NFL top 100 Kap at 81 Stafford at 100

[Anthony]

NFL top 100 Kap at 81 Stafford at 100

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[NorthHawk]

I would have thought they both would have been ranked better than that.

[kalibane]

I'm not surprised. Kaep still has growing to do and Stafford has super sloppy mechanics and fell apart a little bit when Calvin Johnson was out.

[HumanCockroach]

I thought those were pretty fair. I don't feel like Kap "improved" from last season overall, and he landed in the same spot he had the previous year. Until he can read defenses better, I think he'll remain in that range..... lot's of talent, but talent takes you only so far, and who better to understand that, than the players that play against the guy?

[HumanCockroach]

I thought those were pretty fair. I don't feel like Kap "improved" from last season overall, and he landed in the same spot he had the previous year. Until he can read defenses better, I think he'll remain in that range..... lot's of talent, but talent takes you only so far, and who better to understand that, than the players that play against the guy?

[NorthHawk]

The QB is supposed to be the most important position on the team a there are only 32 positions open.
I would have thought a QB like Kap who has gone to the SB and Divisional final would be in about the 60's.
Stafford, in the mid 70's because of his yardage.

[HumanCockroach]

Using that thought process, wouldn't it be 1-32 QB'S and the "less important" players the rest of the list? I completely and totally disagree with the "QB is the most important" media driven force fed opinion on that. QB is indeed important, but on a team of 53, he isn't necessarily the "most important" just because ESPN and the NFL Network say so. I would venture a guess that there are plenty of "most important" players floating around the NFL currently, and throughout history, that didn't play the position.

The players aren't skewing their voting towards the positions, they are voting on the players they see as the best in the league, regardless of position, hence you have QB's sprinkled in, not all 32 sitting at the top of the list.

[NorthHawk]

Using that thought process, wouldn't it be 1-32 QB'S and the "less important" players the rest of the list? I completely and totally disagree with the "QB is the most important" media driven force fed opinion on that. QB is indeed important, but on a team of 53, he isn't necessarily the "most important" just because ESPN and the NFL Network say so. I would venture a guess that there are plenty of "most important" players floating around the NFL currently, and throughout history, that didn't play the position.

The players aren't skewing their voting towards the positions, they are voting on the players they see as the best in the league, regardless of position, hence you have QB's sprinkled in, not all 32 sitting at the top of the list.

Not at all. Gabbert was a starter at one point and I doubt he'd be in the top 200.
How many QBs make it to the Super Bowl and the Division Finals in consecutive years?
How many QBs put up the yardage Stafford has?

Regardless of their supporting casts not many other QBs have accomplished that.

[HumanCockroach]

Using that thought process, wouldn't it be 1-32 QB'S and the "less important" players the rest of the list? I completely and totally disagree with the "QB is the most important" media driven force fed opinion on that. QB is indeed important, but on a team of 53, he isn't necessarily the "most important" just because ESPN and the NFL Network say so. I would venture a guess that there are plenty of "most important" players floating around the NFL currently, and throughout history, that didn't play the position.

The players aren't skewing their voting towards the positions, they are voting on the players they see as the best in the league, regardless of position, hence you have QB's sprinkled in, not all 32 sitting at the top of the list.

Not at all. Gabbert was a starter at one point and I doubt he'd be in the top 200.
How many QBs make it to the Super Bowl and the Division Finals in consecutive years?
How many QBs put up the yardage Stafford has?

Regardless of their supporting casts not many other QBs have accomplished that.

Sorry, simply don't adhere to the thought process that a QB with obvious flaws should be judged higher based on where his team finishes a season. As I didn't with the thought that Dilfer automatically was a better QB than say Stafford or RPromo, or a Brad Johnson was automatically an improvement over Kelly because they "won" a SB. I remain unchanged in my opinion that Wilson, Manning,Aiken,Montana or whichever name you want to insert didn't "win" anything without the players around them making numerous plays, and so, I simply don't adhere to the QB 'is the most important" player statement. Simply isn't going to change for me. If a DL plays his position better than a QB that plays his, is ranked higher, I rank him higher.

