burrrton wrote:I'm saying this with the caveat that I didn't see that, but: if he did that, he's officially not in the game. He's playing his own Social Justice Warrior Battle while the rest of the team is trying to win an NFL football game.
That said: I'm skeptical until I see it on replay, and I don't think he'd be that 'out of it' to do something so ridiculous.
obiken wrote:I got it from a good friend of mine. However, I agree with you, I have not seen a replay of it.
Hawk Sista wrote:I may not hold the same political positions that some of you do, but the Hawk’s players I heard speak on it (Bennett, Sherm, RW & Doug - the latter making me most proud) did a very nice job of discussing the topic post game. Particularly in light of POTUS basically denying free speech to al AMERICANS! I’m a proud fan today. The loss sucks, the maturity allowing many points of view calmed me during a time of tumult.
obiken wrote:MIke is spun, his fault our fault nobody's fault, he is cooked. A friend of mine said he did the Black Power salute over a white player after he tackled him, I missed it but he is cookoo!
Hawk Sista wrote:I may not hold the same political positions that some of you do, but the Hawk’s players I heard speak on it (Bennett, Sherm, RW & Doug - the latter making me most proud) did a very nice job of discussing the topic post game. Particularly in light of POTUS basically denying free speech to al AMERICANS! I’m a proud fan today. The loss sucks, the maturity allowing many points of view calmed me during a time of tumult.
obiken wrote:MIke is spun, his fault our fault nobody's fault, he is cooked. A friend of mine said he did the Black Power salute over a white player after he tackled him, I missed it but he is cookoo!
I felt a need to post about this and not allowed to post this subject on other NFL forums.
rich121 wrote:IThis is nothing less than disgusting.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I have to ask, are any of you allowed to protest at work? I am not. Then again I don't have to stand for the national anthem before my job everyday either. Or pray. Or do anything remotely like they do at a football game. Perhaps if they want to remove this issue and view this as a regular workplace, they should remove the national anthem from the games. Then it would be far more like a regular workplace.
Freedom is relative to the person. There's a lots of people that don't let other people be free for having disagreeable opinions. There are plenty of religious folk that aren't allowed to exercise their free speech and choice rights with their children and businesses. And taxation itself to feed the beast of government and the general population size is not freedom, i'ts a nearly permanent claim on your labor and possessions that is now tied to the running of the nation in a way that will never allow freedom of the kind intended again. Suffice it to say, we can no longer afford freedom. We absolutely need a large portion of the human population in America working, so that the government can take their 20 to 40 cents per dollar earned from them to a pay the bills for a government that has been promoting anything but freedom for quite a number of years. To apply it to this situation just to add to the mess, we're literally paying for cops to be on video at all times because general human incompetence, prejudice, and other negative human emotional traits have created a situation where we must monitor them due to their position in society. Can you imagine how being a cop at this point requires you to be on video at all times? Then again we're moving towards a society of constant monitoring. Who am I kidding, we're already there. I can't use a search engine without some add showing up for the last place I searched. I know all my financial transactions are tracked. We're screwed. We'll be fighting in foreign wars for other nations and slowly moving towards bankruptcy to keep the masses from collapsing into economic chaos until we're bankrupt.
c_hawkbob wrote:That ain't anywhere near "flying off the handle" ID, Cheeto absolutely proffered the limitation of freedom of speech. The office of POTUS carries a much greater responsibility than does citizenship, lets hold him to a higher standard shall we?
And OBI, what are you taking about?
Aseahawkfan wrote:I have to ask, are any of you allowed to protest at work? I am not. Then again I don't have to stand for the national anthem before my job everyday either. Or pray. Or do anything remotely like they do at a football game. Perhaps if they want to remove this issue and view this as a regular workplace, they should remove the national anthem from the games. Then it would be far more like a regular workplace.
obiken wrote:Here you go Cbob
obiken wrote:Here you go Cbob
mykc14 wrote:That video shows exactly what I was talking about... Bennett's new sack 'celebration.' It has nothing to do with the color of the guys skin he just sacked and he doesn't do the 'celebration' over him. He does it 15 yards away. I imagine we will see this after every sack. If he had more than 1 in 3 games we would know for sure...
c_hawkbob wrote:That ain't anywhere near "flying off the handle" ID, Cheeto absolutely proffered the limitation of freedom of speech. The office of POTUS carries a much greater responsibility than does citizenship, lets hold him to a higher standard shall we?
And OBI, what are you taking about?
