c_hawkbob wrote:Nope. I believe it is. Problem is that his party has a super majority right now and there just are not enough votes in congress to bring about impeachment proceedings. Hopefully that particular dynamic will only last until the 2018 mid term elections.
NorthHawk wrote:The Republicans aren't politically stupid in most cases, and I would think that they have the knives at the ready should the political cost become too large.
Not only are there the election and hacking probes, but trade agreements are on the table.
Mexico has said they are already looking at other sources for corn which they now get almost solely from the US and if they shut the door on that a lot of farmers would get hit hard. And as we know, farmers are influential politically.
As well, 9 million American jobs rely on trade with Canada - and 35 states has Canada as it's largest trading partner, so if that trade is impacted by 11%, a million jobs could be lost.
These couple of things enter into the political formula of pressures so if at any point they think it's no longer a benefit for Trump to be in the White House, attitudes and votes could change.
There are already some moderate Republicans who aren't totally on board with him, so some votes might be swayed easier than others.
Odds are it will be 3.5 years, but with this presidency, who knows what catalyst will hit the fire.
NorthHawk wrote:Perhaps not. I think it will come about with some of Trumps business relationships which fits into why he won't release his tax returns, but it could be an accumulation of things which brings it to a head when voter polls show he's a drag on the party and put in doubt re-election bids.
But time will tell how it all unfolds.
Hawktawk wrote:At a certain point Trumps disastrous ratings under 40% will begin to make it clear to republicans that they are facing a midterm shellacking of biblical proportions for defending the indefensible behavior of this carpetbagging self aggrandizing crook.
That is when the dominoes fall. It may already be too late for the congressional and Senate Republicans to recover as they are being shelled in generic polling already.
I think Trump may have Fd with the wrong guy and organization when he took on Comey. Apparently Comey will only testify in open session which makes it clear payback is going to be a mofo. As only 29% of americans support the decision to remove Comey most will be tuning in to watch that. This thing could spiral out of control for Trump rather quickly. The leaks from the various government agencies have become a flood already.If you are going to P off everyone you better damn well be competent and produce. Well.....................................
“I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” the president said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.
c_hawkbob wrote:OK Dog, defend this:
"Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador"
He has GOT to be close (if not there already) to losing support even of his own party. there's no way he can last a full term IMO.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... f545ec5926
Republicans will abandon him if and only if there's some undeniable charge that links Trump personally to an impeachable offense.
c_hawkbob wrote:Disagree.
I didn't call this an impeachable offense in and of itself (and I don't think it needs to be an impeachable offense to still be a huge blow to our nation's security). What I'm saying is that there is a tipping point at which enough Repubs will abandon him in an effort to preserve their own political skins that it won't take a Dem majority to commence proceedings and that we are rapidly nearing that point.
Hawktawk wrote:Trumps latest F up may not be illegal but it may violate his oath of office, an impeachable offense(another).
48 percent of North Carolina voters favor impeachment now as opposed to 41 against. Most recent polls show 12 % of TRUMP VOTERS believe impeachment may be necessary.
Bob Corker who has been a supporter from day one says the WH is in a "downward spiral". Trey Gowdy, an early supporter of Trump has withdrawn his name from consideration for FBI director.These are heavyweights. Evenm McConnel has expressed extreme displeasure with Trumps careening from crisis to crisis completely self inflicted.
NSA chief McMaster, probably the most respected member of his cabinet came out with a forceful denial/non denial yesterday about the leak to Russia only to have Trump destroy his narrative in a tweet storm this morning.
Even Kellyanne Conway has reportedly admitted feeling dirty "need to take a shower,ugh" after defending this steaming pile of excrement.One can imaging how Spicer must feel.
How anyone can get a up with a straight face and lie for this guy is really indicative of how morally bankrupt the team around him and most republican congressmen are.
I think barring a major reboot and Trump going on some type of bipolar medicine this thing doesn't last a year longer.The sooner the better. Keep melting down idiot, please.That isn't rooting against America but for it. Trump is totally incompetent and a danger to the world and hes only getting worse daily.
The fear is how much more damage will be done to our national standing and security in the meantime.
There is no Constitutionally prescribed remedy for a violation of the oath of office. The only impeachable offenses noted in the Constitution are treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors (with misdemeanors holding a different meaning than it does today).
c_hawkbob wrote:Maybe not but it's been used as such. Impeachment proceedings for Andrew Jackson, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton all reference breach or failure to live up to (or similar wording) the Oath of Office quite prominently.
BTW Andrew Jackson was never impeached. Perhaps you were thinking of Andrew Johnson
c_hawkbob wrote:As for actual criminal actions, obstruction of justice fits the bill and just this afternoon there's word of a Comey memo indicating that POTUS may have ask him to end the investigation into Flynn.
More fuel to the fire.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said at an International Republican Institute dinner on Tuesday night that controversies in the Trump administration had grown to “Watergate size and scale,” according to reports.
Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.) wants a Democrat to be nominated to lead the FBI because “changes are needed at the White House,”
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said Wednesday morning that “there’s a lot here that’s really scary.”
c_hawkbob wrote:I'm suspect your perception may be as behind the curve as your link, a LOT has happened the last couple weeks. There is a great deal of erosion to POTUS's base you don't seem to be acknowledging.
c_hawkbob wrote:What good is his voting base to him now? Republicans in congress are absolutely the base of support he needs now and they are ones beginning to turn away from him. His voters will do him little good if he fails to reach the next election.
Hawktawk wrote:Rd trump stands at about 36 percent. He pulled about 47 percent of the vote in November.
That is about 11% of his base that has said bye bye already.
Your poll numbers are not up to date. Now it is reported that he is whining about his foreign trip. He says it's too long. He doesn't like not sleeping in his own bed. He's blowing off attempts to brief him on the complexities of the various foreign policy situations and leaders.
All he wants to do is golf, tweet stupid stuff and watch cable news.
The guy is an incompetent , stupid person. He can't even spell. He can't say he is wrong about anything . He's a cancer on America. He needs to go and I think it will happen, possibly before mueller wraps up his investigation, especially with acts of dereliction of duty on a daily and sometimes hourly basis. Republicans may be hypocrites but they aren't stupid or politically suicidal.
Frankly I wish he and chris Cornell could swap places I detest this evil pos that badly.
In the Trump White House, it’s getting lonely at the top.
President Donald Trump’s fellow Republicans in Congress are showing signs of going their own way, both on politics and policy, determined to salvage what they can of their agenda on healthcare and tax reform in the wake of one of the most difficult weeks of any American presidency.
At the same time, Trump's failure to fill senior roles at federal agencies means he does not have a cadre of loyalists who can help rein in a bureaucracy that many in Trump’s orbit believe are out to leak information intended to damage the president. That has worsened the isolation of the White House in a city that relies on friends and allies to shake off a crisis.
c_hawkbob wrote:He says 36%, you say 42% (as if that's significantly better) ... according to Reuters, he's closer. By the latest poll he's at 38% approval to 56% disapproval.
Old but Slow wrote:Anybody up for an Obama vs Trump comparison?
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