RiverDog wrote:You're not the former PI poster Steven Snell, are you?
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't think the NFL could engineer that many people in some kind of scam to make an NFL team in LA good. Rams are legit. We knew their defense was good. They finally have an offense. If Goff doesn't regress, they're going to be dangerous for years to come. They showed more than anything we need our run game back.
I'm not much for conspiracy theories. I don't look much at the penalties. I don't think they decide the outcomes of our games. I haven't seen a strong correlation between penalties and winning or losing. The only time penalties matter is if you haven't done enough to win where the penalties become something you analyze. Penalties are an irritating non-factor that fans clamp on to when they don't want to admit their team didn't play well enough to win.
mykc14 wrote:Lol, no. I don’t remember him. He might have been before my time. Was he a conspiracy nut?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Most of the penalties seem to be because we have new O-linemen every year and defensive lineman that go offsides trying to time the snap, and teach some grabby play in our secondary. It's our style of play that leads to a lot of these penalties. The offensive ones are the main ones I care about. Those are penalties due to lack of coaching and or development time as well as discipline. Mistiming snaps on pass rushing and occasional holds or PIs on secondary play are penalties that will happen and don't affect our play much given our defense's status as one of the best in the league.
RiverDog wrote:
Oh,yea, he was 100% convinced that the Rooneys paid off the refs in XL and that the game was totally and completely fixed, and that anyone that couldn't see that was as blind as a bat. I also had a number of debates with him involving the JFK assassination as he as convinced that the CIA conspired with the mob to bump off Kennedy.
I'm pretty skeptical of any conspiracy theory, especially in this day and age of instant communications, video and audio recording capability, etc, especially those that would require the cooperation of those that already have tons of money and would be assuming a huge amount of risk for what to them is mere peanuts.
As far as the discrepancy in penalties goes, I feel that it's more of a matter our reputation working against us, and I wish Pete would start bringing up that discrepancy in his post game conferences and give those crews something to think about.
mykc14 wrote:That’s funny. I’m not that extreme. In fact I usually poo poo anybody who brings up conspiracies, maybe I’m getting more and more skeptical as I get older.
jshawaii22 wrote:However, that does leave one giant possible NFL conspiracy that I would believe, and that's Al Riveron's total control over every replay -- this means that it could be Goodell to him on a private line. I could see $100k for that influence. No, you can't decide ahead of time which plays or teams would get to him, but enough of his replay decisions have left us fans scratching our heads (or he is just clueless) and at times it seems he 's under a predetermined outcome.
burrrton wrote:I don't think it's an outright conspiracy, but I believe it's entirely reasonable to think NFL officials may have a predisposition to favor (or not) certain teams based on a variety of factors, and with as consistent as the rogering has been against SEA (via calls/non-calls in our games), I think it's obvious our players and/or style of play has affected that.
Yeah, I know every team think they came out on the wrong end of every call, but we have data to back that up.
NorthHawk wrote:They've "lawyered" the rule book to death.
The debate about what constitutes a catch is still ongoing which says everything you need to know about the state of the rules and the administration of them.
There are 5 fundamental skills (running, blocking, tackling, passing, and catching) that this game requires to play and they can't define one of them to fit in some cases even obvious successful execution of one of those skills.
Too many words create too many grey areas open to subjectivity and interpretation.
RiverDog wrote:
Trivia question: Does anyone know when you can have an unopposed free FG attempt with the defense not even being allowed to attempt a block?
mykc14 wrote:Right after you fair catch a punt....
RiverDog wrote:
....or a kickoff.
Hairball tried it once and missed on a 71 yard FG attempt at the end of a half.
Here's another part of the fair catch rule I just noticed:
If time expires while ball is in play and a fair catch is awarded, receiving team may choose to extend the period with one fair catch kick down. However, placekicker may not use tee.
mykc14 wrote:I didn’t know Harbaugh tried one. I’ve never actually seen anybody attempt anything like that, but it would be cool to see. It just goes to show all the crazy rules in the league, like the batted ball we saw with K.J. last year, or the kickoff return guy going out of bounds to touch the kickoff. There is just so much for these officials to know!
RiverDog wrote:
The play you are referring to with KJ happened 3 years ago, and I was in the Hawk's Nest to see it all unfold in front of me.
Hawktawk wrote:Don't get me started. Yes SB XL between the Seasquaks owned by the geeky techno nerd vs the Hallowed Stealers owned by league godfather Dan Rooney who got both Rozelle and Tagliabue their jobs was rigged. From the automatic security gate slamming into the van transporting Seahawks lineman including Jones and Hutch, to the promotional commercials played by the League, to the league allowing the sale of terrible towels in a stadium 500 miles from Pittsburgh,
to the calls and the non calls as the strike zone varied wildly depending on the color of the jersey for 60 brutal minutes of being treated like the new jersey generals,
it was a jobbing of epic proportions.
Yeah it was rigged. No smoky back rooms or accounts in the caymans. The refs just knew the deal. Being an NFL referee is the most glamorous officiating job in pro sports. Its a privilege, not a right. They knew what was supposed to happen with Paul tagliabue sitting in Dan Rooney's luxury box...
Sunday on Seattle's first possession Lockett was clearly yanked down as he attempted to catch a 20 yard pass on 3rd down. No call. Second possession Richardson is shoved just as he attempts to high point the pass, something hes gone all year.
You can't jump when you're off balance. No call.
Then our guy gets called for running the route better than the receiver and getting face masked. Vs Jax Richardson is molested with the game on the line. No call.
And yes I watched the entire Titan rams game. The titans got screwed numerous times in a one possession game.
The league is desperate for new blood and especially in the LA market. Refs understand this.
Yeah, some teams play the zebras too. It was no different for anyone going up against Jordan or Malone in the day. They know who the money makers are.
It sucks though. It's a testimony to the greatness of Seattle they have excelled in spite of it but they aren't good enough to overcome it anymore.
mykc14 wrote:That was 3 years ago!!! My gosh I’m getting old! These last 5-7 years or so really are all rolling together for me. It’s hard for me to say what happened when. Maybe it’s because that when I started have kids (7,5,4)? I don’t know but at least it makes me still think/ feel like I’m in my 20’s!
RiverDog wrote:Hehehe! I hate to tell you this, but as you grow old, memory is just the 2nd thing to go. Have fun figuring out which part of you went first.
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