Aseahawkfan wrote:Giuliani has so many terrible pictures and videos that he's become the equivalent of Grima Wormtongue to Trump's Saruman. You almost picture Rudy sitting at Trump's feet like a twisted sycophant completely in Trump's power as Trump pet's his head and tells Rudy, "You've done well, Rudy. Trump will take care of you, don't worry." Rudy seems pathetic.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't get it. When I look at Trump I see a wealthy, narcissist salesman doing all of this for his own glorification. He likes the adulation and being the center of attention. His companies and friends are making tons of money off the tax cuts. He hired a bunch of swamp monster sycophants to help him and even some of them couldn't stand him in the end. Now he's engaging in underhanded, win at all costs attempts to overturn an election by seeding faithless electors into the electoral college. The people I know truly believe that the election was stolen by the Democrats with no evidence other than a handful of stories that aren't corroborated. Pretty nuts.
Aseahawkfan wrote:It's these fricking lockdowns near as I can tell. My buddies normally would be too busy with their lives to care about politics to this level. But they're all stuck in their houses, everything closed down, watching the news as it politicizes everything being driven into a tizzy with nowhere to unleash all that pent up energy. If the country continues these lockdowns too much longer, some bad things are going to happen in my opinion. People are really going to start losing their minds.
Hawktawk wrote:another gem from Guliani
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1833085/ru ... g-gesture/
They made the pandemic what it is, not the other way around.
Hawktawk wrote:Its the trump effect. Its a cult. I've said it for weeks now. If you support what trump is doing at this point you have a death wish for yourself, for me, for america, for the world. You just dont realize it. Its a cult far more deadly than Jonestown. Its making the pandemic worse but Trumps trump and his supporters are who they are and they would be acting no different after these election results. They made the pandemic what it is, not the other way around.
Another great example of the Trump effect was R senator James Lankford who said mid week of 2 weeks ago that if Trump had not begun handing over intelligence by that Friday he would "step in". I've really not heard a peep out of him since, he didn't step in and that was supposed to happen 8 days ago.Bidens getting private briefings and having to fundraise to staff and transition .Last i checked Langford still hasn't congratulated Biden or accepted he's won. I wonder how much dirt trump has on him.
Hawktawk wrote:Its the trump effect. Its a cult. I've said it for weeks now. If you support what trump is doing at this point you have a death wish for yourself, for me, for america, for the world. You just dont realize it. Its a cult far more deadly than Jonestown. Its making the pandemic worse but Trumps trump and his supporters are who they are and they would be acting no different after these election results. They made the pandemic what it is, not the other way around.
Another great example of the Trump effect was R senator James Lankford who said mid week of 2 weeks ago that if Trump had not begun handing over intelligence by that Friday he would "step in". I've really not heard a peep out of him since, he didn't step in and that was supposed to happen 8 days ago.Bidens getting private briefings and having to fundraise to staff and transition .Last i checked Langford still hasn't congratulated Biden or accepted he's won. I wonder how much dirt trump has on him.
Hawktawk wrote:Its the trump effect. Its a cult. I've said it for weeks now. If you support what trump is doing at this point you have a death wish for yourself, for me, for america, for the world. You just dont realize it. Its a cult far more deadly than Jonestown. Its making the pandemic worse but Trumps trump and his supporters are who they are and they would be acting no different after these election results. They made the pandemic what it is, not the other way around.
RiverDog wrote:The Jonestown analogy is a bit over the top, but I essentially agree that it's a cult for those considered hard core followers. Some of those people are as nuts as the flat Earthers. There's no way that a normal, straight thinking person can believe some of the outright lies that Trump tells. But I don't think that Trump could talk those people out of everything they own the way Jim Jones did.
It will be interesting to see what happens on January 21st. There's talk of Trump starting his own news network. It would be interesting to see the list of potential advertisers. Schmidt Beer?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Have you read critical race theory that is an accepted theory by a good number of Democrats? Or intersectionality? That is leftist crazy. I can't believe what Americans buy into nowadays on both sides. The out there theories, distrust, and the like is looney.
Aseahawkfan wrote:America is a clown show right now. You can literally find an "expert" to prove almost anyone's side of an argument. Not sure how you find truth in a situation like that.
