Russell Wilson having career year as a passer

[Anthony]

Russell Wilson having career year as a passer

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/10/28/18036076/russell-wilson-stats-seahawks-rating-qb-nfl-ranking-2018-seattle

[NorthHawk]

Everything is in his favor to have a great year statistically.
He's in his prime, has a good run game to keep the opposing Defense honest, has good pass protection, has 6 years experience so he's seen just about everything, and there weren't many expectations for the team to start the season.
I hope he keeps it up, and like the article said he has got better as the year went on in every other year, but this years script has yet to be written. I hope the pattern follows all of his previous years.

[RiverDog]

I couldn't give two hoots in hell about Russell's stats. The only thing that matters to me is that he's been playing lights out and we're winning again.

[Anthony]

I couldn't give two hoots in hell about Russell's stats. The only thing that matters to me is that he's been playing lights out and we're winning again.

ahh do know that some of these stats go hand in hand with him playing well and winning, Pretty sure if his QB rating was, say 80 we would not be winning

[I-5]

The beautiful thing about our QB is that the less they have to ask him carry the team on the back (and he can at times as shown last year), the better both he and the team does.

[Anthony]

The beautiful thing about our QB is that the less they have to ask him carry the team on the back (and he can at times as shown last year), the better both he and the team does.

It's a great thing to have a QB that can carry you as we do, but can also put you in the right position all the time, while still getting it done with limited attempts. Some QB can't do it without a lot of attempts (luck), others can handle a lot of attempts, ours can do it any way we need it.

[RiverDog]

ahh do know that some of these stats go hand in hand with him playing well and winning, Pretty sure if his QB rating was, say 80 we would not be winning

As a rule, they go hand-in-hand, but not always. For example, Russell had some dang good stats vs. the Rams this season but we still lost.

But your point is well taken, so I'll amend my statement to say that only as it applies to us winning football games do I give a rip about Russell's stats.

[curmudgeon]

The only stat that matters is the last team standing......

[burrrton]

The only stat that matters is the last team standing......

This. Literally the only thing I care about is W-L. If I was a genie and I could construct a season in which every contract player put up career lows and the team went 16-0, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

It doesn't work that way, of course, so I don't lament good statistical seasons, but let's be clear: outrageous statistical seasons when the team is mediocre only makes it harder for franchises to get better.

[Anthony]

This. Literally the only thing I care about is W-L. If I was a genie and I could construct a season in which every contract player put up career lows and the team went 16-0, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

It doesn't work that way, of course, so I don't lament good statistical seasons, but let's be clear: outrageous statistical seasons when the team is mediocre only makes it harder for franchises to get better.

Agreed that usually means one player is having to do too much like us last year and still we were a good FG kicker form the playoffs.

[The POPE]

Russell will have a career year as a passer as long as the run game holds up. If the run game goes away at any point so does the career passing year. The success of the passing game is dependent upon the success of the running game. 1st 2 games = 0-2 with virtually no running game. Games 3-7 running game appears, passer rating goes up, record = 4-1. It’s not rocket science, for optimism passer rating the run game has to be spot on. Guess that’s why football is considered a team sport.

The pope

[idhawkman]

Russell will have a career year as a passer as long as the run game holds up. If the run game goes away at any point so does the career passing year. The success of the passing game is dependent upon the success of the running game. 1st 2 games = 0-2 with virtually no running game. Games 3-7 running game appears, passer rating goes up, record = 4-1. It’s not rocket science, for optimism passer rating the run game has to be spot on. Guess that’s why football is considered a team sport.

The pope

I don't have enough time to look up the actual stats this morning but Cbob and I have pointed out pretty clearly that the key this year is Fluker. He was missing the first two games this season. Our record 0-2. With him in the lineup our record is 4-1 (and frankly should have been 5-0). The rush yards, ToP and QB ratings I'm sure reflect similar stats between the first two games and the last 5.

