Largent80 wrote:Here is a dilemma. The coaches say that college is not producing offensive linemen anymore. Offensive line coaches are trying to find anyone they can make into a o lineman including basketball players.
At the same time we and the media roast teams and especially the Seahawks about spending on oline players.
This is even funnier because with the huge lack of quality players and the Seahawks winning every year they pick well after any decent lineman is even available.
It's a no win situation. All I an say is I have Sunday ticket and I saw dreadful o line play across the league, so there is something to what the coaches are saying.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You can't do much when Pete isn't holding his coaches to the same standards as he is the players. I don't know what is up with Pete. Pure speculation is that he feels bad for Bevell taking the heat for the Super Bowl loss and Cable for the offensive line woes. Maybe he just likes working with them and at his age he's not interested in change. Maybe he feels he won a Super Bowl with Bevell at OC and Cable as O-line coach and he can do it again. I still think we won a Super Bowl with a defense Pete built with the offense barely needing to help. We lost because of a bad offensive call (one of the worst in history given the personnel) and just general poor offensive line development and second half offensive play-calling.
I feel like we need a change on offensive coaching staff. These coaches aren't doing a good job at picking talent on the O-line. The OC is under-utilizing expensive players like Graham.
Only Pete can decide when the offensive coaching needs something new. I been watching too long to stop watching the team because of offensive woes. This is still the best team we've had in history. Our defense is still amazing. Hopefully the offense can get their heads out of their asses, though I doubt they will until they change the offensive coaching.
We all know until they protect Russell properly, he's going to perform at a lower level. It's usually enough to get us to the playoffs. But the days of Russell running around making magic seem done. He needs an O-line to run an effective passing offense. He needs to learn to get the ball out of his hands faster. He needs to learn to work like Brady and Peyton when their O-lines weren't great.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You can't do much when Pete isn't holding his coaches to the same standards as he is the players. I don't know what is up with Pete. Pure speculation is that he feels bad for Bevell taking the heat for the Super Bowl loss and Cable for the offensive line woes. Maybe he just likes working with them and at his age he's not interested in change. Maybe he feels he won a Super Bowl with Bevell at OC and Cable as O-line coach and he can do it again. I still think we won a Super Bowl with a defense Pete built with the offense barely needing to help. We lost because of a bad offensive call (one of the worst in history given the personnel) and just general poor offensive line development and second half offensive play-calling.
I feel like we need a change on offensive coaching staff. These coaches aren't doing a good job at picking talent on the O-line. The OC is under-utilizing expensive players like Graham.
Only Pete can decide when the offensive coaching needs something new. I been watching too long to stop watching the team because of offensive woes. This is still the best team we've had in history. Our defense is still amazing. Hopefully the offense can get their heads out of their asses, though I doubt they will until they change the offensive coaching.
We all know until they protect Russell properly, he's going to perform at a lower level. It's usually enough to get us to the playoffs. But the days of Russell running around making magic seem done. He needs an O-line to run an effective passing offense. He needs to learn to get the ball out of his hands faster. He needs to learn to work like Brady and Peyton when their O-lines weren't great.
Hawktawk wrote:Wilson needs to be in a moving pocket . He needs to be in more heavy sets with backs in to block and maybe tight ends on both sides. He could be successful in 2 reciever sets if he is standing up. Then you leak out a te or a back in the flat. Run a draw now and again. Develop the run then you can go play action and drop 5 or 7.russ is deadly on long balls when clean. He was getting hit in the knee releasing the ball to lock causing him to overcompensate with his cannon arm. I still got faith.
But Bevell needs to go. He's the key. In 2012 the ravens fired cam Cameron halfway through a super bowl winning season. I cannot understand bevell still being on this staff and neither can the pundits.
Either way I've either attended in person watched on tv or listened on the radio to every game since the 70,s IG. It is going to suck when they get bad someday but I will always watch.
NorthHawk wrote:Mark Schlereth says the RB makes the OL. It's just one point of view, but he did win 3 Super Bowls and have 2 Pro Bowls to his credit in 12 years in the NFL.
Maybe that's why the Vikings were successful on Monday night.
Regarding Bevell, his hands are partly tied in that Cable is responsible for the run game. Maybe Cable is putting the kibosh on some otherwise creative run plays.
I don't know, but it may be a contributing factor.
His play calling and designing of pass plays is ridiculously conservative and predictable, so maybe it is all him.
