FolkCrusader wrote:I have to agree with NH. Aside from your occasional "get off my lawn" attitude I see you as typically quite logical, River. One has zero to do with the other. An entire police department (as well as those of many surrounding areas) is going through likely the most traumatic single criminal event they will ever go through. They deserve our support and concern.
Bennett has brought up a situation where he believes his civil rights were violated by a few officers. He hasn't even been allowed to see the video evidence at the scene yet the LVPD has released edited video twice in support of their claim. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. The evidence is certainly not clear yet. Nor has Bennett decided if he will even file suit.
So to say that either one of these situations is related is beyond my comprehension. You sound like the whackos on my FB feed.
FolkCrusader wrote:I have to agree with NH. Aside from your occasional "get off my lawn" attitude I see you as typically quite logical, River. One has zero to do with the other. An entire police department (as well as those of many surrounding areas) is going through likely the most traumatic single criminal event they will ever go through. They deserve our support and concern.
Bennett has brought up a situation where he believes his civil rights were violated by a few officers. He hasn't even been allowed to see the video evidence at the scene yet the LVPD has released edited video twice in support of their claim. Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong. The evidence is certainly not clear yet. Nor has Bennett decided if he will even file suit.
So to say that either one of these situations is related is beyond my comprehension. You sound like the whackos on my FB feed.
The cops said that they were responding to a report of an active shooter when Michael Bennett was detained, so it most definitely is related.
You're right, we still don't know all the facts. What we do know is that Bennett was detained for all of 10 minutes, 7 of which were spent sitting in the back seat of a police car, and that he did not suffer any bodily injuries from the detainment, also was seen shaking hands with one of the cops as he was released. That doesn't sound too violated to me. Like you said, we haven't seen all the evidence, but there is certainly none that we know of that suggests that his civil rights were violated.
In light of the recent events, even if there was something inappropriate that the cops did during those 180 seconds, I don't think Bennett's lawsuit is going to get very far if he requests a trial by jury.
How many were white and what was the description of the alleged shooter?
He has a right to minimize his profile when leaving as everyone else.
However, when most of the people around are black, it's pretty silly to act like he was singled out because of his skin color.
c_hawkbob wrote:How about lets wait till he actually files a lawsuit to discuss that lawsuit.
c_hawkbob wrote:From what I can see everything he said was reactionary and said shortly after the event. I'll wait and see if anything more comes of this but I wouldn't be surprised if nothing does. Meanwhile it's you all keeping this an active discourse, not him.
c_hawkbob wrote:From what I can see everything he said was reactionary and said shortly after the event. I'll wait and see if anything more comes of this but I wouldn't be surprised if nothing does. Meanwhile it's you all keeping this an active discourse, not him.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Is Riverdog the one kneeling at games or writing a book called "How to Make White People Uncomfortable"? I didn't realize. It sounds like Mr. Bennett being reactionary and this event occurring is very convenient for his activist agenda and his book. I"m sure he'll include the experience to support whatever conclusion he is advancing with a book with such a name.
Bennett is very much driven by an agenda.
Hawk Sista wrote:We don't know what happened to Michael that night; was it his perspective that he was singled out and threated, or was he?? As a black man, I can surely understand having an emotional reaction to the events he endured, even if the PD is to be 100% believed. But we have discussed this topic in many threads. Irrespective of what comes from it - what we learn, what MB does, etc... tying his experience and MB's subsequent reaction to the worst mass shooting in the modern era is just looking for a fight. Are you suggesting that Bennett, even if he feels he was wronged, should drop the issue because something horrendous happened in the same city? Because the first responders did a nice job of handling a lunatic with 23 machine guns? Or are you saying that Bennett is a liar because look how well they did, or what they have had to endure, or what they are always on guard about?
NorthHawk wrote:Why would he apologize if he was wronged by the police?
Just because there was a nutcase on the 32nd that floor police had to deal with doesn't give other abuses a free ride.
These incidents are mutually exclusive.
NorthHawk wrote:It's interestingly convenient that the cop's body camera wasn't turned on at that time.
Coincidence, possibly but maybe the other video's can give as complete a picture as possible.
We'll see how it all unfolds.
Hawk Sista wrote:I see what you are saying with public sentiment being more aligned to LVPD right now as a result of this awful tragedy. And yet I also understand that I neither know what happened to Bennett...nor how he felt about those 10-15 minutes through his lens... HIS paradigm. There is NO solitary objective reality, here now, or ever for that matter. Which is kinda my point. To one person, events are viewed/felt/perceived one way & to another - there are very real and very different set of truths as a result of a million things...life experiences chief among them.
No one person has the capacity to recall an emotion-filled moment 100% the way that it actually occurred.... complete with understanding of how the “other” party came to their own assumptions, feelings, perspectives & actions. Law enforcement who are on video beating the hell out of people (perhaps fatally so) are given a bigger pass (because they were afraid, didn’t ’t know what would happen, self preservation....Etc more often). Since the two disparate situations have been paired, seriously (in reflection) ask yourselves what the diatribe would be had the person who killed 59 people been other than a white dude. (This doesn’t make me racist to point it out... it frickin the exists). Write the story line if a
Mexican, black man, or coincidentally Muslim had shot up Vegas. What would be the headlines in the paper??? It’d
Be VERY different.
If the nation gave Michael his due diligence the way the officer has been given his for zero body-cameras and is role/actions, we’d all be further ahead and getting somewhere. While I realize it “cuts both ways” - there is a different standard for the black man to PROVE himself than a potentially over-zealous beat cop.
idhawkman wrote:I don't know much about the body cams but one of the questions I have is how long does the battery last on those things? Do they plug them in when they go off duty?
Hawktawk wrote:Body cams generally don't run continuously or they would record every inane detail of a shift. Cops turn them on unless I am mistaken. If there's an active shooter situation isn't it conceivable the guy just forgot to activate it?
I dunno about Mike Bennett and his beef with law enforcement in Vegas. He has the right to feel however he likes about being detained but not to make up stuff. Either way its a little out of character for my buddy RD to link this tragedy with Mikes situation.
Frankly I think we might all need to take a knee for America, just not during our anthem.
Shes a hurting unit in so many ways.
Just keep in mind that it is very possible that his perception could be a polar opposite perception of that of the cop(s) that detained him.
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