I know Anthony wants it to all hinge on RW but in reality RW's success hinges on Fluker's ability to stay on the field.

[NorthHawk]

I wonder how much additional help Fant is by playing TE.
Adding that much beef to the right side along with Fluker and Ifedi instead of just a regular TE makes it a real road grader Offense at times.
They just have to get him a completion or two to really concern/confuse opposing Defenses.

[Anthony]

Russell will have a career year as a passer as long as the run game holds up. If the run game goes away at any point so does the career passing year. The success of the passing game is dependent upon the success of the running game. 1st 2 games = 0-2 with virtually no running game. Games 3-7 running game appears, passer rating goes up, record = 4-1. It’s not rocket science, for optimism passer rating the run game has to be spot on. Guess that’s why football is considered a team sport.

The pope

Ahh that is not true last year with no run game he had a great year and was in the MVP hunt for most of it. Led the league in TDs, made up over 80% of our total yards, and over 95% of total TD both things no other QB has ever done so sorry wrong.

[Anthony]

I don't have enough time to look up the actual stats this morning but Cbob and I have pointed out pretty clearly that the key this year is Fluker. He was missing the first two games this season. Our record 0-2. With him in the lineup our record is 4-1 (and frankly should have been 5-0). The rush yards, ToP and QB ratings I'm sure reflect similar stats between the first two games and the last 5.

I know Anthony wants it to all hinge on RW but in reality RW's success hinges on Fluker's ability to stay on the field.

Ahh I agree Fluker has been huge, not just in the run game but in the passing game as well. Does not take away from what Wilson is doing or did last year with no run game at all.

[Anthony]

I wonder how much additional help Fant is by playing TE.
Adding that much beef to the right side along with Fluker and Ifedi instead of just a regular TE makes it a real road grader Offense at times.
They just have to get him a completion or two to really concern/confuse opposing Defenses.

I agree and still think Fant will catch a TD at some point.

[The POPE]

Ahh that is not true last year with no run game he had a great year and was in the MVP hunt for most of it. Led the league in TDs, made up over 80% of our total yards, and over 95% of total TD both things no other QB has ever done so sorry wrong.[/quote]


“Ahh” (wtf is the thing starting every reply wit Ahh)? Anyway Mr statistician, Wilson 2017 no running game passer rating 95.4. That was 10th best in the league (good considering the circumstances, but not Elite). This year with a run game 112.8, 6th best in the league. Alex Smith was #1 last year, so stats are deceiving. Keep running the ball and Russ May get that Stat title you crave. Run game goes away and he’ll just be above average, or at least that’s what the stats say.

Pope out

[RiverDog]

“Ahh” (wtf is the thing starting every reply wit Ahh)? Anyway Mr statistician, Wilson 2017 no running game passer rating 95.4. That was 10th best in the league (good considering the circumstances, but not Elite). This year with a run game 112.8, 6th best in the league. Alex Smith was #1 last year, so stats are deceiving. Keep running the ball and Russ May get that Stat title you crave. Run game goes away and he’ll just be above average, or at least that’s what the stats say.

Pope out

Very true. Another example is that Eli Manning is currently the 4th ranked QB in terms of total yardage yet the Giants are 1-7. Ryan Fitzpatrick has a better rating and better yards per attempt than Russell. Derek Carr has a better completion percentage. All play for teams with losing records, in particular Manning and Carr.

All told, Russell ranks 24th in completion percentage, 6th in yards per attempt, 6th in QB rating, and 27th in yards per game (the other stats, such as total yards, are cumulative and do not account for bye weeks). Not sure if I'd want to take those stats with me to the HOF induction ceremony.

But as I said, all I care about is winning football games, and Russell has IMO played magnificently during the past 5 games and one of the major factors in our turn around.