all of that ties into my thoughts on players performance, based on position, or draft number, or pay, or endorsement deals, or highlights on sports center doesn't in anyway sway my opinion of them. The media doesn't change that one bit, no matter how often I see a Kap highlight on ESPN, or his beats commercial, I know what I saw of him, and ranking him higher because of what his TEAM accomplished isn't something I am going to do, I'm not ranking Wilson Number one either, nor would it have been right to rank Flacco number one the year before ( though he accomplished the SAME exact task you seem to be determined to do for KKaepernik ) after falling to NE in the championship game ( on a missed FG and dropped TD pass) and followed that up with a SB win OVER Kaepernik. I wouldn't rank him in the top 60 after that, why in the world would I expect Kaepernick there? I wouldn't, and so I don't. Kaepernick was ranked 81 last season, didn't really improve and ranked at the same spot this season, just don't see that as inaccurate.

[NorthHawk]

There are 2 players on Offense teams have to stop when going against the 49ers. Kap and Gore.
If you stymie Kap, you can stop their Offense dead.
If you stop Gore, Kap can still kill you with his legs and arm.
On one of the top teams in the NFL, to me that makes him better than 81.

[HumanCockroach]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

[Anthony]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

So I agree with Kaps ranking. While I do agree he can do some stuff and even if Gore is not doing well, make stuff happen, the problem is with Kap is he giveth and e taketh away when it counts most. He is just to inconsistent, and while he as the running part of QB down, the throwing and scrambling part he does not have down.

Now as to the whole QB is the most important position of course it is it is a fact. However this list is not about the 100 most important players, but the 100 best players. Just because you are playing QB does not mean you are the best player. Not everyone has a franchise QB and not all Franchise QB are equal, and some who think they are franchise QB are not.

[Futureite]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

So I agree with Kaps ranking. While I do agree he can doo me stuff and even if Gore is not doing well, make stuff happen, the problem is with Kap is he giveth and e taketh away when it counts most. He is just to inconsistent, and while he as the running part of QB down, the throwing and scrambling part he does not have down.

Now as to the whole QB is the most important position of course it is it is a fact. However this list is not about the 100 most important players, but the 100 best players. Just because you are playing QB does not mean you are the best player. Not everyone has a franchise QB and not all Franchise QB are equal, and some who think they are franchise QB are not.

He has a career 93.8 QB rating and has thrown 15 ints in 30 starts. He hsd 6 come from behind 4th qtr victories, includung 2 in the playoffs. He fid struggle when he lost all 5 of the targets he had thrown to the yr prior - and he has work to do to get better - but he is plenty consistent and reliable. I won't argue the 82 rank though, because players see what they see. They would know better than I. Seems like a fair rating.

The real question is, do you agree with Russell Wilson ranked at 51. He has had a QB rating above 100 each of his first 2 seasons and a SB ring. On paper one would see those numbers at the QB position and believe that is a top 10 or at least top 20 player. I would think on your own site that would be the main topic, and what he needs to improve upon (that is not sarcasm or condescention).

[NorthHawk]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

The problem with these types of polls is players don't play every team. If a team doesn't make the playoffs, they only play 13 different teams out of 31 others.
That small subset doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence every player is being evaluated equally and reputation might be a big factor.

I thought I heard that there were 13 QBs listed in the top 100 so that would mean there are 11 better than Kaepernick.
I'm not sure I can name the other 11 that would be significantly better - but I haven't seen the rest of the list. Maybe there is a cluster just below his ranking.

[kalibane]

Don't have a problem with Wilson's ranking. I'm willing to bet there will be some people above him I don't agree with but whatever. There are a couple of reasons why I wouldn't expect Wilson (or Kaep) for that matter to be rated higher, considering the players are the ones voting.

1. Young players are not going to be seen by veterans to have paid their dues necessarily. I bet there are guys out there who voted Eli Manning above Russell Wilson and Kaep (which is absurd after last year) but Manning is a respected vet with two rings and Wilson and Kaep are snot nosed punks. But if they continue on their current trajectories they'll rise up the ranks fairly quickly now that they have earned their stripes.

2. It's a popularity contest more than anything. The dirty little secret about these things is that most of the players voting haven't even seen the guys they are rating on film. All the voting is going to be biased based on who people play with and who they played against/prepared to play against. And if people just flat out don't like you they probably won't vote for you. The way this was done was players were told to rate their top 20 players. When you take into account, likability, how many Panthers do you think put Kaep in their top 20. How many 49ers do you think put Sherman in their top 20?

