burrrton wrote:My only point is if you thought Hillary fcking Clinton was an acceptable alternative to Donald fcking Trump, I think you've ceded the moral high ground and lost the "right" to laugh at others for supporting the other candidate.
My only point is if you thought Hillary fcking Clinton was an acceptable alternative to Donald fcking Trump, I think you've ceded the moral high ground and lost the "right" to laugh at others for supporting the other candidate.
Largent80 wrote:Is this .net where a thread about Kap turn into a presidential political fiasco?....why yes.
People are still arguing about Hillary Clinton and Rump, while already seeing the devastation Rump is doing in a mere matter of months?
If a thread is to be ruined with this rhetoric I will chime in and say if somehow we escape the next 4 years, every single idiot that voted for the worlds biggest narcissist will have even seen what idiots they were for thinking he could actually properly lead this once great nation.
I wasn't saying that, what I was saying is that I was not going to vote for Hillary until he couldn't even go to the Al Smith dinner without acting like a total infant.
Oh my GOD.. that people still equate the short comings of Hillary w/ this thin-skinned, idiotic-tweeting, man-baby narcissistic baffoon is scarier to me than the division its caused.
Pulling out of the Paris Accord and joining only two other nations in the world (Syria and Nicaragua) is scary.
If what he's done doesn't scare you at all, not much will.
Hawk Sista wrote:Oh my GOD.. that people still equate the short comings of Hillary w/ this thin-skinned, idiotic-tweeting, man-baby narcissistic baffoon is scarier to me than the division its caused. The world is laughing at us, we are losing global credibility by the minute & I am petrified. I was no Bush Jr. fan (like at all), but I'd kiss him squarely on the lips if he could return to the Oval instead of the guy there now. Hell, I disagree w/ almost everything about Pence and would MUCH rather he be the highest office for n the land. 45 neither knows nor cares a thing about governance. This is bananas and rather than laugh at Trump, I'm quaking in my boots - both for what he's up to and that people still support him.
Only because HE made me do it!Which translates to: "I voted for Hillary."
Not a lot of people support Trump. His popularity has gone steadily downhill, from 45% when he took office to 36% this week. But they don't like the Democrats, either. 67% feel that the Democrats are out of touch compared to a 58% rating for DJT. That's a pretty lame opposition party.
The fact that Trump was able to get elected despite historic unfavorable ratings is due to one reason and one reason only: The Democrats were unable to present the country with a viable alternative. Heck, I remember Chawkbob commenting when Trump first started running that his candidacy was the best thing to happen to the Democrats since Watergate, a sentiment I agreed with wholeheartedly.
Now Hillary is throwing her own party under the bus, blaming them for her election woes. First it was the Comey letter, then the Russians, and now it's the Democratic party's fault. If Dems/libs want to become relevant and get this "thin-skinned, idiotic-tweeting, baby narcissistic buffoon" out of office, they need to quit making excuses and come up with an acceptable candidate and a palatable message. Right now they have neither.
That he is a denier is one of the things that scares me, that the very people in his cabinet who are in positions to protect the environment are deniers scares me.
Call em apocalyptic if you want; would you care to bet?
The level of lunacy we've seen from this man-baby president is nowhere near the short comings of HC, even if you believe all the claims against her, which I don't.
Hawk Sista wrote:..but my original point was, through many means, the president is systematically weakening the USA. By Irritating our allies one by one to the point that they share less Intel with us (which makes us less safe); by his half-brained budget proposal (that beefs up the muscle, but cuts off the head of our defense - just one of a very large # of stupid budget cuts) & on n on. The level of lunacy we've seen from this man-baby president is nowhere near the short comings of HC, even if you believe all the claims against her, which I don't. He's not just embarrassing, he's doing some damage. If he lasts 4 years, I'd be willing to bet we will be less safe, more divided, in much worse financial shape as we speed toward a continued lack of concern for climate change - and these are only some of my concerns. Call em apocalyptic if you want; would you care to bet?
That he is a denier is one of the things that scares me, that the very people in his cabinet who are in positions to protect the environment are deniers scares me.
burrrton wrote:Stop with the "denier" slander- it makes you sound like a cultist.
Oh it does not.
