Hawktawk wrote:People who oppose Hillary better figure it out real quick.
Gary Johnson is the only hope. Trump is going to lose worse than Mondale. Hes not flip flopping, hes turning somersaults. What a jackwagon. Hes put red states in play and he is not even competing in the battleground states.Hes threatening control of the senate.
Barring Hillary keeling over or a Johnson Weld miracle its over.....
Steady_Hawk wrote:Savvy, I cannot believe all of the support Trump is getting compared to Hillary. There is no doubt in my mind this election will be stolen. Social media has Trump destroying Hillary. Independant polls tell a different story. Hillary gets an average of 500 people per speaking event, Trump maxes out all of his venues even in Everette! 18,000, plus people outside!
America is waking up to the media Cabal controlling our nation. Thank God for small media outlets!
savvyman wrote:Looks like I got this one right - dumb weak pothead running for President - Usefull tool by the Neocons and 0.1%'s to drive away Republican votes from Trump over to Clinton (via their surrogate stoned Gary Johnson)
RiverDog wrote:Johnson's only been involved in state politics and has never been in the US Congress or held a cabinet position, so it makes sense that foreign policy would be a weakness.
If Johnson were a viable threat to win the election, then I might care about some of his warts. But from my perspective, I'm casting a protest vote because I don't like either Trump or Clinton nor do I like either of the two major parties. I'm voting for the Libertarian party, not necessarily for their candidate. My hope is that neither Trump or Hillary get more than 45% of the popular vote. That might embolden more support for the Libertarians and help get them some traction for future elections.
Steady_Hawk wrote:Savvy, I cannot believe all of the support Trump is getting compared to Hillary. There is no doubt in my mind this election will be stolen. Social media has Trump destroying Hillary. Independant polls tell a different story. Hillary gets an average of 500 people per speaking event, Trump maxes out all of his venues even in Everette! 18,000, plus people outside!
America is waking up to the media Cabal controlling our nation. Thank God for small media outlets!
FolkCrusader wrote:I respect your right to protest vote, but it seems a bit crazy to me. I have some friends that feel very similar to you and in our conversations they seem to think neither party is open to change. But if we look at the facts both parties have moved quite a lot this election cycle. Not that many years ago Republican politics were dominated by political moderates. There were some real conservatives but the leadership was primarily moderate. We have seen the Republican positions in red states move further and further to the right and Presidential politics (at least at the primary level) have moved with it. It's hard to pidgeon hole Trump because he changes positions pretty much every day - but I think it is clear he is no moderate. Democratic politics have been a little further to the left, but again mostly dominated by moderates. Bernie Sanders forced Hillary much further to the left. Historically she has been about as moderate as they get.
So what I see is that both parties have been pushed much further in one election cycle than we have seen in a long time. Now if you are a more traditional moderate (like me) this can be a bit disconcerting, but it does show me that for good or ill our political system does react to the will of the people.
Hawktawk wrote:A vote for Hillary is a vote for Kaine honestly. She wont govern 4 years or maybe even one.She may be on her deathbed.
Johnson hurts her more than he hurts trump anyway.
A vote for Tump is a vote for a self aggrandizing grifter, a bankruptcy acrobat who got a silver spoon worth 25 MILLION DOLLARS 4 decades ago and went backwards to the tune of 4 bankruptcies. A vote for Trump is a vote for worldwide chaos and possibly total war, economic depression. A vote to reward a guy who has Fd over more ordinary people than almost any businessman and now hes going to make America great. Suckers!!!!!!!!
I'm talking to you Savvy.
Johnson is pro marijuana but if hes smoked too much Trump hasn't smoked enough.
Johnson is the only guy running who is honest and has been who he is his entire political career.Whether I agree with his policies (not all) I respect that he was for marriage equality and marijuana legalization in the mid 90s when it wasn't at all popular. That's intellectual honesty and integrity. Nobody else running has an ounce of either.
And if you want to play gotcha with the Allepo thing how about Chump not knowing Crimea had even been annexed by Putin 2 years earlier. That's a little bigger gaffe don't you think?
I guess he was too busy being Putin's fanboy like all the despotic strongmen around the world he praises continually.
Hes really a low information loudmouthed cretin when it comes to understanding how the government operates or separation of powers or really anything except all the good deals hes going to make. But no tax returns to check how good his deals really are.
You want to walk the plank with this complete asshole and POS go for it.
I'm a proud Johnson voter.
savvyman wrote:RIP Gary Johnson.
After that video and these moments - you are finished - there is no way anyone can "proudly" state they are for this guy.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/gary-johnson-has-aleppo-moment-msnbc-town-hall-struggles-name-n656611
>>>>>>>Gary Johnson Has 'Aleppo Moment' at MSNBC Town Hall, Struggles to Name a Foreign Leader<<<<<<<<<<<
savvyman wrote:RIP Gary Johnson.
