RiverDog wrote:Like so many other things, there is no one generic reason for suicides. I know for a fact that some suicidal tendencies are a result of the "broken mind" that ASF eluded to. There's even been medical evidence of such conditions.
But I also know for a fact that there are other suicides that are as a result of being selfish or not being willing to face life's challenges. I had a good friend and co worker that committed suicide because he was about to be arraigned on sexual abuse charges, charges that were later proven to be false (the accuser admitted she made it up).
I know of a suicide that happened when a man's wife was going to leave him. During an argument, he shot himself in front of both his wife and his kids.
It's not like other illnesses that have defined symptoms and perscribed cures.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Both of those sound like broken minds to me. Lost minds not even thinking about what their actions will do to anyone including themselves. Just a momentary burst of madness that causes them to end themselves. Plenty of people have been accused of sexual abuse or argued with their wives that were going to leave them and not gone that far. When you go that far, your mind has something wrong with it to begin with and selfishness is not how I would characterize it.
RiverDog wrote:The one guy, the guy that was about to be arraigned, planned his suicide for weeks. He started selling off his valuables, quit taking care of his appearance, went and bought a gun, and 30 minutes before he was scheduled for arraignment, put it to his head and pulled the trigger.
Obviously something is wrong with a mind that considers suicide as an option, but the question is how much control or influence do we have over it. There's this part of me that won't allow me to excuse unacceptable or abnormal behavior by attributing it to some sort of uncontrollable mental deficiency. Jerry Sandusky's mind had to be "broken" for him to do what he did, and I'm not going to excuse it.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You don't have to excuse it. You're exactly right. Nearly every mind that kills themselves is broken. You could plead insanity for nearly every one of them.
But you can't do anything about suicide. Once they're dead, whether anyone excuses it or not doesn't matter. By this time you should understand that my statements are more a matter of fact than personal opinions or viewpoints. Fact is that people that commit suicide have overridden the natural drive to survive that all living creatures have. Humans are one of the few living things that can override that primal drive to survive. Humans that override the desire to live generally have a broken mind that has given up for some reason that destroyed their mind. After they are dead, what is the point of not excusing the behavior? You hoping to end suicide that has been occurring for thousands of years? All you really do is shrug and hope some scientist or doctor or person figures out some way to fix the minds that are suicidal due to chemical problems and accept that no matter what we do some people are going to commit suicide. Nature of being human. No use heaping on with they are selfish or other statements. Why kick a corpse that obviously had serious problems while they were living and likely was suffering? It doesn't help anyone, including the people affected by their death.
RiverDog wrote:When I say excuse it, I don't mean it the same sense that one would excuse someone from getting a traffic ticket. I'm using the term to show that there's nonsensical reasons, such as not wanting to face up to a sexual harassment charge, and a more understandable reason, such as suicides involving those that have a terminal disease. Perhaps there's a better term....like rational/irrational?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Rational suicides due to cancer or similar diseases are rational. That is a better word. Medical science can extend life beyond where it should at this point. Sometimes you have to choose to shut it down and stop all the work to keep you alive when living is physical misery.
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