[Anthony]

“Ahh” (wtf is the thing starting every reply wit Ahh)? Anyway Mr statistician, Wilson 2017 no running game passer rating 95.4. That was 10th best in the league (good considering the circumstances, but not Elite). This year with a run game 112.8, 6th best in the league. Alex Smith was #1 last year, so stats are deceiving. Keep running the ball and Russ May get that Stat title you crave. Run game goes away and he’ll just be above average, or at least that’s what the stats say.

Pope out

Once again you said "The success of the passing game is dependent upon the success of the running game. " that is clearly wrong and you partially pointed out once again top 10 Qb rating, however you left out most td passes, First QB to account for over 80% of offensive yards, first QB to account for over 95% of offensive TDs, Top 10 in passing yards, top 2 in total yards, I can go on and on. There was no run game and he performed just fine and we had a top 10 passing game and again a decent FG from the playoffs. So like I said wrong.

[Anthony]

Very true. Another example is that Eli Manning is currently the 4th ranked QB in terms of total yardage yet the Giants are 1-7. Ryan Fitzpatrick has a better rating and better yards per attempt than Russell. Derek Carr has a better completion percentage. All play for teams with losing records, in particular Manning and Carr.

All told, Russell ranks 24th in completion percentage, 6th in yards per attempt, 6th in QB rating, and 27th in yards per game (the other stats, such as total yards, are cumulative and do not account for bye weeks). Not sure if I'd want to take those stats with me to the HOF induction ceremony.

But as I said, all I care about is winning football games, and Russell has IMO played magnificently during the past 5 games and one of the major factors in our turn around.

I do not disagree with your point but that was not Popes. HIs point was no run game no passing game which is untrue. In fact, we had a top 10 pass game last year and again with a good FG kicker, we make the playoffs.

Right now Wilson is 24th in yards, 14th in complt%, 6th in Yards per attempt, 6th in TDs, 6th in Qb rating which is nothing to sneeze at. He is giving us what we need.

[The POPE]

Blah, blah, blah...bottom line is Russell is a Much better QB when he has the support of the run game. That can be said for 99.9% of QB’s in the NFL. The only stats that matter are W’s and L’s. Russell could be the #1 QB in the NFL and the hawks could be 0-7.
Anthony, It’s pretty obvious you could give a sh!t less what the team record is as long as Russ puts up his numbers. So are you a fan of the team or just a Russell fan?

Respectfully,

The Pope

[Anthony]

Blah, blah, blah...bottom line is Russell is a Much better QB when he has the support of the run game. That can be said for 99.9% of QB’s in the NFL. The only stats that matter are W’s and L’s. Russell could be the #1 QB in the NFL and the hawks could be 0-7.
Anthony, It’s pretty obvious you could give a sh!t less what the team record is as long as Russ puts up his numbers. So are you a fan of the team or just a Russell fan?

Respectfully,

The Pope

Blah blah what are you Count Chocula LOL So now you are changing your tune figures. FYI I have been a Seahawks fan since day one, so don't question if I want them to win, the difference is I see the better Wilson the QB plays the better our chances of winning, Something you still don't get. I have no problem saying he plays better with a run game, the same can be said for every QB in the league but that is not what you said. you said "The success of the passing game is dependent upon the success of the running game. " which wrong as has been proven with facts.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't have enough time to look up the actual stats this morning but Cbob and I have pointed out pretty clearly that the key this year is Fluker. He was missing the first two games this season. Our record 0-2. With him in the lineup our record is 4-1 (and frankly should have been 5-0). The rush yards, ToP and QB ratings I'm sure reflect similar stats between the first two games and the last 5.

I know Anthony wants it to all hinge on RW but in reality RW's success hinges on Fluker's ability to stay on the field.


idhawkman

Respectfully disagree, Seattle change in success didn't hinge on Fluker being on the field, but running a balanced offense, which for whatever reason didn't occur in the first two games ( for examples look at the carries to passing ratio, which in the first two games, BOTH winnable games, was somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% pass, despite success running the ball with Carson, and anemic carries for Davis. In Chicago, Carson didn't even touch the ball the entire second half).

