(whether it is uncomfy to some of you or not).
The people who project racism onto everything they see are the ones less comfortable with those not like them, not the ones who ask what the hell you're talking about.
(whether it is uncomfy to some of you or not).
Hawk Sista wrote:NO!!! READ MY COMMENTS IN THEIR ORIGINAL CONTEXT. It was a different thread. I was speaking in a more generic sense. I do think some people dislike Cam for a variety of reasons. Race is one. That does not mean that everyone who dislikes him dislikes him based on race. It's a case by case deal. To ignore, however, that some hate him for his race is ignorant. (Google all the Twitter comments calling him. F'n N#^%#%!) they are there. You can't come into a conversation 3/4 of the way through and start barreling through with a know it all stance. Read what I said, then get back to me.
ea, we ought to merge the two threads. There's a lot of misunderstanding on this subject.
It's a shame we can't discuss it like adults.
Hawk Sista wrote:I read nothing from ESPN and have come to know what I know, which is clearly different than what you know. Spare me the **sigh** BS. We just disagree. Big. Time.
RD - disagree with you too. So sorry you experience white guilt (per your own admission.... But intelligent dialogue (preferably w/o eye rolling and name calling... Ooops - too late) could get us somewhere.
I'm tired, have had a wreck and am a classic insomniac. Chopping this up isn't gonna fix a damned thing, but I know from 1st, 2nd and third hand exerience of the weight of perceptions from both sides. It's a shame we can't discuss it like adults.
Hawk Sista wrote:The point is that good people (O frickin K, maybe Cam ain't one of them) get called the N word, faggot, dyke or insert your own derogatory term here) long enough and one can't help that those derogatory terms become part of how you feel others feel about you, especially when you've heard and seen it your whole life.
monkey wrote:I'm just going to throw this out there. Some of us have been saying this negative stuff about Cam since before he was drafted, this guy had the guts to include it in his pre draft http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/28/pfw-draft-guide-clobbers-cam-newton/
It's almost prescient how well Nawrocki described him.
Hawk Sista wrote:The point is that good people (O frickin K, maybe Cam ain't one of them) get called the N word, faggot, dyke or insert your own derogatory term here) long enough and one can't help that those derogatory terms become part of how you feel others feel about you, especially when you've heard and seen it your whole life.
mykc14 wrote:Cam just had his follow up interview. More pathetic comments, but the one I simply can't believe is that he admitted that he made a choice not to dive on the ball after the strip sack. I don't see how his teammates can take him seriously after this. Davis played 2 weeks after having surgery on a broken arm. Jared Allen played with a broken foot and Cam decided not to jump on the ball because he didn't want to get injured. Let's set the stage: 4 minutes left in the Super Bowl, your team is down by 6, the ball is on the ground and you have a chance to recover the fumble... Nah, my leg would have twisted in an awkward position. Unbelievable... and then to say that the fumble didn't cost you the game... shameful. I mean somebody should have been in his ear saying, "make something up. Tell them you thought the ball was going to bounce back or you were going to try and pick it up to make a play." Most wouldn't have believed it but how do you look your teammate in the eye after that?
"Newton also defended himself for not diving to try to recover his fumble in the fourth quarter that eventually was recovered by the Broncos. Denver went on to score a touchdown to put the game out of reach.
He said that he would have risked injury by diving as it would have meant he would have had to twist his leg in an awkward direction.
"We didn't lose that game because of that fumble. I can tell you that," he said."
RiverDog wrote:
Wow, that's incredible! As harsh of a critic as I've been on Newton, I would have never accused him of saying or thinking anything close to that quote unless I heard it with my own ears or saw it with my own eyes.
And I completely disagree with Newton's analysis of the impact of that fumble, for the reasons you stated above. It was a 6 point game, for crying out loud! That play and the subsequent Broncos touchdown was what took he game from a very viable chance of winning... scoring just one touchdown with lots of time remaining and their defense locking down the Broncos like they had for the majority of the game..to a very improbable one, requiring two touchdowns just to tie.