I can't be bothered to be upset about this stuff.

[Anthony]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

So I agree with Kaps ranking. While I do agree he can doo me stuff and even if Gore is not doing well, make stuff happen, the problem is with Kap is he giveth and e taketh away when it counts most. He is just to inconsistent, and while he as the running part of QB down, the throwing and scrambling part he does not have down.

Now as to the whole QB is the most important position of course it is it is a fact. However this list is not about the 100 most important players, but the 100 best players. Just because you are playing QB does not mean you are the best player. Not everyone has a franchise QB and not all Franchise QB are equal, and some who think they are franchise QB are not.

He has a career 93.8 QB rating and has thrown 15 ints in 30 starts. He hsd 6 come from behind 4th qtr victories, includung 2 in the playoffs. He fid struggle when he lost all 5 of the targets he had thrown to the yr prior - and he has work to do to get better - but he is plenty consistent and reliable. I won't argue the 82 rank though, because players see what they see. They would know better than I. Seems like a fair rating.

The real question is, do you agree with Russell Wilson ranked at 51. He has had a QB rating above 100 each of his first 2 seasons and a SB ring. On paper one would see those numbers at the QB position and believe that is a top 10 or at least top 20 player. I would think on your own site that would be the main topic, and what he needs to improve upon (that is not sarcasm or condescention).

As to Wilson Well for one since we do not know what he is ranked for 2014 as so far we are only at 81, I will have to wait and see. If he is 51 it would depend how many QBs are ahead of him and what kind of years they had. But again since they have only shown us up to 81 we do not know. I doubt he is 51 that said even if he was 51 it is still higher than Kap.

As to Kap it is great he has a career QB rating but this was by the players based on last season so his Career QB rating means little. Last year he has a QB rating of 91.6 which is good, but he had a complt % of 58 which is not good. In fact almost all of his stats went down form the year before. You mention comebacks that's great he has 6, but how many were last year near as I can say it was 3. So he had 3 last year, Wilson had 4 in the regular season plus one in the playoffs sending his team to the SB over SF for a total of 5. Now your excuses correct me if I am wrong but he did have Bolden and Davis, so he did not loose all of his targets. And how does him loosing a target or 2 balance when Wilson lost 3/5 of his o-line for most of the year, his top 2 WR for pretty much the whole year, his top TE for part of the year. Yet Wilson had a great year. As to his "comebacks" great, though I am not sure I agree with you, but that does not change the fact the he is inconsistent, hence the 58% complt %. Like I said for me Kap is great at the running, but needs to improve on the passing, scrambling part of being a QB.

[Anthony]

It can be whatever you want it to be for you, obviously the guys playing against him, that study him, and have to stop him don't agree with you, I don't agree with you, I can live with that.

Just haven't seen anything that makes me go "oh no" we have to stop Kap, in fact to this point it's the exact OPPOSITE of that for me....

The problem with these types of polls is players don't play every team. If a team doesn't make the playoffs, they only play 13 different teams out of 31 others.
That small subset doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence every player is being evaluated equally and reputation might be a big factor.

I thought I heard that there were 13 QBs listed in the top 100 so that would mean there are 11 better than Kaepernick.
I'm not sure I can name the other 11 that would be significantly better - but I haven't seen the rest of the list. Maybe there is a cluster just below his ranking.

well its based on how they played in 2013 so lets think about it

Brady, Brees, Rodgers, P Manning, Rw, Luck, Foles, Rivers


There are 8 at least and I am sure I am missing a couple so 12 is about right.

[Futureite]

Anthony;

I was not comparing Wilson to Kap. I cited the stats to state that overall, Kap has been consistent. I bring up the loss of 5 targets because that obviously has an effect on any QB's level of play. Windows in the NFL are small. QBs throw to spots rather than wide open receivers. That is tough to do when you are throwing to an entirely new set of guys. You don't know exactly where they will be and what their strengths are. Boldin was not on the team in 2012.

Kaep has a lot of work to do to get better. I am curious to see how he plays this yr wirh the same wrs he ended last yr with and Johnson. It will tell a lot about the type of QB he is or is not.

I thought I saw RW was 51, but maybe I am wrong. Was rhat his rating last yr? The Google search that I did brought a video with the same background as Kaep's. The caption underneath said RW was rated 51.

[Zorn76]

These player rankings coming from the players themselves are good trivia, but that's about it.

[HumanCockroach]

My guess for the other four would be Romo,Newton,RGIII, and Rothlisberger. I don't know if I would put RGIII and Newton above Kap but I expect them to be, Romo is an iffy thing for me as well, but if stats matter as much as many want to make them seem, he's hands down better ( though I wouldn't want him making the last pass of my teams season even less than I would want Kap throwing a fade) but Rothlisberger will definitely be above him, and should be, as well as those mentioned.

[Anthony]

Anthony;

I was not comparing Wilson to Kap. I cited the stats to state that overall, Kap has been consistent. I bring up the loss of 5 targets because that obviously has an effect on any QB's level of play. Windows in the NFL are small. QBs throw to spots rather than wide open receivers. That is tough to do when you are throwing to an entirely new set of guys. You don't know exactly where they will be and what their strengths are. Boldin was not on the team in 2012.

Kaep has a lot of work to do to get better. I am curious to see how he plays this yr wirh the same wrs he ended last yr with and Johnson. It will tell a lot about the type of QB he is or is not.

I thought I saw RW was 51, but maybe I am wrong. Was rhat his rating last yr? The Google search that I did brought a video with the same background as Kaep's. The caption underneath said RW was rated 51.

You brign up the loss but act like he is the only one to loose targets, or o-line. RW did also and yet be performed well, as has others its an excuse period. IT does have some considering but not enough. Okay Bolden was not on the team in 2012, so what, Kap gets a free pass because training camp was not enough to get on the same sheet of music with his WR. I guess he should have held his own camp like RW does. I suppose Foles has an excuse to he was not the starter all season and did not get all the reps and yet he performed well. I mean then the year before when he performed well should not count he was not the starter did not get a lot of reps, yes you and I both know you count it. Maybe that is the issue when Kap does not get every advantage he cannot perform like All of KAps numbers were down period hence his low grade. They are about to announce the next set which will be to 71 on Wends so no they have not done 51 that was last year.

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony;

I was not comparing Wilson to Kap. I cited the stats to state that overall, Kap has been consistent. I bring up the loss of 5 targets because that obviously has an effect on any QB's level of play. Windows in the NFL are small. QBs throw to spots rather than wide open receivers. That is tough to do when you are throwing to an entirely new set of guys. You don't know exactly where they will be and what their strengths are. Boldin was not on the team in 2012.

Kaep has a lot of work to do to get better. I am curious to see how he plays this yr wirh the same wrs he ended last yr with and Johnson. It will tell a lot about the type of QB he is or is not.

I thought I saw RW was 51, but maybe I am wrong. Was rhat his rating last yr? The Google search that I did brought a video with the same background as Kaep's. The caption underneath said RW was rated 51.

You brign up the loss but act like he is the only one to loose targets, or o-line. RW did also and yet be performed well, as has others its an excuse period. IT does have some considering but not enough. Okay Bolden was not on the team in 2012, so what, Kap gets a free pass because training camp was not enough to get on the same sheet of music with his WR. I guess he should have held his own camp like RW does. I suppose Foles has an excuse to he was not the starter all season and did not get all the reps and yet he performed well. I mean then the year before when he performed well should not count he was not the starter did not get a lot of reps, yes you and I both know you count it. Maybe that is the issue when Kap does not get every advantage he cannot perform like All of KAps numbers were down period hence his low grade. They are about to announce the next set which will be to 71 on Wends so no they have not done 51 that was last year.

Wilson will be moving up, I guarantee it. Players appreciate clutch performances or plays, and Wilson had some big moments that will propel him. Like I said, I think Kap is currently on par with some guys that will rank ahead of him, but ultimately, the "tip" whether guys like Future like it or not, will be the "signature" play for Kap 2013 season, that one play may have driven his stock lower, or it might be him doing the same thing the season before in the SB plus that one play, it's subjective certainly, but the decision and actions during that play keeps him from moving up ( added to the fact that he performed worse passing wise than ALL of the QB's on the list, at least yardage wise).

[NorthHawk]

Then Romo can't be on the list. He has a litany of plays where he's choked.

[HumanCockroach]

He IS on the list, you can figure out who is on the list based on the "fan voting" via the NFL Network, hasn't been a single player that is a choice that hasn't made the list. That said , as I posted, I am iffy on him being above Kap, BECAUSE of those plays, but last I checked, Romo's flubs haven't occurred in the SB or the NFC Championship game to win or lose it, have they? At the very least, at least Romo's numbers validate his inclusion, Kap sorry to say really doesn't. I'm not telling you that is the order I would rank those QB's, just the TWELVE QB's that will rank above Kap ( which is the. That Anthony listed, plus the four I Listed. I think a "decent" case can be made for all twelve, wouldn't you? Whether personally you agree with the rankings, a case can indeed be made for ALL of them to be ranked above Kap, and as such, there is a realistic possibility that all 12 would be, which they were).

Hell, personally it chapped my hide that RGIII AND Luck were ranked so much higher than Wilson last season, but I could ACCEPT it, and I would guess, that I will have to ACCEPT this season that Wilson again gets ranked below the human turnover machine in Indy once again. The players are human, and will indeed be swayed by the media's love affair with him ( though I would guess he leap frogs Griffin do to his injury)....

[Anthony]

He IS on the list, you can figure out who is on the list based on the "fan voting" via the NFL Network, hasn't been a single player that is a choice that hasn't made the list. That said , as I posted, I am iffy on him being above Kap, BECAUSE of those plays, but last I checked, Romo's flubs haven't occurred in the SB or the NFC Championship game to win or lose it, have they? At the very least, at least Romo's numbers validate his inclusion, Kap sorry to say really doesn't. I'm not telling you that is the order I would rank those QB's, just the TWELVE QB's that will rank above Kap ( which is the. That Anthony listed, plus the four I Listed. I think a "decent" case can be made for all twelve, wouldn't you? Whether personally you agree with the rankings, a case can indeed be made for ALL of them to be ranked above Kap, and as such, there is a realistic possibility that all 12 would be, which they were).

Hell, personally it chapped my hide that RGIII AND Luck were ranked so much higher than Wilson last season, but I could ACCEPT it, and I would guess, that I will have to ACCEPT this season that Wilson again gets ranked below the human turnover machine in Indy once again. The players are human, and will indeed be swayed by the media's love affair with him ( though I would guess he leap frogs Griffin do to his injury)....

I agree except being as how there were 13 QBs ob the list and Stafford is ranked below Kap that means there are only 11 ahead of Kap and I can agree a great case can be made for all 11, The ones I listed: Brady, Brees, Rodgers, P Manning, Rw, Luck, Foles, Rivers are no doubt a head of Kap the other 4 are debatable. We will see how they play out. Given Rodgers and Foles did not start the whole season it will be interesting, The other 4 will most likely be; Rothlisberger, and then 3 of the following; Newton, Ryan, Romo, Dalton, of course those choices are based on stats, and a long shot in case the voters do not know what year it is, is E. Manning.

[HumanCockroach]

Completely forgot about Ryan, so maybe you're right and he replaces Romo ( I guess I can't say definitely, though Romo was an option I was given, while Ryan was not, but they always pander to the "ah ha" moment with some inclusion or exclusion, Romo was it last season as well). Not sure which it will be, but I am fairly confident the others listed are spot on ( the original 8 with RGIIINewton Rothlisberger) Hell I suppose someone could throw Flacco into the mix as well with Eli as well if they weren't paying real close attention....

with the exception of those last two, I think a fairly strong case can be made for their rankings above Kap.

[Anthony]

Completely forgot about Ryan, so maybe you're right and he replaces Romo ( I guess I can't say definitely, though Romo was an option I was given, while Ryan was not, but they always pander to the "ah ha" moment with some inclusion or exclusion, Romo was it last season as well). Not sure which it will be, but I am fairly confident the others listed are spot on ( the original 8 with RGIIINewton Rothlisberger) Hell I suppose someone could throw Flacco into the mix as well with Eli as well if they weren't paying real close attention....

with the exception of those last two, I think a fairly strong case can be made for their rankings above Kap.

It will be interesting to see, like I said I think Kap is right were he belongs so far.