I won't claim Fluker hasn't helped, but a severe shift in not only play selection, but whom is garnering those carries is an enormous shift from the first two winnable games.

I pointed out the success Carson was having ( which was incredible at the time that it didn't garner true #1 touches) and imho cost Seattle two incredibly close games.

[RiverDog]

I do not disagree with your point but that was not Popes. HIs point was no run game no passing game which is untrue. In fact, we had a top 10 pass game last year and again with a good FG kicker, we make the playoffs.

Right now Wilson is 24th in yards, 14th in complt%, 6th in Yards per attempt, 6th in TDs, 6th in Qb rating which is nothing to sneeze at. He is giving us what we need.

One of the Pope's points, the one I was agreeing with, was that stats can be extremely deceiving. I'm also disagreeing with your point that Russell is having such a great year statistically, which he is not, at least not when you compare him to other QB's around the league, and that's fine by me. IMO he's playing some of the best football of his career and we're winning games due in no small part to his improved play (he sucked in our first two games).

And as far as your point about our missed FG's last season, there are a lot of teams that can point to a penalty here, a turnover there, a special teams break down, a bad call by a ref, or a poor coaching decision as being the difference between playoffs and staying home. We missed a FG this season that could have earned us another win when Seabass missed a very makeable 46 yarder on a warm day in Denver's thin air. Point being that arguing that we missed the playoffs due to our FG kicker is a line straight out of Excuse Making 101.

[c_hawkbob]

I actually think Russell has been the constant and the variations in his personal statistics is reflective of the team around him. Last year he was a greater percentage of our offensive production because he had to be. And he had lower ratings numbers because he was so harassed and didn't have a run game to sustain drives for him. This year he doesn't have the percentages of total team yards and TD's because we've got such a productive running game and our O-line is finally stout in pass pro as well as being road grater for our rushing attack.

So many are assuming the difference is how Russ himself is playing, I say he is who he is and differences are a product of the team around him.

[The POPE]

The point is that a team with a successful running game will have a much easier time throwing the ball (if they have a good QB...and the Hawks do) since the defense can not key on only stopping the passing game. D coordinators hate to have to play honest, if given a choice they will take the easy way out. The success of the passing game improves exponentially when the run games is clicking. Success in the run game dictates coverages, blitzes, and defensive formations. So yes in the Hawks case the run game sets up the pass game. With it, the success rate is much higher.
Tried it the other way around last year and the results were not good overall.. as in W’s & L’s. In the end that’s all that matters.

Pope out

[NorthHawk]

The point is that a team with a successful running game will have a much easier time throwing the ball (if they have a good QB...and the Hawks do) since the defense can not key on only stopping the passing game. D coordinators hate to have to play honest, if given a choice they will take the easy way out. The success of the passing game improves exponentially when the run games is clicking. Success in the run game dictates coverages, blitzes, and defensive formations. So yes in the Hawks case the run game sets up the pass game. With it, the success rate is much higher.
Tried it the other way around last year and the results were not good overall.. as in W’s & L’s. In the end that’s all that matters.

Pope out

Correct.
One dimensional Offenses rarely succeed.
I suppose there might be some exceptions over the years, but it's not common.

[Anthony]

I actually think Russell has been the constant and the variations in his personal statistics is reflective of the team around him. Last year he was a greater percentage of our offensive production because he had to be. And he had lower ratings numbers because he was so harassed and didn't have a run game to sustain drives for him. This year he doesn't have the percentages of total team yards and TD's because we've got such a productive running game and our O-line is finally stout in pass pro as well as being road grater for our rushing attack.

So many are assuming the difference is how Russ himself is playing, I say he is who he is and differences are a product of the team around him.

Agreed he is a Qb who can give what is needed, and while some of his numbers are down, yards, he is a bigger part of what is happening than the stats, Ie changing plays a lot, moving the Rb a lot. The point that started this was the without the run game we would have no passing game which is untrue. My point on stats and such is we need our QB to give us we need and the better he plays, the better our chances of winning.

