burrrton wrote:I guess we're blowing it up and starting over after all.
They should just trade Wagner and KJ and get it over with while they're at it.
c_hawkbob wrote:Rumor among Cowboy sources is that we're negotiating the Cowboy's 1st round pick for Earl.
https://nesn.com/2018/03/nfl-rumors-her ... mas-trade/
Largent80 wrote:I doubt the Cowpies give up their first for a 29 year old ET.
RiverDog wrote:There's only one year left on Earl's contract, which could be a problem for a team he really doesn't want to go to. IMO it's Cowboys or bust for Earl.
Hawk Sista wrote:Earl said he wouldn’t play w/o an extension. So we either pony up now and give him an extension, or get something for him. Last year - most of us were against the Sherman trade notion. Now after hindsight, it would’ve been better to get something for him than to have him just walk.
Largent80 wrote:Dallas is in cap hell and can't extend him so trading him there would be almost impossible. Cleveland has massive draft capital and money. That would suck for Earl but it is a business and that is what the players want.
c_hawkbob wrote:I said before the fit hit the shan that other than Bobby and Russ everyone was in play, but it's still tough to watch guys like Sherm and Shead go to teams like the Niners and Lions ... ugh.
mykc14 wrote:Yeah but Earl would have to agree to extend there for us to get much from the trade. That's why he actually does have a decent amount of leverage as to which teams we can trade him to. A team that is willing to give him a ton of money and us a ton of draft picks only works if ET is willing to sign an extension. My guess is that it would take a TON of money for ET to be willing to sign with a team like the Browns. Realistically there are only a handful of teams (4 or so) that are close enough to winning a SB that ET would want to go to and those teams need to have the 10 plus million in cap space and be willing to part with the draft capital required to sign him.
RiverDog wrote:Plus Earl is in the last year of his contract, so if he nixes a trade, all he has to do is play out this coming season and he's a free agent. So yea, he has a lot of leverage.
mykc14 wrote:The Hawks could still F-tag him for at least another year. This year's S F-tag price was 11.6 mil, which is only a little over 1 mil more than he is making next year. The Hawks don't have to settle for trading him this year and expecting nothing. Another thing to think about is they can keep him for a year or two and still get a 3rd round comp pick when he signs elsewhere in Free Agency, so there is no real point (unless you don't want his salary) in giving him up for anything less than a #1 or multiple #2's. ET has a lot of leverage but the Hawks also have a lot of control. ET's control comes from the fact that he basically gets to choose where he goes (only a team that can re-sign him is going to trade what would be required to get him and he's only going to re-sign with a team he wants to go to). The Hawks have time. They can easily control him for 2 more years which could cost him a lot of money. Imagine him getting traded this year and signing a new deal at 29 compared to having to wait 2 years and sign a new deal at 31. It seems like that would cost him a lot of money, plus the F-tag is actually going to pay him less than he would make in the open market. He stands to lose a lot of money if he isn't resigned this off-season and the Hawks F-tag him next year.
RiverDog wrote:
I forgot about the F-tag, but IMO it's not a good option. If Earl wants to stay, he'll sign an extension. If he's unhappy and wants out, it's not going to do him or the team any good to be pissed off going through the motions while playing under the F-tag. Plus that's just one more year to risk injury or a drop off in play. His value isn't going to get any higher than it is today.
If he's unhappy and wants out, it's not going to do him or the team any good to be pissed off going through the motions while playing under the F-tag.
NorthHawk wrote:From what I recall from reading about ET and his money, he doesn't need more, but won't sacrifice his health for less than what he views as what he's worth.
The leverage is all his. He can just not play if he doesn't get the money he deems appropriate and we get nothing from it.
burrrton wrote:
Agreed, and this is what I always said about Hutchinson.
If he's here and healthy you are not going to get less than 100% effort.
mykc14 wrote:Yeah but the F-Tag is leverage for the team, plus do you really think he's going to tuck tail and pout? He would still be playing for a contract, he's going to continue to play all out. If he's here and healthy you are not going to get less than 100% effort.
RiverDog wrote:
That's a huge assumption. I would like to think that Earl would be professional enough to give it his all no matter what his off field circumstances are, but we've all seen professional athletes tuck tail and pout and none of us know what's motivating Earl or anyone else. Plus it isn't all about on field performance. It's not going to do the team any good to have an All Pro malcontent in the locker room.
mykc14 wrote:As far as his on the field production there is almost no doubt in my mind that it would not fall off. By all accounts he is an extreme competitor and I don't see any way he ever gives less than 100% on the field PLUS he would be playing for his LAST big contract. As far as locker room issues I can't say for sure that wouldn't be an issue except to say that is a small part of the gamble if you do F-tag him. Again the F-tag in this situation wouldn't be to make him play another year in Seattle as he kicks and screams, that would be the worst case scenario (still not the end of the world as he plays for you then you probably get a 3rd round comp pick). Right now the fact that the Hawks can use the F-Tag next year gives the them leverage; not that they will use it but that they can. It means that they can ask for a #1 plus something else. To me it is pretty simple:
1) Try to resign him. If we can't then...
2) Try to trade him this off-season. Ask for a ton in return (a #1 plus something else). If you don't get what you want then...
3) Have him play next year and after the season still try to resign him. If you can't then...
4) F-Tag him. Try to trade him again (now you won't get as much in return, but you know you will more than likely get a 3rd if he plays under the F-Tag and then signs somewhere else next year so you are still holding out for a #2 or maybe a #3) if you can't then...
5) He plays out the F-Tag year. After the season you allow him to leave and collect your 3rd round comp selection.
In this scenario #5 is the worst case scenario but not the end of the world. You have the top S in the game playing 2 more of his prime years in Seattle and you still get a 3rd rounder when he leaves. Of course there are risks... He could get hurt and you get nothing. He could retire and you get nothing. His play could be so terrible that you don't get that 3rd round comp pick. He could be a malcontent in the locker room. Anyone of those could happen, but the most likely scenario would be scenarios 1-4. It is very unlikely that if he plays as himself next year you wouldn't be able to get at least a 2nd or 3rd for him.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:If we can't afford a CB for 1.05 mil. then PETE WILL FAIL!!!
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