Hawk Sista wrote:Pulling out of the Paris Accord and joining only two other nations in the world (Syria and Nicaragua) is scary. Not only is he ignoring science and the global ecomics of said science, he's said FU to the globe and our allies. Heads of state for those allies are holding back on intelligence sharing because he's such an infant he cannot quit tweeting and saying things a leader shouldn't say, like sharing shttt with the Russians. There are too many instances to enumerate and you seem smart enough to read it all for yourself. But saying things like Putin is great, we have a lot in common & Kim Jong Un is a smart cookie... they are mass murderers and dictators for FCKK sake. That is insanity. You can use the word hyperbole All you want, but the USA is making more enemies than friends these days and that is not a liberal media ruse. Putin is playing puppeteer... all of which is weakening our standing in the world.& I don't have the time to list the myriad of reasons we should be concerned, if not for the planet and peace upon it, than for American democracy. He is upsetting and scary to my most conservative friends, too. He does NOT UNDERTAND GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNING.
If what he's done doesn't scare you at all, not much will. Trust me, I'd love to eat crow on this or even just some humble pie.
You know, I heard almost exactly the same concerns out of the left about Ronald Reagan 30 years ago. Do you remember how much angst he created with our western Europe allies minus the UK with his missile deployments? Remember the "nuclear freeze" movement? And guess what happened: The Soviet Union collapsed, the Berlin Wall came down, and libs started dancing in the streets thinking of all the ways they were going to spend the "peace dividend."
Trump's behavior is unsettling, even to a conservative like me. But I do think that you are over stating your concerns. Our allies need us a heck of a lot more than we need them. They're just going to have to learn to live with him like the rest of us here in America.
Hawk Sista wrote:Oh my GOD.. that people still equate the short comings of Hillary w/ this thin-skinned, idiotic-tweeting, man-baby narcissistic baffoon is scarier to me than the division its caused. The world is laughing at us, we are losing global credibility by the minute & I am petrified. I was no Bush Jr. fan (like at all), but I'd kiss him squarely on the lips if he could return to the Oval instead of the guy there now. Hell, I disagree w/ almost everything about Pence and would MUCH rather he be the highest office for n the land. 45 neither knows nor cares a thing about governance. This is bananas and rather than laugh at Trump, I'm quaking in my boots - both for what he's up to and that people still support him.
"lame stream media"
Hawk Sista wrote:AND QUIT comparing him to other leaders or presidents and quit lumping me in with everyone on the left. He is not Ronald Reagan, not even close. TRUMP is #NOTNORMAL!
I wasn't comparing Trump to Reagan.
monkey wrote:Yeah.. I'm the one brainwashed, Bob, when I get my news from literally ALL sources.
I, unlike most, don't disclude any possible news source, I COMPARE the news sources, from CNN, to Fox and everything in between. I like watching all the fake news sites, they make me laugh with their propaganda.
(Speaking of, CNN hilariously just a couple days ago got busted yet again for setting up a fake Muslim protest after the suicide loser blew himself up at the concert. Talk about FAKE!!!)
The fact that there is literally only one place where you can ever get even slightly right leaning news on the regular channels, really ought to tell you who is being brainwashed! Are you aware that in a recent, credible poll, only 7% of those working in the media identified as Republican? Does that sounds fair and balanced? Or are we to really believe the 93% of journalist who are leftists, really leave their biases at home? Turn on any news Network other than Fox and all you will see is 24/7 hatred of Trump.
I'm not the one who has been brainwashed. Sounds like you might have been though...
This is what I meant. . . . Trump is not presidential in any way.
Those guys, love 'em or hate 'em, were presidents.
Hawk Sista wrote:I used the Paris *Agreement as one of many examples where he's pissed off the rest of the planet. That he is a denier is one of the things that scares me, that the very people in his cabinet who are in positions to protect the environment are deniers scares me. What's scarier still - I'll bet they aren't even deniers, they are just greedy bastards.
Parse it how you want, but my original point was, through many means, the president is systematically weakening the USA. By Irritating our allies one by one to the point that they share less Intel with us (which makes us less safe); by his half-brained budget proposal (that beefs up the muscle, but cuts off the head of our defense - just one of a very large # of stupid budget cuts) & on n on. The level of lunacy we've seen from this man-baby president is nowhere near the short comings of HC, even if you believe all the claims against her, which I don't. He's not just embarrassing, he's doing some damage. If he lasts 4 years, I'd be willing to bet we will be less safe, more divided, in much worse financial shape as we speed toward a continued lack of concern for climate change - and these are only some of my concerns. Call em apocalyptic if you want; would you care to bet?
Hawk Sista wrote:I feel like I'm shouting at the wind. Perhaps were we chatting over coffee, I could make my point more effectively. There is a wide delta between the disdain for Reagan in the early days and Trumps first 140. In my view, the comp was as much of an exaggeration as I was being called for. But for now, football is supposed to be my peace and this hardly feels like that to me. As such, I respectfully exit this discussion.
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