savvyman wrote:I think what happened to RGIII last year has really affected the decision making for NFL teams on not rushing your elite players back to the game until they have completely healed. Look how long the Packers are taking with Rodgers.
Percy Harvin is an elite player.
However, so far to date this trade has been a complete bust for us.
RiverDog wrote:I don't want to see Percy coming back this season. I want to win the SB without him. He has contributed absolutely nothing to our 12-2 record and inside track to HFA, except for one pass reception and one KO return in a single blowout win over a non playoff team. All he has been is a huge distraction that keeps someone more deserving off the roster. It would be a huge injustice for someone like Steve Largent to toil away for over a decade and never get a ring then see someone like Percy Harvin get awarded one for not doing Jack chit.
Hawkstar wrote:Percy would certainly open up the game for Lynch in the early going. It's crazy how long it takes our O to get cranked up.
Anthony wrote:Hawkstar wrote:Percy would certainly open up the game for Lynch in the early going. It's crazy how long it takes our O to get cranked up.
Not sure if having Percy would change the slow starts, I think it is more about play calling than anything. The OC seems to play it very very safe and conservative at first and then only opens it up if need be.
RiverDog wrote:Anthony wrote:Hawkstar wrote:Percy would certainly open up the game for Lynch in the early going. It's crazy how long it takes our O to get cranked up.
Not sure if having Percy would change the slow starts, I think it is more about play calling than anything. The OC seems to play it very very safe and conservative at first and then only opens it up if need be.
Agreed. We always seem to open up by running the ball and throwing little short dump off passes. It's not a bad strategy. Kinda hard to argue against it when we're 12-2. I'm OK with Bevell's play calling.
RiverDog wrote:I don't want to see Percy coming back this season. I want to win the SB without him. He has contributed absolutely nothing to our 12-2 record and inside track to HFA, except for one pass reception and one KO return in a single blowout win over a non playoff team. All he has been is a huge distraction that keeps someone more deserving off the roster. It would be a huge injustice for someone like Steve Largent to toil away for over a decade and never get a ring then see someone like Percy Harvin get awarded one for not doing Jack chit.
yoder wrote:Percy reminds me of my friends BMW M5. I could never afford one (and I'm more than happy with my '86 Toyota Pickup), but he did let me drive it a few weeks ago. Oh man, it was one hell of a sweet ride. The faster you go, the better it handled the road. I've never driven a car with so much power, speed and authority.
The only downside, they've had it in the shop 3 times within the last 2 months.
I love my truck.
Oly wrote:RiverDog wrote:I don't want to see Percy coming back this season. I want to win the SB without him. He has contributed absolutely nothing to our 12-2 record and inside track to HFA, except for one pass reception and one KO return in a single blowout win over a non playoff team. All he has been is a huge distraction that keeps someone more deserving off the roster. It would be a huge injustice for someone like Steve Largent to toil away for over a decade and never get a ring then see someone like Percy Harvin get awarded one for not doing Jack chit.
I can see where you're coming from, but if he can contribute in the SB then I'm fine with him getting the ring. Even if the Hawks were unbeaten going in to the SB, they still need to win that game, and if Percy contributes in the SB then he flat out deserves the ring, IMO.
That said, I don't feel frustrated with him at all for missing time--that's just part of a physical game--so it's probably easier for me to have this opinion than if I was also frustrated with his season.
Hawktawk wrote:I'm beginning to think PC is just playing OKEYDOKE with the rest of the league, rope a dope. Teams are going to see Harvin in crunch time, and they might be seeing Christine Micheal a lot more too. Just a hunch. I've been ragging on Harvin all year. I think Ill develop a more positive approach. Seahawks don't rebuild, they reload.
HawkWow wrote:This appears to be an intelligent discussion regarding Percy Harvin.
What planet did I wake up on this time?
Anthony wrote:Hawkstar wrote:Percy would certainly open up the game for Lynch in the early going. It's crazy how long it takes our O to get cranked up.
Not sure if having Percy would change the slow starts, I think it is more about play calling than anything. The OC seems to play it very very safe and conservative at first and then only opens it up if need be.
HumanCockroach wrote:Anthony wrote:Hawkstar wrote:Percy would certainly open up the game for Lynch in the early going. It's crazy how long it takes our O to get cranked up.
Not sure if having Percy would change the slow starts, I think it is more about play calling than anything. The OC seems to play it very very safe and conservative at first and then only opens it up if need be.
I personally think he makes a bigger impact for the other receivers than Lynch, that said, they certainly cannot load the box with Percy on the field.... His impact is hard to see to the untrained eye, but anyone that paid attention in the Minnesota game with him running short digs and crossing routes saw how much he opened up the down field passing game.. Safeties have to make choices, and Harvin coming across the middle is going to be the automatic choice everytime over Baldwin streaking down the sideline. Honestly, I feel like him being on the field benefits Tate and Lockette ( yeah the guy that seldom see's the field) the most.
Lynch IMO will get a residual boost, but the other receivers IMO will see a LOT more open space.......
Steady_Hawk wrote:HawkWow wrote:This appears to be an intelligent discussion regarding Percy Harvin.
What planet did I wake up on this time?
That's what's so exciting about this new forum. A place where Trolls will not take hold and a great group of people who welcome a healthy discussion. Good to see you here!
RiverDog wrote:Steady_Hawk wrote:HawkWow wrote:This appears to be an intelligent discussion regarding Percy Harvin.
What planet did I wake up on this time?
That's what's so exciting about this new forum. A place where Trolls will not take hold and a great group of people who welcome a healthy discussion. Good to see you here!
10-4. If I were to make a statement anywhere near that of some of those made in this thread over in Forum X, I would have spent the rest of my cyber life defending it and forever branded a hater.
Back to Harvin. It sure sounds like they are getting ready to shut him down. There's absolutely nothing that an optimist can hang his hat on.
Zorn76 wrote:It ain't lookin' good for Percy this year, is it.
If at all possible, but especially in the playoffs, it'd be great to see him out there, if only as a decoy on a few plays. Anything extra we have to create just a shred of doubt in the opponent and their D coordinator would help. I understand, though, that we may not even have him activated for a game unless he can contribute more than that.
RiverDog wrote:Percy Harvin, if nothing else, has become a great gauge in separating the football fan from the Seahawk fan. When you get a poster with 8,000 posts, dating back to 2007, commenting that he has "never heard of Harvin having character issues (and) anyone that says he has is lying", you know you've found a person you don't want to discuss football with. Or the weather, for that matter.
Boy, no kidding. I wish people would do a little bit of research about a player before they blindly defend him, Seahawk or no Seahawk. Whether you agree with the trade or not, you'd be an ignoramus if you didn't admit that Harvin's character issues made him a significant risk. When I tried to point out the risk the guy put himself and our team in when he got himself arrested for suspicion of DUI last spring, some jack wagon would start arguing about semantics, saying that since he was not charged I shouldn't be going around saying that he was arrested, as if the incident never happened.
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