I ask again, what potential OC would come here knowing that the Assistant HC will be his OL coach and has final say on the run game?
I think a lot of coaches would want to run all aspects of the Offense, and I don't see Pete/John getting rid of both in the middle of the season.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You can't do much when Pete isn't holding his coaches to the same standards as he is the players. I don't know what is up with Pete. Pure speculation is that he feels bad for Bevell taking the heat for the Super Bowl loss and Cable for the offensive line woes. Maybe he just likes working with them and at his age he's not interested in change. Maybe he feels he won a Super Bowl with Bevell at OC and Cable as O-line coach and he can do it again. I still think we won a Super Bowl with a defense Pete built with the offense barely needing to help. We lost because of a bad offensive call (one of the worst in history given the personnel) and just general poor offensive line development and second half offensive play-calling.
I feel like we need a change on offensive coaching staff. These coaches aren't doing a good job at picking talent on the O-line. The OC is under-utilizing expensive players like Graham.
Only Pete can decide when the offensive coaching needs something new. I been watching too long to stop watching the team because of offensive woes. This is still the best team we've had in history. Our defense is still amazing. Hopefully the offense can get their heads out of their asses, though I doubt they will until they change the offensive coaching.
We all know until they protect Russell properly, he's going to perform at a lower level. It's usually enough to get us to the playoffs. But the days of Russell running around making magic seem done. He needs an O-line to run an effective passing offense. He needs to learn to get the ball out of his hands faster. He needs to learn to work like Brady and Peyton when their O-lines weren't great.
NorthHawk wrote:In the old PI days with Holmgren we were pining for a solid Defense and especially a MLB. Now it's the opposite.
NorthHawk wrote:In the old PI days with Holmgren we were pining for a solid Defense and especially a MLB. Now it's the opposite.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:Talk about two huge egos, Mike (the Walrus) Holmgren or Pete (energizer bunny) Carroll. Mike doesn't know diddly about defense accept how to exploit one. Pete is just the opposite, he don't know diddly about the offense but is a real whiz when it comes to defense. The ONLY difference is that Pete got lucky that John Schneider was from Wisconsin and had gotten a teal good look at RW. Holmgren on the other hand had to fight first with Twitsitt and then Ruskell. But, as I have been saying BEFORE we even went to SB48, BEVELL HAS TO GO!!!!
IMHO Pete WILL be FIRED by Paul Allen if he continues his infatuation with DB. But Bevell is NO to blame for John AND Pete cutting loose most of the O-Linemen they have drafted or signed as UDFA and then developed. They let them go rather than pay them a second contract. I too am sick of it and one more inept performance and I am going to call fpr Pete to be fired while we still have a nucleus that another coach could exploit.
RiverDog wrote:
I'm still two full seasons away from calling for Pete's head. Although these past couple of years has tarnished his reputation, he's still one of the top 3 or 4 active head coaches in the league and one of the brightest defensive minds of the past 30 years.
After your team wins a championship, they immediately get a five-year grace period: You can't complain about anything that happens with your team (trades, draft picks, salary-cap cuts, coaching moves) for five years. There are no exceptions. For instance, the Pats could finish 0-80 over the next five years and I wouldn't say a peep. That's just the way it is. You win the Super Bowl, you go on cruise control for five years. Everything else is gravy.
Old but Slow wrote:My main fear is that Pete decides to retire. Who then? He has a coaching tree, coaches who have learned under him, so is there one to carry on?
Old but Slow wrote:My main fear is that Pete decides to retire. Who then? He has a coaching tree, coaches who have learned under him, so is there one to carry on?
Hawk Sista wrote:What about another Pete? U-dub Pete?
Seahawks4Ever wrote:I think what irritates me the most about Pete is the smug way he likes to talk down to not only fans but anyone and everyone who challenges his "spin" on the state of the team. Well, now even sports pundits from all over the country questioning his love affair with Bevell. Quite frankly, NONE of the sports casters can understand why Pete has been sticking with this IDIOT. I say it is a serious character flaw of Pete's that he just cannot admit, let alone accept that he has EVER made a bone headed decision. Well, he has made MANY bone headed decisions, such as the Percy Harvin trade. But that trade only scratches the surface.
I know, I know, everybody wants to kiss Pete's behind because he coached the Hawks to back to back SB appearances, winning one. Well, that was almost 4 years ago and I don't see the O-line improving at all!
Hawk Sista wrote:What about another Pete? U-dub Pete?
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