trents wrote:Seattle executed a total of 12 running plays today. And we have seen in recent weeks that when the ground game starts to work the coaching staff mysteriously goes away from it. I'm tired of the rhetoric. The coaching staff says one thing and does another. Seems to me they don't give it enough of a chance to really know if it's going to jell or not.
trents wrote:Seattle executed a total of 12 running plays today. And we have seen in recent weeks that when the ground game starts to work the coaching staff mysteriously goes away from it. I'm tired of the rhetoric. The coaching staff says one thing and does another. Seems to me they don't give it enough of a chance to really know if it's going to jell or not.
Largent80 wrote:They are out of excuses and so is everyone here, because this has all been talked about for years and in multitudes of threads and even the coaches themselves in press conferences.
It's all talk, the action following the talk does not coincide.
When you have a coach that is so stubborn on "what has worked" and keeps the same system in place when is is showing decline, the standard has already been set.
There is absolutely no reason to not do a complete change in the system as we know/knew it, and the league has proven it.
Yesterday was absolute proof. The Seahawks were soundly thrashed in EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME.
This quote will tell you everything you need to know....“This is the only game you’ve ever seen us play like this,” Carroll said postgame. “I can’t remember back to year one or something like that. Our expectations were that we were going to be right in the middle of this thing.”
Yesterday was reckoning day, and if it get's ignored it's a shame, but people are creatures of habit, we fans have been spoiled by this run of success, but it's like a bad marriage, "shoulda split a few years ago".
The truth is, that was the worst display of football that I have seen from this team in recent memory – or maybe ever. When the Seahawks had their destiny in their hands, they failed to show up. This is about as disappointed as I’ve been with this team in a long time. I know they’re dealing with a ton of injuries, but what we saw in this game went far beyond a short-handed team doing what it can. They were flat out no-shows.
Largent80 wrote:They are out of excuses and so is everyone here, because this has all been talked about for years and in multitudes of threads and even the coaches themselves in press conferences.
It's all talk, the action following the talk does not coincide.
When you have a coach that is so stubborn on "what has worked" and keeps the same system in place when is is showing decline, the standard has already been set.
There is absolutely no reason to not do a complete change in the system as we know/knew it, and the league has proven it.
Yesterday was absolute proof. The Seahawks were soundly thrashed in EVERY PHASE OF THE GAME.
This quote will tell you everything you need to know....“This is the only game you’ve ever seen us play like this,” Carroll said postgame. “I can’t remember back to year one or something like that. Our expectations were that we were going to be right in the middle of this thing.”
Yesterday was reckoning day, and if it get's ignored it's a shame, but people are creatures of habit, we fans have been spoiled by this run of success, but it's like a bad marriage, "shoulda split a few years ago".
The truth is, that was the worst display of football that I have seen from this team in recent memory – or maybe ever. When the Seahawks had their destiny in their hands, they failed to show up. This is about as disappointed as I’ve been with this team in a long time. I know they’re dealing with a ton of injuries, but what we saw in this game went far beyond a short-handed team doing what it can. They were flat out no-shows.
trents wrote:Seattle executed a total of 12 running plays today. And we have seen in recent weeks that when the ground game starts to work the coaching staff mysteriously goes away from it. I'm tired of the rhetoric. The coaching staff says one thing and does another. Seems to me they don't give it enough of a chance to really know if it's going to jell or not.
NorthHawk wrote:Let's see how they react in Dallas next week before we give up on them. If they just roll over then wholesale changes will have to be made, but if they scratch out a win or come very close it's a sign that less drastic moves are needed.
Largent80 wrote:The showing in Dallas doesn't even matter, especially when the team played it's best game a mere 2 weeks ago. It's like it never happened.
Anyone who still thinks this is a championship team is looking through Crimson Coke bottle glasses.
NorthHawk wrote:This year the injury bug bit us real hard. Maybe not in quantity, but in quality, so next week will show us if the players have tuned out the coaches or if they really want to win.
Dallas can be had - they aren't that good this year, so we have a real chance to win, and the final game against Arizona even if meaningless in the standings at that time will tell a lot about the make up of this team.
Largent80 wrote:Dallas is on an upswing. 2 wins in a row, last night on the road and get a Seahawks team that defacated all over the field for every second of 60 minutes.
I m thinking forwardly not just making the playoffs. I hear Jim Mora Sr in my ear right now.
Really.... Who are we???
NorthHawk wrote:In listening to Pete's press conference right after the game, I got the impression he was really ground up by this loss. He wasn't Positive Pete like other losses and he seemed to lack enthusiasm.
I wonder if it will be his last year and if he's thinking of moving on to different challenges.
It's nothing other than just a feeling I got with no other evidence to support it, but there was either some sadness or resignation in the air as if he was looking at the end of a journey.
RiverDog wrote:
It's pretty hard to stick to a running game when you're down 20-0 with 2 minutes gone in the 2nd quarter and 34-0 at halftime. The game plan pretty much gets thrown out the window at that point.