[HumanCockroach]

Exactly what I was pointing out in Denver and Chicago... defenses play tendacies, and Seattle in the first two games played right in to their hands throwing the ball like that were the Saints or Packers of a couple seasons ago.

Make the defense play honest, opens up success to every player on the offense, QB, Receiver, TE, line... all of em. Doesn't take a scientist to figure it out, disappointed it took Seattle as long as it did to figure it out.

[RiverDog]

Exactly what I was pointing out in Denver and Chicago... defenses play tendacies, and Seattle in the first two games played right in to their hands throwing the ball like that were the Saints or Packers of a couple seasons ago.

Make the defense play honest, opens up success to every player on the offense, QB, Receiver, TE, line... all of em. Doesn't take a scientist to figure it out, disappointed it took Seattle as long as it did to figure it out.

You mean that several of us were pointing it out in Denver and Chicago.

You could do yourself a world of good if you would stop suggesting that you're the only one that adapts a position such as the problems with the Seahawk offense in our first two games this season. smh.

[HumanCockroach]

Whatever RD, don't really care if others were pointing it out or not, you could do your self a world of good by not taking everything said as a personal slight. Smh.

Is anything I said in that post inaccurate or untrue? Did I attack anyone? Insult them? No? Yet you FOUND a way to take offense. I simply don't care anymore if anyone likes how I post, considering the ridiculous amount of ridicule and insults I've weathered on this board, I'm past worrying about sensitive feelings, or people that insist I'm saying things I haven't, or believe things I don't.

In essence, don't throw stones from glass houses there RD. You aren't exempt from making inaccurate statements, at least mine IS actually true.

[Anthony]

"Russell Wilson makes Seahawks history with perfect passer rating" "According to the Seattle Seahawks, their quarterback posted the first perfect quarterback rating in franchise history. Lots of credit to the oline as well which is well deserved

https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-seaha ... 123986191/

[RiverDog]

Whatever RD, don't really care if others were pointing it out or not, you could do your self a world of good by not taking everything said as a personal slight. Smh.

Is anything I said in that post inaccurate or untrue? Did I attack anyone? Insult them? No? Yet you FOUND a way to take offense. I simply don't care anymore if anyone likes how I post, considering the ridiculous amount of ridicule and insults I've weathered on this board, I'm past worrying about sensitive feelings, or people that insist I'm saying things I haven't, or believe things I don't.

In essence, don't throw stones from glass houses there RD. You aren't exempt from making inaccurate statements, at least mine IS actually true.

I didn't take offense nor were my feelings hurt, and you're right, you didn't attack anyone. But several of us have pointed out to you that you have this knack for rubbing others the wrong way by constantly implying that you're so much smarter than the rest of us fools, and your musing above, if read a certain way, can give a person the impression that you think that you were the only one who made that very astute observation when in fact several of us have mentioned it as well. That's assuming that you've read what some of the regulars in here been saying about the subject.

I was merely making a suggestion as to how you might be able to rub off a corner or two so as to cause less friction. JMHO, so take it for what it's worth.

[HumanCockroach]

I honestly don't care any longer if people read it a certain way, people take what I've actually said and bastardize it. If people decide to take what I say out of context, or decide to read between lines that isn't my intent, doesn't matter to me one bit.

I'm not sure when the assumption I was insulting people on every post occurred, nor do I care any longer. I'm done explaining my opinions and positions to people who feel it necessary to add context, or make false claims about what I put on a Seahawks board, or insult me for saying it.

If that makes me a jerk, whatever, I don't hold responsibility to make sure everything I post meets everyone's approval and doesn't leave anything open to interpretation ( wrong interpretation). How somebody reads something, or if they decide to add false meaning isn't my issue, as such, they are welcome to continue to claim I say things, I don't.

Should make many of you very happy, as you can continue to claim everything that doesn't coincide with your opinion as just another insult.