RiverDog wrote: It can't all be bad. After all, we do have a 12-2 record and much of the penalty issue has to do with the aggressive style of football that we play, a characteristic that has contributed mightily to our success. But if you take a look at the numbers, well over a third of those penalties, 40 in all, are pre snap...false starts, delay of game, illegal motion, defensive offsides, etc. Those cannot be attributed to aggressive play.
Is it a concern?
wait_a_sec wrote:I get bugged by the ticky tack holding and PI calls. I get steamed with the bone head stuff. Both come from our style of play and our age. I think we would have won the SF game because one came on a 3rd and long that then turned into a TD for SF.
Hopefully we can clean this up enough for the playoffs. Would hate to lose a game this way.
wait_a_sec wrote:I get bugged by the ticky tack holding and PI calls. I get steamed with the bone head stuff. Both come from our style of play and our age. I think we would have won the SF game because one came on a 3rd and long that then turned into a TD for SF.
Hopefully we can clean this up enough for the playoffs. Would hate to lose a game this way.
FolkCrusader wrote:Any idea how many times you have made the same damn post RD? I'm betting this is at least 10.
RiverDog wrote:FolkCrusader wrote:Any idea how many times you have made the same damn post RD? I'm betting this is at least 10.
Might be more than that. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Pete took over, and until we get them under control, you're likely to hear more from me about them. I am used to Mike Holmgren coached teams in which we were always amongst the least penalized. That doesn't necessarily mean that I prefer Holmgren coached teams over Pete's.
NorthHawk wrote:RiverDog wrote:FolkCrusader wrote:Any idea how many times you have made the same damn post RD? I'm betting this is at least 10.
Might be more than that. It's been a pet peeve of mine since Pete took over, and until we get them under control, you're likely to hear more from me about them. I am used to Mike Holmgren coached teams in which we were always amongst the least penalized. That doesn't necessarily mean that I prefer Holmgren coached teams over Pete's.
Holmgren used to get a Tomato face when we had dumb penalties he was so angry. If he was coaching another team I would have thought it funny.
It makes me wonder how his teams would have done if visiting the CLink and not handling the noise well.
Eaglehawk wrote:It also tells me that penalties will not factor in to our games. We seem to be able to overcome them this year. I don't like that we lead the league in this area though, it reflects lack of discipline.
Hawktawk wrote: Refs are fond of calling holding on Seattle but will almost NEVER flag an opponent this season.
Hawktawk wrote:The Hawks lead the league in penalties for 2 reasons. #1, they are an agressive team that pushes the envelope on both sides of the ball. #2 refs don't respect them. I wont go through the list of ridiculous calls and games with 1 sided officiating but there have been plenty . Refs are fond of calling holding on Seattle but will almost NEVER flag an opponent this season. The concern to me is that there have been a few of the more recent games where it seems the guys are committing more boneheaded obvious fouls any ref would call unless it was the Stealers in XL. Knowing they are starting 25 yards behind in the race they need to stop making it even worse with stupid, undisciplined no brainer fouls. The 9ers game indeed proved that against a very talented opponent a couple of flags can be the difference. Guess who were playing the rest of the way? Hawks, clean it up. Refs,let em play...........
RiverDog wrote:Hawktawk wrote:The Hawks lead the league in penalties for 2 reasons. #1, they are an agressive team that pushes the envelope on both sides of the ball. #2 refs don't respect them. I wont go through the list of ridiculous calls and games with 1 sided officiating but there have been plenty . Refs are fond of calling holding on Seattle but will almost NEVER flag an opponent this season. The concern to me is that there have been a few of the more recent games where it seems the guys are committing more boneheaded obvious fouls any ref would call unless it was the Stealers in XL. Knowing they are starting 25 yards behind in the race they need to stop making it even worse with stupid, undisciplined no brainer fouls. The 9ers game indeed proved that against a very talented opponent a couple of flags can be the difference. Guess who were playing the rest of the way? Hawks, clean it up. Refs,let em play...........
I'm not going to accept that, not with as many pre snap penalties that we've drawn, over a third of our total. We might pick up a few more penalties due to our aggressive play, but neither that or 'the refs are out to get us' conspiracy theory can explain that kind of discrepancy. Something else is at work.
RiverDog wrote:Hawktawk wrote:The Hawks lead the league in penalties for 2 reasons. #1, they are an agressive team that pushes the envelope on both sides of the ball. #2 refs don't respect them. I wont go through the list of ridiculous calls and games with 1 sided officiating but there have been plenty . Refs are fond of calling holding on Seattle but will almost NEVER flag an opponent this season. The concern to me is that there have been a few of the more recent games where it seems the guys are committing more boneheaded obvious fouls any ref would call unless it was the Stealers in XL. Knowing they are starting 25 yards behind in the race they need to stop making it even worse with stupid, undisciplined no brainer fouls. The 9ers game indeed proved that against a very talented opponent a couple of flags can be the difference. Guess who were playing the rest of the way? Hawks, clean it up. Refs,let em play...........
I'm not going to accept that, not with as many pre snap penalties that we've drawn, over a third of our total. We might pick up a few more penalties due to our aggressive play, but neither that or 'the refs are out to get us' conspiracy theory can explain that kind of discrepancy. Something else is at work.
Mo the Toe wrote:Another credit to our special teams is it seems they rarely have holding penalties. Nothing more frustrating than adding 10 yards to a punt after a holding penalty.
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