Boy, this would be a very poor time for Pete to go out. My impression is that he wants to go out like Bill Walsh, on top of the world and riding on his player's shoulders. If we lose out, which is a strong possibility, he'd be going out with his tail between his legs. I just don't think he'd want to define his career like that.
NorthHawk wrote:Let's see how they react in Dallas next week before we give up on them. If they just roll over then wholesale changes will have to be made, but if they scratch out a win or come very close it's a sign that less drastic moves are needed.
RiverDog wrote:
Agreed. Leave it to North Hawk to offer the measured, rational approach. We still have a shot at the playoffs, even a division title.
But no one can blame our passionate fan base for calling for heads to roll. That was the most embarrassing game in the Pete Carroll era, bar none. If we lose big in Dallas, it's going to be a huge shout out for major changes next season. If we lose out and Pete doesn't have the balls to shake up the team, I wouldn't be the only one to risk falling off the bandwagon.
idhawkman wrote:Hmmm.... I think the lollipops and rainbows train has already left the station. I don't think it is coming back for a while either. I just don't see the "eye of the tiger" in this group anymore. Many got paid and comfortable and I don't think they are willing to risk any of that for the team anymore. I may be wrong but I don't think they are "hungry" for it.
RiverDog wrote:
The lollipops and rainbows train never did come my way. I had major reservations with this team going at least two years back. This is not the same unit that IMO was the best team in the league from 2012-2014.
And I get the same sense, that this team has lost its drive. There's nothing else that can explain such a horrid performance. There's not THAT much talent difference between us and the Rams. Are the various distractions this team has had to deal with over the past couple of seasons to blame? Russell's Hollywood romance/marriage? Bennett's social activism? If we lose badly again this Sunday, you can bet your bottom dollar that those issues will rise to the top of these discussions.
RiverDog wrote:
And I get the same sense, that this team has lost its drive. There's nothing else that can explain such a horrid performance. There's not THAT much talent difference between us and the Rams. Are the various distractions this team has had to deal with over the past couple of seasons to blame? Russell's Hollywood romance/marriage? Bennett's social activism? If we lose badly again this Sunday, you can bet your bottom dollar that those issues will rise to the top of these discussions.
idhawkman wrote:Carroll mentioned the distractions in his presser yesterday. When they pressed him on what distractions he hemmed and hawed around for a bit before coming up with some gobble-de-goop of stuff around the injuries and how too many players aren't practicing during the week because they are nursing injuries, etc. I've been making that point myself but I think it may be deeper than that. Drawing the negative attention on yourself by kneeling on the sidelines and then not performing is a recipe for dissension in the ranks. That's just my opinion though.
Hawktawk wrote:Are you serious? There is a huge talent difference in critical areas, especially with all the Seattle injuries.
Gurley vs Wilson and wet dog food at RB.
Their ST vs ours.
Their D vs the shell of ours ( ET was right Wags couldn't get to the hole, no KJ 3 all pros on ir.)
their O line vs the Matador express lane.
And last but not least their coaching staff. Carroll hasn't had his team ready to go recently with a few exceptions like Philly, he hasn't had a good game plan much of the last year and he hasn't held his staff or QB accountable at any point that I can see.
The best he could do after Sundays rookie like performance under withering pressure was say RW had a "hard time, wasn't quite as sharp as we needed him to be."
Sean McVay is here to stay along with Wade Phillips,Goff, Gurley and that #1 offense . So is Shanahan and Jimmy Garoppolo who became the first man since Ben Roethlisberger to win his first 5 NFL starts.
The party's over as far as rolling through this division and it might get ugly if this team doesn't make some changes across the board.
I might consider trying to lure Gruden if PC starts waffling. There is no better owner than Allen and Gruden loves Russ...Salary would not be an issue ....I know its heresy but why not stir the pot?
HumanCockroach wrote:Do you remember that first half? That had zero to do with the coaches.
Hawktawk wrote:I know you have been pointing out Russ’s slow starts and I can’t disagree . But the last 2 weeks WTF.
After the eagles game he was probably the mvp of the league . Against Jacksonville he looked like a strong armed athletic rookie with the rocket balls he was launching .
Then Sunday. Good grief. Worst game of his career. As bad as that gutted D was they kept it a 1 score game for a while despite no help from the offense whatsoever .
I guess I’ more willing to pile on seeing his happy day life is good super fresh etc non football junk all
over the media and internet
There is having a positive attitude and just not caring enough .
Russ is a enigma. Slow start or not he hasnt cost the team many wins but the last 2 are on him as
Much as anyone
Largent80 wrote:Wilson can't throw and catch the ball for McEvoy. Wilson can't keep the same McEvoy from fumbling after he put the ball right in his hands.
Wilson can't make up for boneheaded play action 50 yard bombs with Donald having a career day.
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