A lot of this pete hate comes from...

[LTH]

A lot of this hate for Pete comes from Joe Fann. Here is a guy who got fired from the 49ers for writing negative stuff and now he is polluting our media.

Just as an example, joe wrote and I'm paraphrasing, Carroll is at the low point in his career .Then Joe was talking about how Carroll was a micromanager because of the 4-1 call he questioned Schotty on.
So if you're reading this as a fan, you walk away thinking Carroll is a Micromanager that is at the low point in his career because that is being presented as FACT.

Did Carroll ever talk about the reasons schotty was fired No he did not
Did schotty ever give an interview talking about why he was fired No he did not.
Was Fann sitting in the meetings when it was discussed what they were going to do if they had a 4-1 play call? No he was not..
Was Fann involved in the conversation about what was happening with the 4-1 call with Schotty and Carroll at the game? No he was not.
Does Fann have a source of ANYBODY claiming Carroll is a micromanager? No he does not...well actually he sited a Adam Scheffler tweet, but it said nothing about Carroll being a micromanager it said everything about Carroll and Schotty agree that there is a philosophy difference. but the truth is nobody knows what was said in that meeting.. it could have been 100 things that gave reason for the two to make the split..

So then how does he come to those conclusions? It's not fact, it's opinion and assumption presented as fact. Maybe Carroll is a micromanager but responsible journalism requires a credible source or some kind of proof and Fann writes stuff all the time that has No source and it is irresponsible

If Carroll's low point is a 12-4 season, winning a division title, and his high point is winning the SB I'm not quite sure what point he is trying to make here... you have a guy who in Carroll who is the most successful head coach in Seattle's history with the third most wins among active head coaches and Fann is trying to drag him through mud suggesting that Carroll is at the low point in his career? Gee probably most of the NFL coaches who would LOVE to have Carrolls success.

So when or if you read Joe Fann take what he says with a grain of salt because the guy has an issue with journalistic integrity...


LTH

[trents]

I've never heard of this Joe Fann. Nobody hates Pete Carol. He seems to be a very decent man. We as a fan forum community, however, are down on his coaching decisions at the present time. And it's from what we have seen as those watching the games, not from reading Joe Fann.

[jshawaii22]

We just signed Pete to 3 more years. Evidently upper team management is on-board and so is JS, who signed for 5 years.
Our best years were with Russell on the rookie deal. Maybe it's time again to look for his replacement. GB did and it sure lit a fire under Aaron, whether is was intentional or not.

The question about "do we hate Pete"? ... no, for me, that will never be true. You can't hate someone that got the Seahawks to the Big Game twice with one Ring and no one can ever take that away. It's more about Pete getting the most out of the team and I think we all agree that we've never had a team anywhere near the one at the end of the 2nd SB and I don't see this roster having that opportunity. If Pete can't provide that for us, and we have to wait 3+ years, it's going to be a very long wait. Ask yourself, are Pete (& John) able to get us back up to where 12-4 is closer to the Packers and Chiefs? It sure didn't end that way, more like the Bears. We were 100% healthy to start the Rams game, too.

[Hawktawk]

I guess we will see when the draft rolls around what the strategy is. As for Russ it's hard to say what's up. After decades of mediocre to bad to occasionally decent QB play we landed a guy out of a dream. I've felt as a fan since day one I died and went to heaven watching Russ work his magic year after year. This year looked like Russ's first 50 TD pass year for the first half of the year then.............His stats were middling at best and that was buoyed by a couple of good games in that stretch. That last game vs the Rams -Donald for a half was the worst playoff game of Russ career. so where are we seattle?

The durability and upbeat demeanor are legendary. But ball security and accuracy and decision making were too though. Right now we are down to durability and the demeanor seemed a bit dismissive after an early exit, said the right things I suppose.No suit and tie like old Russ.
BIg Ben sat on the bench and cried.

In my heart I want Russ to be a Hawk for life but we have to deal with reality too. I really hope this new OC can figure it out, Russ can figure it out, Carroll. But I would be thinking about a potential replacement as well.

[RiverDog]

IMO the word "hate" is one of the most misused words in the English language. There are very few people in this world that I actually "hate". I reserve that term for murders and rapists, not head football coaches and certainly not Pete.

I do think that we need to start considering Pete's future, if he's still the right coach that will guide us to the promised land. The team has been treading water for the past 5 seasons. This will be the third OC we've had in the past 4 seasons. He fired his DC two seasons ago and there have been calls for him to fire his current one. At some point, we can't just keep throwing coordinators under the bus and letting Pete escape accepting his responsibility for our failings.

As far as Russell goes, I'm not married to the guy. I do think he's one of the top 10 QB's in the league and given how difficult and expensive it is to find that magical player that can consistently put us in a position to win, I don't think we part company with him yet. He has two years left on his current deal, so I'm of the mind to go into the 2021 season as a sort of referendum on Russell. If he doesn't improve his play from what he showed us in the last half of 2020, then we need to be looking at a possible trade before he hits free agency.

[Hawktawk]

I like that. Make 2021 a referendum on Russ and maybe PC as well. Not wishing my life away but I'm curious to see how its gonna go down. I keep looking at this huge 6 year deal for Schneider. Looks like he's the one that's been given the keys to the castle.

[NorthHawk]

Re: A lot of this pete hate comes from...