I have not lived in an America that did not have enemies and fear sold to us on a constant basis even as we are generally considered the only remaining superpower and the strongest nation in the world spending more on a military than any other nation. It would be impossible to justify such military spending if we did not keep Americans fearing the boogeyman.
NorthHawk wrote:There's another phenomena out there as well that the person who is being scammed is often the most ardent supporter of the scammer. Many have gone so far up the Trump Tree that they can't justify to themselves or face others and admit they're being duped.
Hawktawk wrote:Driving through moses Lake today I passed 4 churches which are allowed 25% capacity. One was apparently closed with an empty parking lot. 2 appeared compliant based on their sparsely populated parking lot.
The largest of the 4 had a car in every parking spot, probably at least 200 cars. Assuming 2 per car which is probably low just do the math there, singing and swapping saliva and likely not a mask to be found .My wife and I are cancelling thanksgiving with her parents for the first time in 30 years and these cultists are just wasting our sacrifice along with that of all the bars and restaurants etc.
Thanks Trump. Thanks evangelicals. You are responsible for these shutdowns and death at this point.
Hawktawk wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dominion-voting-systems-employee-sues-trump-campaign-allies/ar-BB1cbaFQ?ocid=msedgdhp
The Trump effect that has had outlets like Faux and Newsmaxspoting dangerous conspiracy theories is coming back to bite them now. This is an interesting suit as it likely opens up discovery to verify the accuracy of the machines . But outlets even as radical as Newsmax are backing away from their voting machine conspiracy to avoid litigation after the suit was filed.
Did you see Michael Flynn trying to justify martial law to overturn an election? WTF was that?
Aseahawkfan wrote:
Did you see Michael Flynn trying to justify martial law to overturn an election? WTF was that?
Hawktawk wrote:https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-michael-brown-josh-hawley-8d868c985792e932f9bc527ec2f2ab30
This is big news because this guy is a potential 2024 R candidate for president.Clearly he's made the political calculation that to be on the right side of Koop Koo for cocoa puffs is the best play even though he surely knows Biden has been elected. Imagine a man at a minimum going through the motions of trying to subvert the 2020 election wanting to be the next president
With freshman senator Tommy Tuberville from Alabama already indicating he will challenge it will insure a nasty long drawn out all day floor fight on Jan 6. Rep Lois Gohmert along with other members are suing Mike Pence to try to force him to refuse to certify the results in the swing states. So far he has resisted and flat out said he will not do it but who knows. Either way it is not winnable supposedly but these miserable excuses for human beings dragging this country through this with someone dying every 3 minutes in LOS angeles county is just evil, despicable, unamerican.
I'll tell you something, I'm no democrat but absent a third party or complete makeover of the party in a 180 direction I will sure as hell vote for democrats forever if this is what's become of the republican party.
I-5 wrote:I so wish this nightmare would end Jan 20 with Biden being sworn in. A large part of it will, but if anything the conspirational noises will just continue to grow, and if the republican party doesn't take charge of the narrative, Trump is going to take down the party with him.
I don't think Trump is looking for drama this time (although he loves drama most of the time). He's been trying to turn over every rock to see which one might result in him staying as president - and avoiding prison. I'm sure in this case, he would take any way, shape or form of avoiding what awaits him when he becomes former president Trump.
NorthHawk wrote:I think he IS in part looking for drama. It gives him an ego boost and confirms he still has power within the party.
His other goal is to continue the grift to line his pockets from donations and keep a war chest in the event he decides to
run again in 2024 or keep a major influence in the party for at least the next election cycles. I don't think he's going away
anytime soon and will probably cast a shadow in 2 years and maybe 4.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Trump is 74 years old. How much longer can he hold power like this? Not much longer unless he truly is some demon.
Be nice if some sensible politician could rise up that can bridge this gap between Americans. Most of the divide is media driven with each side finding the biggest idiot they can to wind up the other side. The media is way too powerful in this nation. They have no regard for what they do any more. They are highly political and these media demagogues are driving this divide.
RiverDog wrote:I agree, but you have to include social media in your statement as part of 'the media'. It's primarily on social media where misinformation gets started.
And I also contend that the root cause is the incredibly stupid and naïve people have become that has made them so subject to manipulation. Donald Trump can get away with telling lie after lie simply because so many people are too stupid to realize that he's full of chit.
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