Hawktawk wrote:There were shootings and stabbings in DC and also Olympia WA in the last couple days.Thousands of fringe white separatist groups have descended on DC and many are still there.
Please, give us some links so we can see what incidents you are talking about. There were a few incidents last weekend prior to the Electoral College vote, but there wasn't anything reported yesterday that I am aware of.
Please, give us some links so we can see what incidents you are talking about. There were a few incidents last weekend prior to the Electoral College vote, but there wasn't anything reported yesterday (Monday) that I am aware of.
Some of you have been talking about a possible revolution, that there's going to be blood flowing down the streets like rain water, and I simply am not seeing it.
c_hawkbob wrote:Acknowledging the possibility is not the same as saying we think it's going to happen. If you're not acknowledging the possibility (not probability, possibility) then you are just not taking all possibilities into account. That gives you no "I told you so" rights at all.
c_hawkbob wrote:Nothing in those quotes effect the veracity of what I said.
And BTW, I think for the most part acknowledgement of what is transpiring and the possible ramifications is exactly what those are. Most have a whole lot of ifs involved when speaking of what it may lead to.
Some of you have been talking about a possible revolution, that there's going to be blood flowing down the streets like rain water, and I simply am not seeing it.
I-5 wrote:I don't see it happening either, as I've said, though asf think it's possible.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Without the support of the Senate, Trump and the Republicans have no path to revolution or to force a redo of the election. My paranoia meter dropped substantially when McConnell killed any chance of the Senate forcing a crazy split. Trump can't do jacksquat without McConnell. He can whine, cry, b****, tweet, rant, and whatever he wants. If even McConnell is willing to vote to affirm the electoral vote along with the Republican whip, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, and many other Senate Republicans who won't stand with Trump's attempt at a coup, then Trump has nothing. He will be tossed out of The White House like trash if he tries to squat looking crazier than ever.
So all we have to really worry about at this point is some small group of crazies doing something violent and evil. I'm pretty sure the Secret Service and F.B.I. are all over that.
I-5 wrote:Does anyone here have any doubt left that Trump is going to try to burn the country down before/if he leaves office? This week it's a huge hack coming from Russia with not even a comment, and the new Pentagon hacks trying to slow down the transition of key info to the president elect...what will it be next week?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspected-russian-hack-was-it-epic-cyber-attack-or-spy-n1251766
I'm not sure how much is intentional and how much is due to his inattentiveness as the man truly doesn't give a rip. He's bragged about the vaccine so you would think that he'd be out there encouraging others to take it yet he hasn't said a word.
I-5 wrote:RIv, he's giving us every clue except spelling it out for us that not only does he not care about americans, but he doesn't care if Russia benefits, except going as far as to say that is his explicit intention. Does he have to produce a memo to convince you of his intentions, or do you believe everything is coincidental with him?
I believe that Trump cares about himself first, his family members second, and various other Americans third. I don't think he'd move the Russians up to the #2 or #3 spot, but who knows. All I know for sure is that #1 won't change.
I-5 wrote:Again, you're not wrong - Trump cares only about himself, then his family, and so on. But what if caring about himself first means he somehow is being leveraged by Putin? Don't you think he would choose himself over his country?
I-5 wrote:Sounds like we are all on the same page now finally....and if true, he is the ultimate traitor.
RiverDog wrote:Of course, we're only speculating. But there has to be some sort of angle between Trump and Putin/Russia.
RiverDog wrote:Of course, we're only speculating. But there has to be some sort of angle between Trump and Putin/Russia.
Aseahawkfan wrote:They're still trying to figure out what happened, what was taken, what was modified, and more importantly what we should do about it. I'm pretty sure Trump isn't helping much. This kind of stuff is clearly over his head. He's only worried about the fact he lost he election and no one is helping him hold onto the White House.
Aseahawkfan wrote:As far as I see it, Trump will leave office on January 20th. America will be fine. Trump won't have anything going on with Russia one way or the other. He'll go back to being Trump. Nothing much will come of all these allegations and attempt by the media to make Trump into a Russian puppet. They'll drop the narrative once he's gone.
RiverDog wrote:I wasn't speaking of Trump's role in the hack so much as I was his reaction to it, along with other incidents over the past 4 years where Trump has openly favored the Russians and/or Putin. Why else would he float, with absolutely no evidence to support it, this theory of his that it wasn't the Russians, it was the Chinese?
I'm going to stop short of saying that "America will be fine" come 1/20. We're in the middle of a pandemic with thousands dying each day and now I'm reading where people are ignoring advice and traveling for the holidays. By the time Inauguration Day rolls around, it could be really ugly, and Trump is the single most responsible person for this tragedy. But otherwise, I agree with you.
RiverDog wrote:I wasn't speaking of Trump's role in the hack so much as I was his reaction to it, along with other incidents over the past 4 years where Trump has openly favored the Russians and/or Putin. Why else would he float, with absolutely no evidence to support it, this theory of his that it wasn't the Russians, it was the Chinese?
Aseahawkfan wrote:Because he is against the Chinese and wants to blame everything he can on China. Trump stated he was favorable to the Russians before he entered office. He has married two women from that part of the world that were formerly aligned with Russia. He likes Eastern European and Soviet nations that aren't Muslim.
I'm going to stop short of saying that "America will be fine" come 1/20. We're in the middle of a pandemic with thousands dying each day and now I'm reading where people are ignoring advice and traveling for the holidays. By the time Inauguration Day rolls around, it could be really ugly, and Trump is the single most responsible person for this tragedy. But otherwise, I agree with you.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I'm speaking more long-term. The effects of Trump won't be felt much longer than when he leaves office. Taking a few days off and the Senate assuring America it wasn't going to send us off the rails has allowed me to regain my composure. I was starting to lose it for a minute there. If Hawktawk lives in a constant state of paranoia like I was experiencing when I thought the Senate was going to send us into Civil War, then I feel bad for him. Paranoia can be real when you have a loon like this in office taking incredibly insane measures to try to hold on to power with the support of such a sizeable percentage of the population including possibly the Senate. I'm glad the Supreme Court and Republican Senators are rational and thoughtful. These checks and balances installed by The Founders are working. Maybe the Senators are more rational and thoughtful because they have to appeal to an entire State to get elected, whereas the smaller the area you are elected in the more tolerance for crazy is allowed if crazy is the prevailing culture of the area.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Yeah. I must finally agree with you that in America Trump is the person most responsible for this level of death. His ignorance, unwillingness to take national measures, and general disregard for this virus has caused the most damage of any American given his position. I'm surprised he didn't pay a greater price for it in the polls. Which as we've debated I think has more to do with the Democrats unwillingness to admit they have a lot of terrible policies and actors that seem worse to a lot of Americans even to the point of voting for a long during a global pandemic. Doesn't seem like the Democrats see the problem with their positions and unwillingness to admit the problems inherent with them, but hey, I can't claim the Republicans are any better given this Trump Supporter showing.
Aseahawkfan wrote:But the most responsible people for this pandemic in America and worldwide are in China. Since we're going by presidents, then Xi Jinping since he heads that nation. The Communists allowing people to leave after Chinese New Year, their control of information to protect their economy, and their unwillingness to take greater measures to protect the world as well as seeming pressuring of the WHO to withhold or alter information is the single most responsible entity for this pandemic.
Hawktawk wrote:Question. What if trump declares martial law? Does the military remove him? do some of them go along? I have a hard time believing they wouldnt.
Hang in there, guy! We're one month from having our hemorrhoid removed.
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