Largent80 wrote:Thers no way JS doesnt trade for more picks.
HumanCockroach wrote:When was the last time a team gave up HOF caliber players for draft picks, during the prime of their career that benefited them?
If they trade ET for a couple picks, barring those picks immediately playing on a HOF level, I would seriously question their acumen. You do not cast HOF caliber talent aside for gambles on unproven, inexperienced, question marks. That's fan fiction, not intelligent, comprehensive management.
Only a fool would trade the leader of the defense in their prime for player x in the draft. How many whiffs are necessary to reinforce that? If you can fleece someone * like QB fleecing* you pull that trigger, but no way do you do that before. Ie 3 firsts and 2 2nds or something of that nature, does anyone see that as a realistic expectation? No? Then you simply don't do it.
Doubtful Carroll interested in a complete rebuild, and if they trade ET, that is indeed what it is.
HumanCockroach wrote:Until you can actually provide even a LITTLE evidence that that's the case, you're simply attempting to justify your own position with hot air and hyperbole..... use as many irrelevant examples as you want, claim there's no argument, but you know you haven't provided a SINGLE factual claim justifying your position.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Earl is 28 years old. He plays safety. He's hardly on the downside of his career. He has likely another 3 to 5 great years in him. I'd trade Bobby Wags before Earl, but don't want to trade either. Keeping Sherm, Earl, and Wags as the cornerstones of our defense is a must in my opinion. With Frank Clark, Bennett,and some young and up comers on D-line, we can focus on adding at other positions.
RiverDog wrote:But I do agree with what you are saying about him. Earl's experience, in particular his anticipation as to where the play is going, is priceless. It is reasonable to expect that he can play at a Pro Bowl level for at least 2-3 more seasons. As far as him getting traded, that's something that should be Earl's call. We offer to make him the highest paid safety in the game and if that's not enough, then ask him who he wants to play for and initiate a trade.
I'm not sure if keeping Sherman is a must. We'll have to see how he recovers from his Achilles injury.
I have a feeling that this is gonig to be an interesting offseason. It's already started with a bang with all the coaching changed.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You see our points per game without Sherm? It wasn't pretty. Having a shutdown corner on one side of the field makes playing defense much, much easier.
Largent80 wrote:I don't think he's not going to have a problem. You don't hear anything about it and thats a good thing.
RiverDog wrote:Oh, I agree completely....if Sherman makes a full recovery, I want to keep him. But an Achilles injury is a real dicey problem. We'll have to wait and see how he responds.
Aseahawkfan wrote:From what I heard, Achilles injuries usually heal back stronger. Let him fully rest and heal. We can survive until he gets back.
Largent80 wrote:Nobody gave Graham a chance to recover from an injury that is historic in it's attrition rate, but yet he did.
I think Sherm will be ok.
RiverDog wrote:They have mixed results:
Only two-thirds of National Football League players ever come back (from a ruptured Achilles), and those who do find their performance significantly affected. But research suggests a prodromal period may offer opportunities for early intervention.
http://lermagazine.com/article/return-t ... on-rupture
I'll have to qualify that article by saying that it was done back in 2010, so maybe they've improved on those odds. WebMD says that 80% of patients return to normal activities, including sports...but I doubt that all 80% could perform well enough to withstand the rigors of professional sports.
I also read that a full, complete recovery could take up to a year.
That's one reason why I think Sherman will be back, because there's no way anyone is going to be stupid enough to roll the dice and give us anything of value in exchange for a veteran cornerback facing those kinds of odds.
Aseahawkfan wrote:That study has a lot of holes. Small sample size of 31 players with 21 returning to play. It doesn't say what level the players played at prior to the injury or whether their games decreased due solely to the Achilles injury. It doesn't say if they were starters or special teams or what position they played. It's too weak to draw from. Suggs returned from it and played at high level as 3-4 rush LB. If Sherm were a RB, I'd be more worried. I think a DB can return easier than other positions. My friend was a sprinter and he tore both of Achilles tendons. He returned to top level sprinting after he recovered. Sherm's not taking a brutal beating like a RB. He can get his speed back and get back to it.
