Old but Slow wrote:Guns in those situations usually bring tragedy.
burrrton wrote:Honestly, why does anyone think they'll allow you to 'ban' "assault weapons" when literally no one can explain either how that will get them out of the hands of criminals nor what differentiates a black, scary-looking semi-auto rifle from any other?
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