...a never changing, almost moribund Offense that Pete likes to use in a league where success is being made by teams with creative and dynamic Offenses.
Along with a Defense that isn't and probably won't be as good as required to make it possible to compete with high powered Offenses and creative OC's.

[trents]

...a never changing, almost moribund Offense that Pete likes to use in a league where success is being made by teams with creative and dynamic Offenses.
Along with a Defense that isn't and probably won't be as good as required to make it possible to compete with high powered Offenses and creative OC's.

NorthHawk, you summed it up nicely.

And we are not likely to be able to land, either through the draft or through FA, a quarterback of the quality that would pose a serious threat to Russ as the "heir apparent" so as to "light a fire under him."

[RiverDog]

And we are not likely to be able to land, either through the draft or through FA, a quarterback of the quality that would pose a serious threat to Russ as the "heir apparent" so as to "light a fire under him."

Agreed. What's more likely is that we bring in an older, experienced QB that could help Russell improve his game while serving as a good insurance policy, someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[Hawktawk]

Agreed. What's more likely is that we bring in an older, experienced QB that could help Russell improve his game while serving as a good insurance policy, someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Interesting thought,Fitzmagic/Fitztragic. Hes microwave offense off the bench. Had he replaced Russ at halftime we might have hung 40 on the rams because Fitz never looks scared, never is afraid to grip and rip.The facemask head turned backwards pass wasn't pretty damn amazing too.

Honestly though RD , Russ's game was top 5 in the league for sure and he was the early frontrunner for MVP.He's been an accurate passer with one of the better deep balls in the league and known for ball security for 9 seasons.
His game declined so sharply the last half of the season it was remarkable. His accuracy was shockingly bad most of the second half.

Not sure any QB can help his game. he's got to do that

[RiverDog]

Agreed. What's more likely is that we bring in an older, experienced QB that could help Russell improve his game while serving as a good insurance policy, someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Interesting thought,Fitzmagic/Fitztragic. Hes microwave offense off the bench. Had he replaced Russ at halftime we might have hung 40 on the rams because Fitz never looks scared, never is afraid to grip and rip.The facemask head turned backwards pass wasn't pretty damn amazing too.

Honestly though RD , Russ's game was top 5 in the league for sure and he was the early frontrunner for MVP.He's been an accurate passer with one of the better deep balls in the league and known for ball security for 9 seasons.
His game declined so sharply the last half of the season it was remarkable. His accuracy was shockingly bad most of the second half.

Not sure any QB can help his game. he's got to do that

Russell might not be the only beneficiary of bringing in an experienced vet like Fitz. If what some have speculated is true, that Pete got into Russell's wheelhouse after having committed a bunch of turnovers and induced Russell's hesitant nature not to take any chances, then perhaps someone like Fitz could get in-between Russell and coach Carroll, stick up for Russell. Fitz is a very heady quarterback, been in the league for a long time, with a whole bunch of teams, by all reports a great teammate and is the type of player that even an accomplished HC like Pete would respect. In Miami, he was extremely supportive of the QB that replaced him, which is why I thought that he might be able to make a similar contribution to the dynamics on our team.

[LTH]

I've never heard of this Joe Fann. Nobody hates Pete Carol. He seems to be a very decent man. We as a fan forum community, however, are down on his coaching decisions at the present time. And it's from what we have seen as those watching the games, not from reading Joe Fann.

It's not my intention to say that the fans on this board hate Pete Carroll or that Pete Carroll should not be criticized by the fans.. However it is my intention to bring forth the fact that Fann reports opinion and assumption as fact and that he does not back up his claims with factual sources in many cases... the reason this is important is because those that read his work take it as fact and are influenced by it, when it is NOT fact in many cases..


LTH

[obiken]

I've never heard of this Joe Fann. Nobody hates Pete Carol. He seems to be a very decent man. We as a fan forum community, however, are down on his coaching decisions at the present time. And it's from what we have seen as those watching the games, not from reading Joe Fann.

I agree, my biggest heartburn with PC is he can't seem to draft Olineman to save his life or RW's.

[TriCitySam]

I agree, my biggest heartburn with PC is he can't seem to draft Olineman to save his life or RW's.

Well, some of our futile OL drafting came from Tom Cable who liked drafting DL guys and converting them. I think they’ve done better recently, although they haven’t spent much draft capital on OL. Phil Haynes was well thought of in camp, but the injury bug has kept him out. Damian Lewis looks like a winner

[obiken]

I agree on Lewis, I know nothing about Phil Haynes TCS. Carpenter, Iffetti, and Gallery, were all bust.

[RiverDog]

I agree on Lewis, I know nothing about Phil Haynes TCS. Carpenter, Iffetti, and Gallery, were all bust.

We didn't draft Robert Gallery. Cable drafted him when he was at the Raiders and signed him here as a FA. But you're right in that the signing was a failure.

On the subject of Cable, I have a friend that was invited to the Seahawks rookie camp as an offensive lineman when Cable was with the Hawks. He played him on the left side even though he'd played on the right side his entire college career. He said that Cable did that with several other linemen. Needless to say, he didn't have a lot of respect for Cable's coaching ability.

[NorthHawk]

Cable did some weird things mostly taking players that played one position in College and having them learn other positions as well as adapt to the speed and power of the NFL, not to mention employing a hybrid zone/man blocking scheme. He also tried it with former DL, too.
We’re all probably for players being able to play different positions in case of emergency but raw rookies have enough to learn without multiplying the learning curve.