RiverDog wrote:I didn't present the information with the intent of countering your point, and I believe what you're saying about your friend and his Achilles repair. All I am saying is that Sherman's full recovery is not a given. I wouldn't be shocked if he made a full recovery, nor would I be shocked if he never gets back to full strength.
Sherman had another Achilles surgery, this time on his right foot. It's considered minor, probably just cleaning up some bone spurs. They're saying it's a minor setback, but a setback nonetheless.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762 ... te-carroll
Largent80 wrote:Everyone heals differently so we will just have to wait and see how he heals and responds.
NorthHawk wrote:TE's should be available in the later rounds.
The player I'm interested in is Jaylen Samuels who is a jack of all trades, but he is a good lead RB and not bad as a blocking TE to go along with some real good hands and route running. He might go earlier than the TE's because of his versatility.
I could see us taking him if he's still there later in the draft.
Of the real TE's, a couple of players not talked much about are Will Dissly and Ryan Izzo. Both are good blockers and didn't have many passes thrown to them, but when they did they didn't miss very often.
Of the RB's, and assuming we trade down, Derrius Guice looks like the type of RB Pete likes. Some people think Ronald Jones II is going to be a great back, but I'm not convinced he's the type of RB that would fit behind our OL (assuming the productivity improves only slightly). Jones would be a good or maybe great RB behind a Holmgren or one of his coaches type of Offensive lines (think Raiders with Gruden or KC who don't need a RB), but Pete seems to like more physical RBs that can deliver blows more than run around them. Later in the draft, maybe Jon Kelly from Tennessee or Darrell Williams from LSU could be candidates but they probably wouldn't be the feature RB but a change of pace.
OL was a bit of a surprise with Orlando Brown looking so bad athletically. I wonder if he really cares enough for a team to actually use a draft pick on him. On the positive side, Will Hernandez from Texas El Paso dropped around 15 lbs and was really quick and smooth. We won't have a chance getting Nelson, but Hernandez might be a better value. Isaiah Wynn wasn't at the Combine, but his play at the Sr Bowl against the best College DL showed he should be a higher pick like Hernandez.
Of the later options a player nobody seems to talk much about is Wyatt Teller from VT. He has the explosiveness with his long and vertical jumps PC/JS tend to look for. Braden Smith is another in the same range, but faster than Teller but it's quite possible they both go in the 2nd or early 3rd.
On the Defensive side, DE Josh Sweat is a great athlete with surprising quickness, but had a real bad knee injury in High School but has worked his way back. He might be someone to keep an eye on if the doctors pass him.
Shaquem Griffin is someone who would be an immediate ST player, but where he would fit would be interesting. They might see him as a situational Edge rusher or maybe a OLB or even a Safety with his speed. I could see him taking the Kam Chancellor role as an in the box Safety and intimidator over the middle in some packages. He might fall in the draft because teams might not know where exactly he fits.
Like every year, they will be looking for pass rushers and with Avril and maybe Bennett not here this year they may jump at one early if he's the guy they really like.
Largent80 wrote:[We kinda need LB and safety so Griffin is a very good option in the middle rounds. He's fast and BIG for the speed he has. Plus the heart, oh man you can't get that any other way than having one hand.
c_hawkbob wrote:He plays defense, I think his handicap is negligible. I'd absolutely spend a mid-round on him and look at moving him to safety ...
BTW Eisen says the Seahawks are the only team to interview him at the combine.
c_hawkbob wrote:He plays defense, I think his handicap is negligible. I'd absolutely spend a mid-round on him and look at moving him to safety ...
BTW Eisen says the Seahawks are the only team to interview him at the combine.
RiverDog wrote:I would think that his handicap would be less of an issue at linebacker than as a DB. Obviously he'd have about 10" or so shorter reach, a necessity if we are to ask him to cover receivers.
RiverDog wrote:I'll trust Pete's judgment on any defensive player.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest