NorthHawk wrote:My understanding is that if the House votes to impeach him, they can proceed in the Senate even after he leaves office. Sanders says that they should do so in order to send a message to any future President and that might also be an option. I have some sympathy for that idea because I think someone will take Trump's lessons and try again sometime down the road.
Hawktawk wrote:25th amendment . Impeachment will take too long and the main thing is our national Security . Trump is so toxic he will never run again . Most national security experts are terrified of the next 9 days . They know this puts us in great danger of a military foe like Russia launching almost in self defense as our cowardly politicians allow this clearly desperate deranged man to remain in command .
I-5 wrote:I myself favor the impeachment route for exactly the reasons Bernie Sanders said. It’s the most practical and the most likely. Bernie is such a good guy.
Hawktawk wrote:Pence has indeed signaled he had not ruled out the 25th amendment . Having hear the chilling “ hang mike pence “ chants from trumps thugs I am mystified why he hasn’t . Maybe he fears for his safety . That’s where we’re at.
I just read an account from a congressman who objected to the certification who said he did so out of fear for himself and what they might do to his family . It’s being reported on meet the press . I just read an account from a congressman who objected to the certification who said he did so out of fear for himself and what they might do to his family . It’s being reported on meet the press .
Not exactly on topic but even this old battle axe Trumpanzee is spreaking out now. Sorry you hag the bloods on your hands .
I-5 wrote:We are all holding our breath - we have no other choice. This guy was never going to leave of his own accord, election or not. Some of us saw it coming a long time ago, and some more recently. I hope that eventually even his strongest followers will see who he really is, but who are we kidding? Trump himself was embarrassed by his ‘low class’ supporters according to aides who watched his reaction to the riots in real time, not because of their actions, but because of how they looked. A narcissist to the end. He is that far gone.
What happened today with the revelation of Mitch McConnell's comments are extraordinary. If they are true, it could change the entire dynamics of an impeachment trial. Did that escape you guy's notice?
I-5 wrote:I would add,Trump left out any acknowledgment of his role in inciting the mob. As someone says, you can’t be the arsonist and the firefighter.
He also glaringly omitted any mention of our next lawfully elected president, because...Trump
This speech only had one goal; to convince GOP senators who are thinking of voting to impeach him to think otherwise.
Like I said, he’ll probably backtrack to his normal self by tomorrow.
RiverDog wrote:There were 10 Republican Congressmen, including my rep, Dan Newhouse, that voted to impeach Trump, along with all the Dems and independents. It's not known how long it will take the House to transmit the article of impeachment to the Senate but McConnell has said it won't be taken up before the 19th, and as we know, Biden's inauguration is on the 20th. There's also the business of confirming Biden's cabinet nominations.
As for the chances of obtaining a conviction in the Senate, unlike the previous impeachment where nearly all Republicans had come out and declared their intentions not to convict, it's pretty murky this time. While a number, including McConnell himself, have indicated they feel Trump may have committed an impeachable offense, none have actually come out and said that they support a conviction. Everyone is keeping their cards close to their vest. Plus there is a Dem Senator, Manchin of WV, that said he doesn't support impeachment.
Just a rough count of possible affirmative R votes would include Thune, Sasse, Murkowski, Collins, Cotton, Toomey, Romney, and McConnell. They would need 9 or 10 more, depending on how Machin votes, about 1/3 of the Republican delegation. IMO if McConnell comes out for conviction, it would provide cover for other R's that may want Trump purged from the party.
So, whether we like it or not, Trump is going to dominate the news for a period of time after the inauguration. My opinion is that impeachment is the quickest and most effective way to render Trump irrelevant and the only way to insure that he doesn't run again in 2024.
Hawktawk wrote:No sympathy for Newhouse. The fearful cries of his lifelong constituent don't matter. It took an attack on his workplace trying to intimidate him into not certifying an election to wake him up.
Hawktawk wrote:Mr Newhouse along with every member of the house and all but one senator in his party voted to acquit DJT. This after he had committed treasonous actions trying to manipulate a foreign country to destroy a political opponent using 500 million in congressionally approved lethal aid as the carrot/stick.Newhouse used social media to defend Trump and I never heard a peep out of him regarding this stop the steal BS until Jan 4 and that's 2 months after Biden won. zero credit.
McMorris Rodgers makes me physically ill, what a snake. Ran away from trump like a track star, didn't even mention him in one ad and now that the fascist skinheads have elected her she's back on the Trump train. She can burn in hell.
RiverDog wrote:Newhouse's vote to certify the election and having had the courage to have been in a group of less than 5% of the members in his party that voted for impeachment deserves zero credit? And a law abiding citizen, the elected representative of over half a million people, and mother of 3 young children can go burn in hell?
I realize that we all come in here to blow off steam and at times we might say things that we may not truly mean, but if this type of unforgiving, uncompromising, and hateful attitude is in any way typical of how the two sides feel about each other, then we truly are in deep trouble and may be heading for a civil war.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I would say Hawktawk does not represent the middle of any party. He's mildly extreme on any side he is on. He picks a side and goes hard. Even when he was Republican, he was hardcore on the Republican side. When he hates Trump, he really hates Trump and anyone on Trump's side.
I'm sure our elected people will act more sensibly, at least most of them.
RiverDog wrote:I wasn't necessarily calling out Hawktalk and I didn't mean to sound condescending. My point is that I don't think that he is alone, that there's way too many individuals on both sides of the issue that all too often cross over the boundary of an acceptable dialog between people with different POV's, and not in a more or less private forum amongst a handful of friends like we are here.
NorthHawk wrote:I think the pandemic is a part of the issue, but I also think people were a lot like this prior to the impact of the virus but the virus just added some to it. The fealty and cult like following for DT was well established before 2020 and didn’t just appear after the virus spread.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I would say Hawktawk does not represent the middle of any party. He's mildly extreme on any side he is on. He picks a side and goes hard. Even when he was Republican, he was hardcore on the Republican side. When he hates Trump, he really hates Trump and anyone on Trump's side.
I'm sure our elected people will act more sensibly, at least most of them.
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