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THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby DGontheQT » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:17 am

Dicko is in for a big Rookie year , and our fans will soon see how his unique skill-set can help the Seahawks.
I was practically laughed at when suggesting this at the time of his drafting , but I hope those opinions have changed.
Arryn Siposs is one "fresh off the plane' to keep your eye on , having joined Auburn University. He kicks the absolute s*** out of it.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby RiverDog » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:24 am

DGontheQT wrote:Dicko is in for a big Rookie year , and our fans will soon see how his unique skill-set can help the Seahawks.
I was practically laughed at when suggesting this at the time of his drafting , but I hope those opinions have changed.
Arryn Siposs is one "fresh off the plane' to keep your eye on , having joined Auburn University. He kicks the absolute s*** out of it.


Dickson has been pretty impressive and I've long since gotten over my initial reaction of spending a 5th rounder on a punter, but you're way overstating his potential effect on the game. No punter, or for that matter a place kicker, is ever going to win a Rookie of the Year or MVP award. They are on the field only for about 6 plays per game, so it's pretty hard to argue that they're more valuable than a quarterback or defensive end that's on the field for ten times that amount.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:51 am

He's been impressive in good weather, but has he played in cold and wet conditions and done as well?
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby RiverDog » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:31 pm

NorthHawk wrote:He's been impressive in good weather, but has he played in cold and wet conditions and done as well?


That's a good point. Although I don't think that weather conditions would affect a punter as much as it does a place kicker, we all know that the ball travels further when the weather is warm and is easier to handle/kick when it's nice and dry.

But I do think he's going to prove to us that he was worth a 5th rounder. I just don't see him having a major impact on our W/L record.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:31 pm

A punter will never win Rookie of the Year or likely even be considered, even if he does turn out to be the greatest punter in history. He would literally have to kick amazing and do crazy stuff like run or throw for TDs and 1st downs while doing so. Not that I won't enjoy watching a great punter, but be for real. Punter not on the field enough with scoring or defensive opportunities to push for Rookie of the Year.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:51 pm

If a punter can regularly kick you out of bad field position into good field position, that's a very valuable player.
He may not make MVP in any year, but someone like that could get other personal awards like Pro Bowl invitations or All Pro designations.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby Rambo2014 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:08 pm

Yeah you gota good punter!

What does that tell ya?

PC and coaches basically throwing the towel already.

Season strategy is to play 3 and out and get off a good punt making the winning team have to go 97 yards each drive rather than 75

In the end it may make the score 24-3 and not 31-3

To bad, too sad

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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby Seahawkgal » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:08 am

I can’t believe this stupid troll is still around.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:19 pm

Seahawkgal wrote:I can’t believe this stupid troll is still around.


He's stupid alright, but not smart enough to be a troll as no one in here takes him serious, which is why he's still around because no one complains. A good troll is a guy that can talk intelligently, give backhanded compliments, use suttle ways to insult us while staying just south of the TOS so the mods can't ban him. This guy is so stupid that we get a giant belly laugh every time he posts.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby hoxgmp » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:04 pm

Can't underestimate the value of Dickson. Entire league is fascinated by his talent.

Dickson has hang-time, distance, and accuracy. That's why Schneider traded up to get him.

Jon Ryan was good but he got cut.

Dickson will be a weapon. Just watch.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby mykc14 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:46 pm

hoxgmp wrote:Can't underestimate the value of Dickson. Entire league is fascinated by his talent.

Dickson has hang-time, distance, and accuracy. That's why Schneider traded up to get him.

Jon Ryan was good but he got cut.

Dickson will be a weapon. Just watch.


Love Dickson, I can’t believe it but I actually like to watch the kid punt. He had a ‘bad’ 3rd preseason, which really wasn’t terrible. If he can consistently kick somewhere between where he was the first 3 preseason games and this one we are in really good shape at the punter position, our kicker on the other hand...
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby hoxgmp » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:05 pm

Sebas is better than Walsh. Surprised he missed couple of extra points. Don't see that as a trend.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby mykc14 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:27 am

hoxgmp wrote:Sebas is better than Walsh. Surprised he missed couple of extra points. Don't see that as a trend.


I agree he’s better than Walsh, but he hasn’t been lights out in his career either. He’s about an average to below average kicker at this point in his career and does nothing to excite me in the kicking game.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:28 am

I'm waiting to see how Dickson does in wet and cold weather.
I don't know much about the mechanics of punting other than the obvious, but if he does impart different spins on the ball to get it to bounce sideways, it sounds reasonable that he would have to hit it slightly off center.
How will that do in a wind or rain storm or frosty conditions?
I guess we'll see in a few months.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby RiverDog » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:03 pm

mykc14 wrote:I agree he’s (Janikowski) better than Walsh, but he hasn’t been lights out in his career either. He’s about an average to below average kicker at this point in his career and does nothing to excite me in the kicking game.


I agree, his career has been somewhat checkered, but I'll gladly take his performance from 2016, which includes 25 of 26 FG's from inside 50 yards and 37 of 39 XP's. He still has one of the strongest legs in the game.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby hoxgmp » Mon Sep 03, 2018 4:51 pm

Would you have picked Meyers over Sebas?

I think Brian Schneider's familiarity with Sebas was probably the deciding factor.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby mykc14 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:49 pm

hoxgmp wrote:Would you have picked Meyers over Sebas?

I think Brian Schneider's familiarity with Sebas was probably the deciding factor.



I haven’t seen either kick enough to know, but from the reporters I read about Meyers at camp I think it would have been prudent to keep him for another week... you know exactly what you are going to get from Sebass- inconsistency. Not even looking at FG’s from 50+ yards he goes back and forth every year- sometimes as high as 100% of his FG’s from under 50 and some years as low as 70%. I really don’t think, as I look over his career, he has done anything to instill confidence. His career overall numbers are also a crap shoot ranging from 91% to 66%, with 11 of his 17 years below 85%... his career FG percentage ranks 44th all-time (Blair Walsh is 29th, Dan Bailey is ranked 2nd and Housch $$$ is ranked 4th)...
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby mykc14 » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:57 pm

RiverDog wrote:
I agree, his career has been somewhat checkered, but I'll gladly take his performance from 2016, which includes 25 of 26 FG's from inside 50 yards and 37 of 39 XP's. He still has one of the strongest legs in the game.


I think we would all take those numbers. The problem is you just don’t know what your going to get: 2015- 80% on kicks less than 50, 2014: 92% on those kicks, 2013: 72% on kicks under 50... it’s just a crap shoot and the weird part is he either has good years or bad years usually- not too many in-between.
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Re: THE VALUE OF DICKSON

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:30 am

mykc14 wrote:I think we would all take those numbers. The problem is you just don’t know what your going to get: 2015- 80% on kicks less than 50, 2014: 92% on those kicks, 2013: 72% on kicks under 50... it’s just a crap shoot and the weird part is he either has good years or bad years usually- not too many in-between.


The good news is that in his most recent year, 2016, he was very good, so maybe he finally figured it out. They say that you're only as good as your last game.

Our kicking game is the least of my concerns. I didn't ascribe to the excuse that many of my fellow 12's leaned on to rationalize our mediocre performance last year in that the root of all our evils was Blair Walsh's missed FG's, so I'm not pinning my 2018 hopes for this team on the shoulders of our kicker no matter how good or bad he may be. I'm more worried about our cornerbacks and offensive line than I am our kicking.
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