This is ten times worse than Jay Cutler's wimping out in a playoff game. They had the frigging Super Bowl within their reach with just a few minutes to play. What could very well be a once in a lifetime opportunity for him, for his teammates, and for the Panther fans and he doesn't what his legs to get twisted. Simply unbelievable.
HumanCockroach wrote:Because it's the NFL and so long as it's "marketable" they could give a flying F what it's promoting. Hard to market crotch grabs, especially with someone who refuses to speak to the media, but pot? Totally marketable.
Basically, they don't give a hoot about 98% of the PC crap they spew any more than "players safety" so long as it LOOKS like they care, and the money keeps rolling in, they're good.
RiverDog wrote:Gosh, it's actually getting to the point that I'm feeling sorry for Cam the way we're beating up on him.
Here's a little different POV. I don't exactly agree with all or any of what this reporter has to say, but just in fairness and to give our discussion some balance, I thought it would be appropriate to post it. Here it goes:
http://myfox8.com/2016/02/08/why-youre- ... onference/
RiverDog wrote:Gosh, it's actually getting to the point that I'm feeling sorry for Cam the way we're beating up on him.
Here's a little different POV. I don't exactly agree with all or any of what this reporter has to say, but just in fairness and to give our discussion some balance, I thought it would be appropriate to post it. Here it goes:
http://myfox8.com/2016/02/08/why-youre- ... onference/
Hawktawk wrote:No sympathy here. Live by the sword die by the sword. Tom Brady has 4 rings and got booed walking into Levis stadium. If Cam cant handle the heat he better get out of the kitchen because HE has made himself FAR more unlikeable than Brady.
Even if he was going to give clipped answers there was no reason to go in there in a black hoodie.
And there is no explanation beyond cowardice, a straight up business decision with the Super bowl on the line to explain not going for the fumble.
Those who continue to make excuses say he will "grow up". He's 6 years into his career. He is who he is.
Props to Agent for manning up BTW....There's really no defending this guy anymore. I made the same error with Manziel.
monkey wrote:Agent86 I can totally understand getting fooled by Cam, but losing money on that game???
Come on man! Where were you when Seattle taught the world the lesson about defense ALWAYS beats offense, just the same way that good pitching beats good hitting?
Seriously though, I cannot for the life of me understand how ANYONE thought the Panthers had a chance. They played an uber easy schedule all season, they got LUCKY matching up with the Seahawks when they did, coming off that big Minnesota game in the cold, and still recuperating. Arizona was a joke, (just like I've been saying all along, Palmer SUCKS!) but that Broncos defense is LEGIT!
The Panthers hadn't played a team like them, a team that could bring unceasing pressure.
What's even more important though, that team simply doesn't have ANY weapons offensively aside from Olson (who is a legit stud). So how the heck was most of the country thinking that the Panthers would win??
They have NO ONE offensively who the Broncos worried about, other than Cam Newton, and he's shown all along that when the chips are down, when he gets punched in the face, he folds like a cheap tent every time. The media did the exact same thing they did two seasons ago, they got caught up in the offense (like they always do) only this time with FAR less reason. That Broncos offense two seasons ago was the greatest to ever play football EVER according to the numbers. This Panthers offense was nowhere NEAR that good, in fact it was hugely overrated because of Cam Newton.
I cannot tell you how many people told me, (and my brother the Cowboys fan who was right there with me on the Broncos) that I was stupid and had no idea what I was talking about.
OK... just like I guaranteed a Seahawks win two years ago, I guaranteed a Panther win this year, because DEFENSE.
If it weren't for the unbelievable JJ Watt, Von Miller would have been HANDS DOWN this years defensive MVP. He is right now, the closest thing to a Derrick Thomas clone I've ever seen. He plays just like him, and he can take a game over, literally by himself. Then you add in a future hall of fame DE, and a secondary that looks a lot like the Seahawks (not a surprise that Elway built that defense to resemble the Seahawks after we kicked their teeth in) and for the life of me I cannot understand how Carolina was EVER favored. Denver should have been the favorite from the get go, they have BY FAR the better offensive weapons, as well as the better defense, and MUCH MUCH better secondary, plus a QB who isn't a whiny cry baby like Newton, even if he's past his prime,, he is still elite football IQ.
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