idhawkman wrote:This is true but there is no crime in this.
Now if we're talking about getting some news stories or intelligence on a competing candidate, you are correct. That isn't a crime. That's why I think they won't find anything and Trump will be fine. Some Americans are so gullible that they think receiving intelligence from a foreign intelligence agency that helps with an election is a crime. It isn't unless they somehow prove Trump engaged them to illegally spy or wiretap like Watergate. They would have to find a witness to testify Trump ordered him to do something illegal or a paper trail that Trump compensated someone for illegal activities. Just obtaining information is not enough.
Again, no crime will have been committed. There is no statute on the books for "collusion". It just doesn't exist.
I think I understand what you're saying. A lot of Trump hating folks seem to think if they prove Trump and campaign talked with Russia, that will be enough to impeach. It won't. You have to have agreements and exchange of compensation for
illegal activities that violate the laws for obtaining information. It can't be just some Russian spy or agency gave Trump information or released it on their own to help Trump get elected. That will do nothing and Trump will be cleared.
There's no real downside for the republicans. As I mentioned above, Mueller should have recused himself multiple times for various reasons and any findings by his merry band of democratic donors will not result in any impeachment hearings.
Let's gentleman's bet. If Trump is impeached it will cost the Republicans The White House for least a term, maybe longer if the Democrats can field a strong candidate. Carter was a weak candidate that Reagan took out after one term when Nixon was impeached. Though I doubt Trump will be impeached.
They will go crazy but imagine how crazy they go when they find out that there's no such law as collusion for elections.
It completely depends on the nature of that collusion. If what you said was true, Nixon would never have been impeached. He paid his staff to engage in illegal activities to win an election, which is in essence collusion. Just because the law doesn't say "collusion" doesn't mean there aren't laws in place to prevent election tampering or collusion or conspiracy to engage in illegal activities for some aim.
The reality the Trump Haters don't realize is that proving illegal election tampering is real, real hard. Mueller absolutely has to find someone that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump either compensated someone for or ordered illegal activities with the intent of winning the election. For example, they would literally have to have a witness or a paper saying, "Trump paid Russian spy such and such to illegally spy on Hilary Clinton and release illegally obtained intelligence at a key time in the election process." Or "Trump paid Russian hackers to manipulate voting machines" on his behalf. I don't think that evidence exists.
If Democratic donors are paying Mueller to conduct his investigation, they are stupid. As far as I'm concerned Robert Mueller is a Trojan Horse for the Republicans. He is going to screw the Democrats so hard they'll be walking funny for a while. Mueller is a Republican. He's going to clear Trump at a key time empowering Trump and keeping the White House for Republicans for two terms at least. Don't you see the game,
IDhawkman. For all the talk from Republicans like Corker, McCain, and the like, business loves what Trump is doing. All those big political donors are so happy with a Trump-led government and all the money that will be flowing into their coffers. Even the big Democrat donors in tech are just licking their chops to get that money. This public stuff is all fake gamesmanship to seem offended and unhappy to appease their liberal customer bases. They're playing the Democratic Socialist voters like fiddles. Mueller is going to empower Trump and the Republican Majority congress like you wouldn't believe. If he really goes after Trump, I'll be surprised. Mueller's there to be put on a good show, then yank the rug out from the Democrats while smiling and taking their money (if Democratic donors are really paying him."
Let's just say like you, I don't believe any such evidence exists. The Trojan Horse known as Robert Mueller is going to make this nation Republican led for likely for another term.