After that video and these moments - you are finished - there is no way anyone can "proudly" state they are for this guy.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/gary-johnson-has-aleppo-moment-msnbc-town-hall-struggles-name-n656611
>>>>>>>Gary Johnson Has 'Aleppo Moment' at MSNBC Town Hall, Struggles to Name a Foreign Leader<<<<<<<<<<<
burrrton wrote:How are all our Trump supporters feeling today?
Hawktawk wrote:
Hey savvy Gary Johnson was asked to name his FAVORITE foreign leader. He doesnt have one, unklike Chumpy the gropey clown who is in man love with Vlad Putin when hes not groping women.Dont start on Bill Clinton either. He could govern, that's the real problem with your bipolar apparition.
Your anointed one didn't even know Crimea had been annexed 2 years ago. Please you sound ridiculous supporting this red faced blowhard and turning your fire on little old Gary johnson. Trump says more stupid crap daily than I've heard out of Johnson in the year plus i've been following him..
Johnson has a very detailed approach to foreign policy, particularly as it pertains to nation building, the war on terror, the role of our military. MOF he and governor Weld have a detailed honest working approach to everything facing our nation the other two are flat our lying about.
My vote isn't a protest vote. Im hoping for a miracle. maybe a few more tapes of Chump surface or he implodes in the next debate(likely)Maybe Hillary kicks the bucket(or trump I'm not going to mourn either way)
Ill say it again. Id rather oppose Clinton with a republican senate and hold on for 2020 than put Donald the German wings pilot behind the controls of the plane called america. its already been on cruise control way too long but this low information sloppy loose lipped ignorant piece of casino white trash will crash it into the mountain and it wont take very long.
savvyman wrote: information sloppy loose lipped ignorant piece of casino white trash will crash it into the mountain and it wont take very long.
Hawktawk wrote:
So Fn what? He was making an attempt to mock himself for being tongue tied in a previous interview about you Chumpies beloved ALLEPPO moment. Thats a sense of humor savvy, albeit quirky.
He knows how to apologize and admit hes wrong unlike chump.His exact quote"it proves i am human."
Hes an extremely intelligent thoughtful decent honest man. Everything Chump isn't.
Whatever man,
Trump is beyond a doubt the greatest fraud ever foisted onto 30% SUCKERS in the populist wing of the party.Its like some kind of Cult. The pied piper.It doesnt matter what idiotic thing he says or does you all fall in line like sheep.
He is headed to an epic rout by one of the most distasteful dishonest politicians ever. He sucks that bad....
savvyman wrote:
Short term harmful - Longer term? No Impact.
I finally went and actually listened to the recording. Jeez do you guys have any idea how and what a group of women will talk like when talking about Men behind closed doors?
Net effect?
The clinton supporters will hate trump the same as before.
The trump supporters are wincing again yet none are changing their votes.
What Trump needs to do for the next Debate is show shame and Humility in handling this and do NOT attack Clinton on Bill's behavior. Just take it and admit that his behavior is wrong and that he is sincerely sorry.
Then after the dust settles for a few days unleash the surrogate dogs on enabler Hillary and her rapist husband with all the facts about that situation.
Net effect on the election - None.
And I hate to tell you boys - there are a lot of women who will respond favorably to trump on this.
savvyman wrote:And Riverdog soon to follow:
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/10/28/gravis-pollster-johnson-supporters-breaking-trump/
Seriously - What a throwaway of a vote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJY
RiverDog wrote:By voting for Johnson, I'm not throwing my vote away any more or less than you are by voting for Trump. Assuming that you live in Washington state, there's no way Trump or any Republican is going to carry this state, which has gone Democratic in every election since Reagan in '84. There's no state in the country bluer than Washington.
I have several reasons for voting for Johnson: (1) I believe that this country needs a viable 3rd party as an alternative. If Johnson can break into the double digits in the popular vote, then perhaps it would motivate other viable politicians to join the Libertarians in a 3rd party movement. (2) I would like to see Hillary kept below 45% in the popular vote and deny her a governing mandate. Voting for Johnson does just as much good as voting for Trump in that regard. (3) The Libertarian Party is closer to my core beliefs than either the Republicans or the Democrats. (4) This is a protest vote. I feel that there are one heck of a lot of people that harbor the same opinion as I do, which is that neither candidate is acceptable as a POTUS. IMO the worst two major party nominees for POTUS since I started voting back in 1972 are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. My only other option would be to not vote at all.
savvyman wrote:You seem to be forecasting a certain Clinton Victory - Get ready to be shocked in about 8 days......
burrrton wrote:
If you vote comfortably for either person, I don't know how you look at yourself in the mirror.
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