c_hawkbob wrote:IMO republican have entirely lost any moral ground they ever had with old "Grab "em by the Pussy" carrying the banner. Talk about pure hypocrisy.
We're a fairly ruthless nation
burrrton wrote:We don't always make the wisest choices, but if we were a truly ruthless nation, the world would know it.
I love America, but I've spent time to learn what we're up to with our foreign policy decisions.
Largent80 wrote:Dude you preach about Hillary in a negative way but face it, She has leadership capabilities and DIGNITY.
Rump is rump, and HAS ZERO BUSINESS BEING PRESIDENT AND MAY KILL US ALL.
NorthHawk wrote:You will find in history that powerful nations often used their military as an "enforcement arm" of foreign policy.
That often led to abuses and contempt from the nations that suffered from it.
burrrton wrote:Oh, so YOU'RE the one! Well let me defer to you since you've obviously done some reading unlike everyone else.
When a person claims we're not ruthless when you can literally read historical example after historical example of America being ruthless, then I have to question how well read they are.
burrrton wrote:Question it all you want, chief. I didn't just start paying attention to this yesterday, but you go ahead and keep thinking you've got the market on reality cornered.
Here's another little reality bite for you: we could literally take anything we want on this planet right now. Picking an example almost at random, that we pay $3/gal for gas right now should be all the proof you need- we could make the entire country of Iraq an extension of the US oil industry tomorrow. You know why we don't? Because we aren't behaving ruthlessly.
We have been, and continue to be, the greatest force for good this planet has ever seen. We make mistakes, but that doesn't change the facts on the ground.
This is a dull conversation. See ya.
Largent80 wrote:Dude you preach about Hillary in a negative way but face it, She has leadership capabilities and DIGNITY.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:I never saw that before cool! That's not why I am posting today though.
I came to post a RARE PROP (I can't believe I saying this) to Donald J. Trump. It appears that he has actually REAL PROGRESS in our conflict with North Korea by doing something that has eluded every previous president since the 1950's.
He has actually convinced China's new Emperor XI that it is in HIS (and therefore China's) interest that North Korea dismantle their nuclear weapon program. That is a first, because the one thing that has united N. Korea and China is that they both want the U.S.A. to leave the Korean Peninsula, that ain't gonna happen! This is a problem that has been festering for more than 50 years.
IF (and that's a BIG IF) this bears fruit and XI actually follows through and North Korea really does dismantle their nuclear weapons program then it would be a foreign policy success that eluded the last several presidents. Because, up until now, it has been China's policy to use the hermit kingdom as a stick to poke and aggravate us. N. Korea has been a proxy, a very successful proxy in forcing us to spend billions of dollars in the region that could have been spent else where, or maybe not at all.
I hear, as I write about all of the issues Trump has not brought up with XI like Intellectual Property theft, Human Rights, South China Sea Island building etc... Yes, all of those things ARE important but lets NOT throw out the baby with the bath water. If Trump would have pressed ALL of those issues he would NOT have been able to get XI to agree that the denuclearization of N. Korea is in HIS (and by extension, China's) best interest.
The ONE THING China (and therefore XI) doesn't want is for both South Korea AND Japan to build and/or purchase their own nuclear weapons. From what I understand, for both Japan and South Korea they could have a credible nuclear bomb arsenal in LESS THAN ONE YEAR. Sometimes you have to "strike while the iron is hot" (remember shop?) and Japan having a more militant leader in Abe is just the type of leader in Japan that is needed to counter Chinese aggression. The "threat" to go nuclear by Japan and South Korea had to be credible or Xi would just ignore it as an empty threat, so, Xi can't ignore Abe because he means business and won't be pushed around by China.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Nothing will happen with North Korean unless South Korea signs off on it.
RiverDog wrote:Unless South Korea and Japan signs off on it. Which is the way it should be. Those folks are on the front line and stand to lose the most if a war to ever break out, although it's important to note that we have tens of thousands of American citizens in both countries.
I'm not as worried about North Korea's sabre rattling as much as I am the Russians.
rocket wrote:
Hilda-Bear is a demon with a pointed tail and a bifurcated tongue and she eats small mammals whole and alive.
Dignity. Dude, be real.
I hate Donaldo Trumpet, but Jesus... and, for the record, I didn't vote the Prez ticket, couldn't bring myself to vote either of those bozos.
Hi Rob...
Aseahawkfan wrote:What are you worried about the Russians for?
RiverDog wrote:Something's going on to have caused such an about face in North Korea's attitude. Ever since the Olympics this past February, they've been a lot more cooperative as highlighted by the summit meeting that's currently scheduled between Trump and Little Fatty.
I'm not about to attribute the change in heart to Trump's tough talk, but I do think that either the sanctions are starting to have an effect or China is finally starting to turn the screws on them. North Korea is poor as hell and can't afford their nuclear program.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You really bought all that BS? Kim Jong Un is playing games. This is nothing more than another ploy to make him seem like he's trying to change to make the US look like the bad guy while not actually doing anything real to change. What change did he really make? Nothing. Bunch of words and manipulation. Why did you buy it at all? I knew this guy would about face when it came time to actually put aside his nuclear ambitions. I knew he would use the same old excuses about military exercises that have been going on for years.
Why anyone even listens to the North Korean idiot is beyond me. The guy was raised to believe his family are the supreme rulers of North Korea. They shoot people that try to leave illegally, since literally no one is trying to get in. He's rumored to have killed his family members. And you're wondering what changed? He's an old world dictator drunk on his family's power. You should buy nothing he is selling until he is deposed from power or dead.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:Only COMPLETE IDIOTS believed that Kim Jon In would EVER give up his nukes under ANY circumstances. Trump has been rolled and has talked tough then caved in. Leaders around the world have taken their measure of Donald Trump and have FOUND HIM WANTING!!!
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