Hawk Sista wrote:POTUS is the POTUS. SURE, he can have his opinions, but if you really cannot see the hypocrisy of calling for the firing of those exercising their right to a Peaceful protest, I dunno what to tell you. He is the president, for crying out loud. POTUS had kinder things to say about Nazi flag waiving bigots chanting racial slurs. The division in this country has always been there, trump has shone the light on it and it really sickens me that people are lining up to pile-on. Freedom means freedom.
I'll set the record straight here if you are open to hearing it.
The president wasn't talking about the Nazi flag waving bigots. The protest had a mix of many groups, one of them was the Nazi waving bigots but also included non-nazi waving bigots who wanted to preserve history (ugly as it may be) symbolized in the statue they wanted to take down. When the Antifa jack legs (isn't that a contradiction in itself) started the rioting at the rally, the normal people left and the Nazi flag wavers stayed there to argue with the Jack legs.
RiverDog wrote:That's a good point. I'm not allowed to protest on the job, either, and of course, we don't start our day with the anthem, the pledge of allegiance, a quiet time for prayer/reflection, or anything more spiritual than a safety talk or butt chewing.
It's pretty hard to mandate that any American citizen honor the flag or the anthem, nor should we ever attempt to. I can remember a lady I used to work with who was in Hitler's youth core as a 9 year old girl tell me that in Nazi Germany, if you were a little boy and didn't salute a poster of Hitler, you got whipped, and if you were a man and didn't give a salute to the poster, you got shot. So as far as Trump's opinion about firing anyone who disrespects the flag, if as an owner he ever did fire someone for that reason, he'd get that termination shoved so far up his hind end that he wouldn't know whether to crap or have puppies.
But there is a simple solution. If team owners or the league does not like the protests, then keep the teams in the locker room for the ceremony as the Hawks and Titans did Sunday. Some coaches at other levels and sports have opted to do this anyway in order to take advantage of the 5-10 minutes it takes to get organized and do a little more coaching.
On a personal level, I don't care for Michael Bennett, Colin Kaepernick, or anyone else giving me their unsolicited opinions on worldly matters and preaching to me about anything not related to the game, and if they keep it up, I'll tune them out just as I kick off my property the bible beaters that want to shove a bunch of their propaganda down my throat or hang up on unsolicited phone calls. I feel I'm very much in tune to current events and don't need them to draw my attention to it with their symbolism. I'm so tired of this crap that I'm one bad losing streak by the Hawks from taking up golf or fishing. It's not what I'm paying for. This sport is looking more and more like professional wrestling.
NorthHawk wrote:I think it was Baldwin who pointed out people in the stands are moving to their seats and buying beer as well as sometimes yelling during the anthem.
I've never seen anyone try to correct their behavior or even mention it much.
Aseahawkfan wrote:That's how I am as well. Athletes talking means nothing to me. The one-sided way these athletes and politicians are dealing with this situation is not going to fix the problem. This problem goes much deeper and isn't as tied to racism as people would like it to be.
c_hawkbob wrote:
Sorry, ID, and seriously: no offense intended but I'm just not buying your filtering of the events. I was paying attention real time as well and that just wasn't my take on it at all.
This isn't the OT section so this is the last I'll comment on it the main forum. Apologies all.
idhawkman wrote:No offense taken. This is a discussion on a civil level.
I didn't filter any of it but ok.
Regarding the OT - We as fans did not introduce politics into our sports. Our team's players did. It is going to be very difficult to separate it out because whether they like it or not, this is going to effect the team. As Taya Kyle said in her open letter to the NFL.
The NFL is what America should be. People of all races, colors, religion, creeds, etc coming together to unite in the pursuit of one goal. The win.
Unfortunately, now they have to decide what they want to stand or kneel for and whether their team mates are with them or not on the playing field.
My take on all of this is: If I walk up to someone and spit in their face and then get surprised that they don't want to hear what my cause is, then I deserve their reaction. It should be common knowledge that you don't start a conversation (or public debate) by first insulting the person you want to have listen to your posiiton. They can't get past the insult especially if it is as bitter and deep as the one they chose (kneeling or sitting for the anthem). There's better ways to open the discussion. So until they quit insulting me, I will not listen (or watch) them. and honestly, it is breaking my heart because I have been a Seahawk fan for 40 years.
idhawkman wrote:My take on all of this is: If I walk up to someone and spit in their face and then get surprised that they don't want to hear what my cause is, then I deserve their reaction. It should be common knowledge that you don't start a conversation (or public debate) by first insulting the person you want to have listen to your posiiton. They can't get past the insult especially if it is as bitter and deep as the one they chose (kneeling or sitting for the anthem). There's better ways to open the discussion. So until they quit insulting me, I will not listen (or watch) them. and honestly, it is breaking my heart because I have been a Seahawk fan for 40 years.
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